Talks With Taliban Hopeful

[Union of Sovereign States and Republics]

I trust the Taliban as far as I can throw them. Would be better if we just got rid of them instead of negotiating with children killing, women beating, drug pushing, radical jihadist, ultranationalist rapists.

[Inkopolitia]

I trust the Taliban as far as I can throw them. Would be better if we just got rid of them instead of negotiating with children killing, women beating, drug pushing, radical jihadist, ultranationalist rapists.

This. I don't think that rapist, sexist, misogynist and murderous individuals deserve any sort of respeect.

[Rojava Free State]

I trust the Taliban as far as I can throw them. Would be better if we just got rid of them instead of negotiating with children killing, women beating, drug pushing, radical jihadist, ultranationalist rapists.

This. I don't think that rapist, sexist, misogynist and murderous individuals deserve any sort of respeect.

The only good Taliban is a dead one. Unfortunately we don't fight wars like we used to and Afghanistan is very difficult to win a war in. They call it the graveyard of empires. It honestly makes sense we lost considering the nation we were fighting in

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Why are we negotiating with the genocidal insane fuck sticks known as the Taliban in the first place?

Disband the organization, get all former members rehabilitated, set up a republic.
Said republic will have church and state separated and abolish the death penalty.

[Novus America]

I trust the Taliban as far as I can throw them. Would be better if we just got rid of them instead of negotiating with children killing, women beating, drug pushing, radical jihadist, ultranationalist rapists.

Well I agree we should have done that, we are too soft and too lenient unfortunately.

[Novus America]

This. I don't think that rapist, sexist, misogynist and murderous individuals deserve any sort of respeect.

The only good Taliban is a dead one. Unfortunately we don't fight wars like we used to and Afghanistan is very difficult to win a war in. They call it the graveyard of empires. It honestly makes sense we lost considering the nation we were fighting in

That is the problem. We do not have the guts to do what is needed to get rid of the Taliban.

[Novus America]

Why are we negotiating with the genocidal insane fuck sticks known as the Taliban in the first place?

Disband the organization, get all former members rehabilitated, set up a republic.
Said republic will have church and state separated and abolish the death penalty.

Well we did set up a republic. Problem is we gave it too much latitude to mess up.
And the death penalty would absolutely be needed as a punishment for those associated with the Taliban.

[Bluelight-R006]

The only good Taliban is a dead one. Unfortunately we don't fight wars like we used to and Afghanistan is very difficult to win a war in. They call it the graveyard of empires. It honestly makes sense we lost considering the nation we were fighting in

That is the problem. We do not have the guts to do what is needed to get rid of the Taliban.

Its more depressing we have the guts to talk peace with them.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Why are we negotiating with the genocidal insane fuck sticks known as the Taliban in the first place?

Disband the organization, get all former members rehabilitated, set up a republic.
Said republic will have church and state separated and abolish the death penalty.

Well we did set up a republic. Problem is we gave it too much latitude to mess up.

No, the republic was made with just some random idiot leading it.

There should have been someone who knew what they were doing to lead that republic as well as millions if not billions in investment to upgrade and train local police.

That and billions in spending in infrastructure (ie schools, internet, power plants, roads, ect).

Also to get rid of the backwards thinking that exists there would take generations.

It would be a long process, but well worth it.

Sadly, this didn't really happen when that idiot was incharge. There was realy no plan outside of "Defeat the Taliban, make republic, go home and let them fix it with no outside help".

[Takiran]

They were heavily responsible. They fully sponsored, sheltered and supported Al Qaeda.
They were not solely responsible but absolutely were responsible.

Indirectly, perhaps...They certainly didn't carry it out, they just refused to hand over Bin laden, and they were sheltering him as a guest, if I'm not mistaken.

They didn't refuse to hand him over, they offered to hand him over through Pakistan, but also asked for proof that he was connected to the September 11 attacks, however instead of simple proof showing that he was behind them they instead were given an invasion.

[Novus America]

Well we did set up a republic. Problem is we gave it too much latitude to mess up.

No, the republic was made with just some random idiot leading it.

There should have been someone who knew what they were doing to lead that republic as well as millions if not billions in investment to upgrade and train local police.

That and billions in spending in infrastructure (ie schools, internet, power plants, roads, ect).

Also to get rid of the backwards thinking that exists there would take generations.

It would be a long process, but well worth it.

