Talks With Taliban Hopeful

[Jeoloba]

I find it so laughable that we funded the Taliban to fight the U.S.S.R because we feared Communism in Afghanistan. We are fighting an Enemy we created.

[Al Mumtahanah]

America has a track record of doing that repeatedly, there is nothing to suggest the Taliban would lie.

They're murderers and rapists who terrorize women and young girls. I hope they get chased right through the gates of hell.

While the U.S. protects the practice of bacha bazi from them....

[Estanglia]

There can be no useful talk with an idealogue, and the Taliban are idealogues, their cause is all that matters, they will lie if they believe it will help their cause.

America has a track record of doing that repeatedly, there is nothing to suggest the Taliban would lie.

Except that they're a terror group with a history of attacking civilians to get their means.

What is gonna stop them from continuing if the US and any other foreign country with troops stationed there pull out? Words on a piece of paper?

[Senkaku]

Pretty meaningless. The statement literally says "war continues." You know what happens in war? Civilians get killed, especially when one side's primary means of striking back at the other is asymmetrical methods like terrorist bombings. Call me when they're dead or surrendered.

"We totally swear we won't beat little girls anymore! Pinky swear!"

Not even that, but like-- one of the Taliban's best tools, for example, is executing major bombings in Kabul or whatever to erode confidence in the government, frighten people, and eventually paralyze society in government-controlled regions. I don't know why they'd suddenly phone it in, or why the US would stop droning suspected militant sites, even though every now and then we toast some innocent people, since it's a working strategy.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That is probably how many Taliban feel about this.

One side lets women read books, the other side doesn't. I'm pretty sure which side are the baddies in this conflict.

This ^^

[Al Mumtahanah]

I find it so laughable that we funded the Taliban to fight the U.S.S.R because we feared Communism in Afghanistan. We are fighting an Enemy we created.

Yes funding a group violently opposed to foreign occupation is probably a bad idea if you plan to occupy their country but the U.S. did not have such plans yet.

[Scomagia]

They're murderers and rapists who terrorize women and young girls. I hope they get chased right through the gates of hell.

While the U.S. protects the practice of bacha bazi from them....

That's called whataboutism. What the US does or does not do doesn't absolve the Taliban of its crimes. We can talk about the US's crimes but first, we're talking about the Taliban, a group of worthless murderers that needs to be dismantled permanently.

[Estanglia]

They're murderers and rapists who terrorize women and young girls. I hope they get chased right through the gates of hell.

While the U.S. protects the practice of bacha bazi from them....

Sounds like whataboutism.

The evils of one group doesn't justify the evils of another.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The only talks with the Taliban that I support are the ones concerning their immediate destruction. Groups like them are nothing but a force for pure evil in the world.

[Scomagia]

"We totally swear we won't beat little girls anymore! Pinky swear!"

Not even that, but like-- one of the Taliban's best tools, for example, is executing major bombings in Kabul or whatever to erode confidence in the government, frighten people, and eventually paralyze society in government-controlled regions. I don't know why they'd suddenly phone it in, or why the US would stop droning suspected militant sites, even though every now and then we toast some innocent people, since it's a working strategy.

Yeah. Fuck the Taliban and their promises. It's a load of shit. They should be hounded for the rest of their days, fearful that any minute they'll catch a missile up their asses.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I find it so laughable that we funded the Taliban to fight the U.S.S.R because we feared Communism in Afghanistan. We are fighting an Enemy we created.

We certainly need to reform our foreign policy, as we fund groups like that today.

[Al Mumtahanah]

America has a track record of doing that repeatedly, there is nothing to suggest the Taliban would lie.

Except that they're a terror group with a history of attacking civilians to get their means.

What is gonna stop them from continuing if the US and any other foreign country with troops stationed there pull out? Words on a piece of paper?

The Taliban killed suspected adult male partisans during a civil war as was common in Western civil wars. The U.S. by contrast has indiscriminately killed many, many women and children.

[Ethel mermania]

What goal posts have I shifted?

Went from terrorism to women's rights.

Shooting a woman in the head for going to school is terrorism.

[Estanglia]

Except that they're a terror group with a history of attacking civilians to get their means.

What is gonna stop them from continuing if the US and any other foreign country with troops stationed there pull out? Words on a piece of paper?

The Taliban killed suspected adult male partisans during a civil war as was common in Western civil wars. The U.S. by contrast has indiscriminately killed many, many women in children.

Conveniently ignoring all the shit the Taliban has done to innocents.

And again, the evils of one group do not justify the evils of another group. Stop with the whataboutism.

[Imperial-Octavia]

If they want to be rule like the dark ages. I see no issue with this. Let them govern, how they please. Provided they remain within there own borders. Otherwise, the world shall move forwards.

