Authoritarian Discussion thread

[Kowani]

Somalia was laissez-fairs capitalism, not anarchism.

Wasn't even that. It was a place of gangs and warlords.

…I was referring to before the collapse.

[Kaystein]

"Remember kids: Dictators are psychopaths and evil, and don't care about you. Avoid them or they'll kill your family for laughs."

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Wasn't even that. It was a place of gangs and warlords.

…I was referring to before the collapse.

Before the collapse, it was ruled by a socialist party.

[Kowani]

…I was referring to before the collapse.

Before the collapse, it was ruled by a socialist party.

Huh. Never mind me, then.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

This may have already been discussed in this thread, but if not, I'll ask it for the sake of fun.

When does the line separating general authoritarianism from totalitarianism begin to blur?

One thing is restricted more or less to the political sphere.

Totalitarism goes into everyting. Every facet of life and possibly human existence is subjected to the ideology.

Totalitarianism is also marked with autocracy, since most, if not all, totalitarian governments have been led by an autocrat, and most (probably all tbh) fascist states have been autocratic.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

One thing is restricted more or less to the political sphere.

Totalitarism goes into everyting. Every facet of life and possibly human existence is subjected to the ideology.

Totalitarianism is also marked with autocracy, since most, if not all, totalitarian governments have been led by an autocrat, and most (probably all tbh) fascist states have been autocratic.

Autocracy is a core trait of fascism, so yes, all.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Before the collapse, it was ruled by a socialist party.

Huh. Never mind me, then.

Lmao.

[Kowani]

Huh. Never mind me, then.

Lmao.

I don’t argue with data.
Maybe with conclusions drawn from it, but unless the dataset is really bad, or I have better citations, I don’t argue against data.

[Antarctic Swabia]

Because Fascism is right wing. And how is Fascism even socialist? Do you even know what you're talking about?

Have you read the manifesto? It’s a good read regardless of political ideology since it provides historical insight into much of Europe as it evolved through many wars

Yes, I have read the Fascist Manifesto.

[Antarctic Swabia]

What's a Rhine market lmao

It’s a more interventionist version of market socialism, and the economic ideology used by Mussolini and Perón

Never heard of it, and doing a google search on it shows nothing. And neither did Mussolini or Perón use "Rhine Markets". Mussolini was a corporatist.

[Antarctic Swabia]

Which people, in particular, does classical fascism take joy in suffering?

Anyone under the boot heel of the totalitarian fascist state, as in everyone who isn’t a member of the ruling elites class of said totalitarian fascist state.

You're funny.

[Hanafuridake]

Have you read the manifesto? It’s a good read regardless of political ideology since it provides historical insight into much of Europe as it evolved through many wars

Yes, I have read the Fascist Manifesto.

Which, it should be pointed out, was written in 1919 when Fascism was mostly composed of leftist and democrat members. The manifesto called for anti-militarism, confiscating church property, and women having the vote. There are no similarities to what the ideology became in the 20's when the Fascists started gaining members from other segments of society and started beating Slavs, unionists, and dissidents up.

[Diopolis]

This may have already been discussed in this thread, but if not, I'll ask it for the sake of fun.

When does the line separating general authoritarianism from totalitarianism begin to blur?

Authoritarian regimes are classically defined by the need for the state to bargain with powerful non-governmental actors in the exercise of state power. A few examples might be Franco and Salazar and the Catholic Church, late communist Poland and solidarity, Saudi Arabia and their pet clerics, (for a while)apartheid South Africa and the AWB, or any of a dozen banana republics and some kind of evil megacorp.
Generally authoritarian regimes have a higher tolerance for dissent, due to the need to share state power.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

It’s a more interventionist version of market socialism, and the economic ideology used by Mussolini and Perón

Never heard of it, and doing a google search on it shows nothing. And neither did Mussolini or Perón use "Rhine Markets". Mussolini was a corporatist.

Google “Rhine Capitalism”

[Antarctic Swabia]

Yes, I have read the Fascist Manifesto.

Which, it should be pointed out, was written in 1919 when Fascism was mostly composed of leftist and democrat members. The manifesto called for anti-militarism, confiscating church property, and women having the vote. There are no similarities to what the ideology became in the 20's when the Fascists started gaining members from other segments of society and started beating Slavs, unionists, and dissidents up.

Yeah I was going to point this out too. Fascism in 1925 was much different than Fascism in 1919. Don't recall Fascists beating up Slavs in the 20s though

[Aureumterra]

It’s a more interventionist version of market socialism, and the economic ideology used by Mussolini and Perón

Never heard of it, and doing a google search on it shows nothing. And neither did Mussolini or Perón use "Rhine Markets". Mussolini was a corporatist.

You’ve never heard of Rhine Capitalism?

[Antarctic Swabia]

Your ideology
Fascist
third Positionist( National Bolshevism, Strasserism or a similar ideology)

Funny, Strasserism a variant of Fascism. And National Bolshevism is rebranded communism for idiots. Third Position is kinda a meme.

[Antarctic Swabia]

Never heard of it, and doing a google search on it shows nothing. And neither did Mussolini or Perón use "Rhine Markets". Mussolini was a corporatist.

You’ve never heard of Rhine Capitalism?

Yeah I did, I just kinda forgot about it. It's basically Social Democracy with extra steps.

[Antarctic Swabia]

How does fascism inherently call for ethnic genocide?

Fascist philosophy is based on conflict between groups, ethnic or national. The Fascist Party rose in Italy because they beat up Slavic-speakers in Northern Italy. That's a strong recipe for genocide and indeed Yugoslavs were put in concentration camps under Mussolini's government.

That's just plane wrong.

[Vegaslovakia]

Is it okay to use this thread to figure out your ideology? Because certain things have come to mind recently that make me wonder if I really should keep the 'Totalitarianism' in the 'anti' section of my signature.

Edit: specifics about my political ideology, if my country were to actually come into existence, have been the things recently on my mind.

[-Ra-]

Curious to see that most authoritarians are of left-wing persuasion. Tells you a lot about the core of the left.

[Gutaiai]

I have no political convictions except for authoritarianism really. I just want to take power and then try to help people.

Curious to see that most authoritarians are of left-wing persuasion. Tells you a lot about the core of the left.

If that were true, then the core of the right is also authoritarian according to that logic.

Although given your sig, you probably reached that conclusion from your own anti-leftist viewpoint, and not from the thread itself. This is because, if you look at the poll, there are actually more right-wing authoritarians than left-wing authoritarians if we discount "other" and "third positionist" (since third positionist according to the poll is all the authoritarian ideologies with a mix of left-wing and right-wing stances).

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Curious to see that most authoritarians are of left-wing persuasion. Tells you a lot about the core of the left.

Do nazis not exist in your world? Or left wing libertarians or anarchists?

[The Liberated Territories]

Curious to see that most authoritarians are of left-wing persuasion. Tells you a lot about the core of the left.

Right vs. Left is simply an outdated French seating arrangement.

The real battle will be between the libertarians and authoritarians.

[The Greater Gothic Empire]

I had no problems with regards to this thread, except for some libertarians in this thread who are among of those who want to debate with me about what I believe is good for me.