Sadly, this didn't really happen when that idiot was incharge. There was realy no plan outside of "Defeat the Taliban, make republic, go home and let them fix it with no outside help".

Oh I agree there. We should have provided much better oversight than telling them to just set it up and run it on their own.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And the death penalty would absolutely be needed as a punishment for those associated with the Taliban.

No.

Once the war is over, we don't need to execute them.

Imprison the leaders at the top for the rest of there life, yes.

Some random asshole who joined the Taliban as a solder, no instead just reform them.

That and the new government should lead an example to the people of "No matter how horrific there crime is, killing is not an option."

Hopefully that would start slowly stop the killings of gay people in the middle east done by vigilanties.

[Khataiy]

This thread went down hill quick to a circle of people chanting "Force them to westernize! It is our not God (cuz we are secularist) given duty to do so!" What's even more ironic is none of these people are even Afghan, Muslim, likely ever been to Afghanistan and ignore a lot of major and crucial facts, along with this general Superiority Complex of what you could call a modern day white man's burden of rescuing poor Muslim countries from their own culture and religion because "We know best for everyone" thousands of unneeded deaths later and billions of dollars down the drain, just to show how superior and wonderful western liberal democracy is.

[Novus America]

Indirectly, perhaps...They certainly didn't carry it out, they just refused to hand over Bin laden, and they were sheltering him as a guest, if I'm not mistaken.

They didn't refuse to hand him over, they offered to hand him over through Pakistan, but also asked for proof that he was connected to the September 11 attacks, however instead of simple proof showing that he was behind them they instead were given an invasion.

“However, on the same day the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan said: "We will neither surrender Osama bin Laden nor ask him to leave Afghanistan." These maneuvers were dismissed by the U.S. as insufficient.[73]”

“On September 21, Taliban representatives in Pakistan reacted to the U.S. demands with defiance. Zaeef said the Taliban were ready, if necessary, for war with the United States. His deputy Suhail Shaheen warned that a U.S. invasion would share in the same fate that befell Great Britain and the Soviet Union in previous centuries. He confirmed that the clerics' decision "was only a recommendation" and bin Laden would not be asked to leave Afghanistan.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... fghanistan

We offered very reasonable demands and the Taliban refused to agree to them, stalled and delayed.

And Bin Laden OPENLY admitted to it! An open confession is proof enough.
It is only a dispute if guilt if the defendant denies being guilty.

Though we had plenty of other evidence. The very fact the Taliban made that argument that they wanted more was proof they were delaying in bad faith.

[Novus America]

And the death penalty would absolutely be needed as a punishment for those associated with the Taliban.

No.

Once the war is over, we don't need to execute them.

Imprison the leaders at the top for the rest of there life, yes.

Some random asshole who joined the Taliban as a solder, no instead just reform them.

That and the new government should lead an example to the people of "No matter how horrific there crime is, killing is not an option."

Hopefully that would start slowly stop the killings of gay people in the middle east done by vigilanties.

The are too dangerous to imprison for life. They would try to escape and still conduct operations from jail.
I agree I would give the low level ones a choice, confess, give up everything they know, agree to turn against the Taliban and I will show mercy. Otherwise I have absolutely no mercy for anyone willing worked to support the Taliban.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This thread went down hill quick to a circle of people chanting "Force them to westernize! It is our not God (cuz we are secularist) given duty to do so!" What's even more ironic is none of these people are even Afghan, Muslim, likely ever been to Afghanistan and ignore a lot of major and crucial facts, along with this general Superiority Complex of what you could call a modern day white man's burden of rescuing poor Muslim countries from their own culture and religion because "We know best for everyone" thousands of unneeded deaths later and billions of dollars down the drain, just to show how superior and wonderful western liberal democracy is.

You're literally an Arab supremacist, are you not? Pot calling the kettle black if so lol

[Novus America]

This thread went down hill quick to a circle of people chanting "Force them to westernize! It is our not God (cuz we are secularist) given duty to do so!" What's even more ironic is none of these people are even Afghan, Muslim, likely ever been to Afghanistan and ignore a lot of major and crucial facts, along with this general Superiority Complex of what you could call a modern day white man's burden of rescuing poor Muslim countries from their own culture and religion because "We know best for everyone" thousands of unneeded deaths later and billions of dollars down the drain, just to show how superior and wonderful western liberal democracy is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghani ... 0-2010.png
Well clearly it is still better than Taliban rule.