[Mzeusia]

There have of course been successful(ish) talks with terrorist organisations in the past, but I'm not hopeful.

[Scomagia]

Except that they're a terror group with a history of attacking civilians to get their means.

What is gonna stop them from continuing if the US and any other foreign country with troops stationed there pull out? Words on a piece of paper?

The Taliban killed suspected adult male partisans during a civil war as was common in Western civil wars. The U.S. by contrast has indiscriminately killed many, many women in children.

No one cares about your bullshit terrorism apologetics and whataboutism. The Taliban murders civilians on purpose and beats women and little girls. No amount of obfuscation on your part can hide what they are.

[Khataiy]

The Taliban and Afghan government are the same, the only difference is that the Taliban's current Mullah and his predecessors are Iranian agents. But otherwise the Afghan government and Taliban are essentially the same, they have the same history and background. The US didn't invade Afghanistan over human rights it invaded Afghanistan because they didn't hand over Bin Laden, the US never declared the Taliban a terrorist organization either (unlike in Iraq where the Baath party was declared a terrorist organization). All that stuff about women's rights and so on came after the fact to win over public support for the war against the barbaric Taliban, so that if anyone disagrees it means you endorse human rights violations. This is the simple fact, just like how the US didn't declare war on Nazi Germany despite the holocaust and other claims of human rights violations and so on, it was Germany that declared war on the US, and had Japan not attacked pearl harbor the US and Nazi Germany likely would have never gone to war.

The former Northern Alliance is full of pedophiles, drug dealers and mass murderers too and they today make up the Afghan government, the Taliban are drug dealers and work with Iran, the only thing that they had that the NA didn't have was their harsh stance on Bacha Bazi where Afghan warlords literally kidnapped little boys, dressed them up like girls and raped them, and the Taliban was known for their harshness on this which got them a lot of public support, aside from that the Taliban is no different at all.

The Taliban should surrender and join the Afghan National Army like Hezb-e-Islami and should be obligated by the US to sever all relations with Iran.

[Ethel mermania]

I find it so laughable that we funded the Taliban to fight the U.S.S.R because we feared Communism in Afghanistan. We are fighting an Enemy we created.

Part of the reason the soviet union disintegrated was the cost of their war in afganistan, so it worked.

[Senkaku]

Except that they're a terror group with a history of attacking civilians to get their means.

What is gonna stop them from continuing if the US and any other foreign country with troops stationed there pull out? Words on a piece of paper?

The Taliban killed suspected adult male partisans during a civil war as was common in Western civil wars.

The U.S. by contrast has indiscriminately killed many, many women and children.

Two days ago a Taliban car bomb in Ghazni ostensibly aimed at an intelligence service office also nailed a bunch of kids in the high school right across the street from it. That's within the last two days that they've indiscriminately killed and maimed civilians, especially many children. The further back you go, the more carnage you'll find.

The Taliban kills far more indiscriminately than a few well-placed Hellfires ever would.

[Khataiy]

I find it so laughable that we funded the Taliban to fight the U.S.S.R because we feared Communism in Afghanistan. We are fighting an Enemy we created.

The Taliban didn't exist when the Soviets were in Afghanistan

[Al Mumtahanah]

While the U.S. protects the practice of bacha bazi from them....

Sounds like whataboutism.

The evils of one group doesn't justify the evils of another.

More people died of drug use the United States last year than all the Americans who.died in the whole Vietnam War, this isn't even looking cartel killings. The Taliban stopped 99% of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, the basis of 3/4 of the world's heroin supply. In less then a year of their doing that the U.S. decided to invade and topple them, a decision reached September 10, 2001. Decrying the Taliban as untrustworthy is faulty when their opppsition here is far lees trustworthy.

[Risottia]

And we should believe the promises of these vermin why?

Because America couldn't vanquish them and because Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are key allies of America against Iran.

[Estanglia]

Sounds like whataboutism.

The evils of one group doesn't justify the evils of another.

More people died of drug use the United States last year than all the Americans who.died in the whole Vietnam War, this isn't even looking cartel killings. The Taliban stopped 99% of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, the basis of 3/4 of the world's heroin supply. In less then a year of their doing that the U.S. decided to invade and topple them, a decision reached September 10, 2001. Decrying the Taliban as untrustworthy is faulty when their opppsition here is far lees trustworthy.

Again, whataboutism.

[Al Mumtahanah]

I find it so laughable that we funded the Taliban to fight the U.S.S.R because we feared Communism in Afghanistan. We are fighting an Enemy we created.

The Taliban didn't exist when the Soviets were in Afghanistan

In fact the Taliban ended up fighting people the CIA had funded.