I would not force them to Westernize, but we absolutely should have taken a zero tolerance approach to corruption and Taliban affiliation.

[What doth thou meaneth]

If they want to be rule like the dark ages. I see no issue with this. Let them govern, how they please. Provided they remain within there own borders. Otherwise, the world shall move forwards.

Tell that to the victims of the Taliban.

I trust the Taliban as far as I can throw them. Would be better if we just got rid of them instead of negotiating with children killing, women beating, drug pushing, radical jihadist, ultranationalist rapists.

Agreed

[Khataiy]

This thread went down hill quick to a circle of people chanting "Force them to westernize! It is our not God (cuz we are secularist) given duty to do so!" What's even more ironic is none of these people are even Afghan, Muslim, likely ever been to Afghanistan and ignore a lot of major and crucial facts, along with this general Superiority Complex of what you could call a modern day white man's burden of rescuing poor Muslim countries from their own culture and religion because "We know best for everyone" thousands of unneeded deaths later and billions of dollars down the drain, just to show how superior and wonderful western liberal democracy is.

You're literally an Arab supremacist, are you not? Pot calling the kettle black if so lol

I believe in a society of equals not in the White Savior Complex in this thread, Afghanistan is a sovereign country, the injustice being called for is detestable to say the least. These societies are thousands of years old, ancient and have no connection to the western world and the two like oil and water don't mix and you shouldn't force it. Afghanistan and policies implemented there along with nearly every other country are not the responsibility or business of anyone else, what America does domestically is not the business of Afghans and vice versa. I do not believe anyone has the right to go around saying "You people are so backwards and barbaric we need to save you from your own errors." It would be considered condescending and belittling if I did this to another person, but for reason when you go in and kill thousands of people, waste your nation's military strength on a show of arrogance its considered rational and a sound decision.

This is a clear double-standard and I absolutely oppose it, Afghanistan was unjustly invaded, the current Afghan government is not much better and is truthfully no different than the Taliban, but both are part of the nation's national forces and the nation's people. There is no issue in them coming together jointly to establish a government with services and security and expelling foreign occupation, all Afghan forces, tribes and factions should unite and it isn't anyone else's job to facilitate this, force this or take part in it unless directly asked to do so in a fair relationship of equals where one Nation doesn't look down on the other, make demands of the other that violate their sovereignty and so on. This is the geopolitical equivalent of rape.

[Novus America]

If they want to be rule like the dark ages. I see no issue with this. Let them govern, how they please. Provided they remain within there own borders. Otherwise, the world shall move forwards.

And that is the problem. Their problems did not stay there.
If we could somehow make Afghanistan teleport to another planet such as we never have to think about it again I would be fine with that, but that is not an option.

[Novus America]

You're literally an Arab supremacist, are you not? Pot calling the kettle black if so lol

I believe in a society of equals not in the White Savior Complex in this thread, Afghanistan is a sovereign country, the injustice being called for is detestable to say the least. These societies are thousands of years old, ancient and have no connection to the western world and the two like oil and water don't mix and you shouldn't force it. Afghanistan and policies implemented there along with nearly every other country are not the responsibility or business of anyone else, what America does domestically is not the business of Afghans and vice versa. I do not believe anyone has the right to go around saying "You people are so backwards and barbaric we need to save you from your own errors." It would be considered condescending and belittling if I did this to another person, but for reason when you go in and kill thousands of people, waste your nation's military strength on a show of arrogance its considered rational and a sound decision.

This is a clear double-standard and I absolutely oppose it, Afghanistan was unjustly invaded, the current Afghan government is not much better and is truthfully no different than the Taliban, but both are part of the nation's national forces and the nation's people. There is no issue in them coming together jointly to establish a government with services and security and expelling foreign occupation, all Afghan forces, tribes and factions should unite and it isn't anyone else's job to facilitate this, force this or take part in it unless directly asked to do so in a fair relationship of equals where one Nation doesn't look down on the other, make demands of the other that violate their sovereignty and so on. This is the geopolitical equivalent of rape.

Unjustly invaded? How? It was used as a base to attack us.
If they wanted to keep us out they should not have done that.

And while the current government is bad, but literacy and HDI have improved.

[Khataiy]

I believe in a society of equals not in the White Savior Complex in this thread, Afghanistan is a sovereign country, the injustice being called for is detestable to say the least. These societies are thousands of years old, ancient and have no connection to the western world and the two like oil and water don't mix and you shouldn't force it. Afghanistan and policies implemented there along with nearly every other country are not the responsibility or business of anyone else, what America does domestically is not the business of Afghans and vice versa. I do not believe anyone has the right to go around saying "You people are so backwards and barbaric we need to save you from your own errors." It would be considered condescending and belittling if I did this to another person, but for reason when you go in and kill thousands of people, waste your nation's military strength on a show of arrogance its considered rational and a sound decision.

This is a clear double-standard and I absolutely oppose it, Afghanistan was unjustly invaded, the current Afghan government is not much better and is truthfully no different than the Taliban, but both are part of the nation's national forces and the nation's people. There is no issue in them coming together jointly to establish a government with services and security and expelling foreign occupation, all Afghan forces, tribes and factions should unite and it isn't anyone else's job to facilitate this, force this or take part in it unless directly asked to do so in a fair relationship of equals where one Nation doesn't look down on the other, make demands of the other that violate their sovereignty and so on. This is the geopolitical equivalent of rape.

Unjustly invaded? How? It was used as a base to attack us.
If they wanted to keep us out they should not have done that.

And while the current government is bad, but literacy and HDI have improved.

Afghanistan is a country not a base, I know you meant that figuratively but it still psychologically diminishes the country's status as a sovereign state. The Taliban had no part in any attacks organized against the US and had no knowledge of the attacks until the US requested extradition, which a country does have a right to refuse. The Turkish government has demanded the extradition of Gulen for organizing an attempted coup in 2016 and these requests have either been refused or ignored. This happens frequently, but the Turkish didn't invade the US for being a "base to organize a coup". Afghanistan under the Taliban and its current government are sovereign states as much as the United States, Germany, etc. But was not treated in such a way, and still is not being treated fairly.

[Hatterleigh]

And we should believe the promises of these vermin why?

Umm, because they are backed by the most powerful nation on earth?

EDIT: It seems I misunderstood you. I thought you meant the US backed forces, not the taliban. I apologize.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No.

Once the war is over, we don't need to execute them.

Imprison the leaders at the top for the rest of there life, yes.

Some random asshole who joined the Taliban as a solder, no instead just reform them.

That and the new government should lead an example to the people of "No matter how horrific there crime is, killing is not an option."

Hopefully that would start slowly stop the killings of gay people in the middle east done by vigilanties.

The are too dangerous to imprison for life. They would try to escape and still conduct operations from jail.
I agree I would give the low level ones a choice, confess, give up everything they know, agree to turn against the Taliban and I will show mercy. Otherwise I have absolutely no mercy for anyone willing worked to support the Taliban.

Even with that risk, the state shouldn't have the right to make a life or death call of it's citizens when not in war.

I just don't think the death penalty would be fitting for any crime.

[Fartsniffage]

You're literally an Arab supremacist, are you not? Pot calling the kettle black if so lol

I believe in a society of equals not in the White Savior Complex in this thread, Afghanistan is a sovereign country, the injustice being called for is detestable to say the least. These societies are thousands of years old, ancient and have no connection to the western world and the two like oil and water don't mix and you shouldn't force it. Afghanistan and policies implemented there along with nearly every other country are not the responsibility or business of anyone else, what America does domestically is not the business of Afghans and vice versa. I do not believe anyone has the right to go around saying "You people are so backwards and barbaric we need to save you from your own errors." It would be considered condescending and belittling if I did this to another person, but for reason when you go in and kill thousands of people, waste your nation's military strength on a show of arrogance its considered rational and a sound decision.

This is a clear double-standard and I absolutely oppose it, Afghanistan was unjustly invaded, the current Afghan government is not much better and is truthfully no different than the Taliban, but both are part of the nation's national forces and the nation's people. There is no issue in them coming together jointly to establish a government with services and security and expelling foreign occupation, all Afghan forces, tribes and factions should unite and it isn't anyone else's job to facilitate this, force this or take part in it unless directly asked to do so in a fair relationship of equals where one Nation doesn't look down on the other, make demands of the other that violate their sovereignty and so on. This is the geopolitical equivalent of rape.

Bollocks. In the 70's Afghanistan had managed to advance to a point that put it alongside the west. Women were free and education was available for all. If you think the current situation is what should be then your opinion is terrible and you should feel bad about it.