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Hatterleigh
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Postby Hatterleigh » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:43 pm

EastKekistan wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Because Barton is a historian who read the lagit documents, Crowder just interned him.


Point being when America was founded we all agreed on clearly defined Judao Christian morals.
Like
Respect your father and mother.
You must not commit murder.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

There is nothing wrong with this.
People started ignoring the Lord and now Crime is up, devorce is up, etc, etc.


Confounding. What if we control for race?

Southern Nigeria is very Christian while Japan is very un-Christian. Which country is better?

Japan isn't exactly perfect either. High suicide rates, rapidly aging population, overworked population, loneliness, etc.
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Postby EastKekistan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:43 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:Let's just leave them alone. Seriously. Let them have a pillar as long as they leave us alone.

Fuck no. I will not allow a bunch of ignorant bullshit to be spouted and left unchallenged. He is not leaving others alone, he is calling people immoral and wrong for who they fucking are.

I know it is annoying..but this disagreement is downstream from religion but both sides refuse to have a proper religious debate
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Postby EastKekistan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:43 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:
Confounding. What if we control for race?

Southern Nigeria is very Christian while Japan is very un-Christian. Which country is better?

Japan isn't exactly perfect either. High suicide rates, rapidly aging population, overworked population, loneliness, etc.


Yes but it is very good compared to the West and definitely Africa
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2. 45% of Mars
3. The rest of the Solar System (Solar System is Division 0)
4. 27 other divisions (Division 1-27)
An alliance of racially Northeast Asian countries friendly with White Nationalists, Zionists and nationalists in the Middle East and India.
We are an alliance of rich, safe and clean nations. Rapid scientific development, space exploration, modern cities, skyscrapers and high-speed trains..you will enjoy ultra-modern life if you come and visit us.
We were a Tier 7, Level 0, Type 8 civilization according to this index. Our old map News By 3173 we rule over the universe.

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Postby Hatterleigh » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:44 pm

EastKekistan wrote:
Hatterleigh wrote:Japan isn't exactly perfect either. High suicide rates, rapidly aging population, overworked population, loneliness, etc.


It is very good compared to the West and definitely Africa

Irrelevant. Those countries are bad not because of religion, while one could argue that the problems in japan could be blamed on a lack of religion at least in part.
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:45 pm

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Ors Might wrote:I probably would too, if the concept of being responsible for another human being didn’t simultaneously terrify me.

Any great responsibility should terrify you to some degree. If it doesn't, you aren't taking it seriously. I'm terrified to be a dad but I still want it more than anything I've ever wanted before.

I’d need a better job before I can even think of anything like that. I’m probably boned because of my lack of desire to get hitched. A young single dad would have a hell of a hard time carrying the weight of a child.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:45 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:"A primary school in Birmingham that suspended lessons about LGBT equality following protests by parents is to resume a modified version of the programme in September."

Good they're resuming, bad they suspended them in the first place
"Parents of pupils at Parkfield community school in Saltley staged weekly protests over the relationship lessons, which they claimed promoted gay and transgender lifestyles. In March, hundreds of mainly Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day."

god forbid children learn about the world they live in lol

"Fatima Shah, who first raised the issue and pulled her 10-year-old daughter out of the school, saying children were too young to be learning about same-sex marriages and LGBT issues in class, said the concerned parents had not been listened to."

Well, Fatima Shah sounds like too much of a bitch to have been listened to, concerned or otherwise


Whose side are you on?

i think that should be obvious
The school is trying to offer a modified version for Muslims

Why the fuck? I'm fine with serving halal or kosher food and accommodating hijabs or yarmulkes or Sikh turbans, but you don't get special curricula as an "accommodation." That's one where I think you gotta just render unto Caesar.
but the parents don't like the sound of it,

Well, I don't like the sound of them
we'll see in September.

hopefully Virgo season brings good things then I guess
I think parents should have a say in what their children are taught if it is a matter of morality.

And I think backwards and hateful religious bullshit should be kept out of public school curricula, so evidently we find ourselves at odds
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EastKekistan
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Postby EastKekistan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:46 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:
It is very good compared to the West and definitely Africa

Irrelevant. Those countries are bad not because of religion, while one could argue that the problems in japan could be blamed on a lack of religion at least in part.


How does Japan lack religion when it clearly has Shintoism and Buddhism? You can argue that China lacks religion..but not Japan.
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3. The rest of the Solar System (Solar System is Division 0)
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An alliance of racially Northeast Asian countries friendly with White Nationalists, Zionists and nationalists in the Middle East and India.
We are an alliance of rich, safe and clean nations. Rapid scientific development, space exploration, modern cities, skyscrapers and high-speed trains..you will enjoy ultra-modern life if you come and visit us.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Threlizdun » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:47 pm

EastKekistan wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Because Barton is a historian who read the lagit documents, Crowder just interned him.


Point being when America was founded we all agreed on clearly defined Judao Christian morals.
Like
Respect your father and mother.
You must not commit murder.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

There is nothing wrong with this.
People started ignoring the Lord and now Crime is up, devorce is up, etc, etc.


Confounding. What if we control for race?

Southern Nigeria is very Christian while Japan is very un-Christian. Which country is better?

The hell is "controlling for race" supposed to mean? The differences between Nigeria and Japan are a product of drastically different geography and socioeconomic histories.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:47 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Fun fact: This doesn't actually happen in the really real world, no matter how much the self-appointed moral guardians wax lyrical about it.

And, if this study is anything to go by, the children who do consider themselves trans actually mean it and are generally correct.

No, see, all this liberal, progressive, fact-based jibber-jabber is causing gender confusion! Children actually believe that their gender identity is something for them to discover for themselves, instead of accepting the BIBLICAL TRUTH that gender is determined by which colour blanket the stork swaddles you in before delivery to your married, virgin parents.


Great Kauthar wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:What a fucking sad viewpoint to hold.

Well thankfully you and your god dont get to dictate whats moral and what isnt.

Even if you don't believe in God, nature exists to enforce it. That's why STDs are so common among those who partake in immoral sexual practises.

Again, you are obviously talking exclusively about anal sex, which is not the only kind of sex gay people have.

Ifreann wrote:Do not turn this thread into a house of lies.

You very clearly think that gay sex is wrong and unnatural, and when asked to elaborate you referred to sodomy. There is such a thing as gay sex that is not anal sex.

Which are just as bad and also harmful.

Do you have any explanation for this? Or are we to believe that sex that does not involve anal penetration is bad because the anus is not "meant" to be penetrated?
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Postby New Lindale » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:49 pm

When it comes to what I think, I'm sort of in the middle. So, I am not opposed to the curriculum, just as pertaining to primary school children. Since they have not reached adolesce, it should not apply to them. I also recognise that the children need to be able to accept that some families have homosexual couples, but I think it should be rather brief at this level. I would recommend going more in-depth at high school, possibly even mid to late middle school
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:49 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Liriena wrote:Oh, gawd, I'm terrified of being responsible for a newborn. Anything older than that I think I could manage, but a baby?

Like, what in the hell am I supposed to do with this wrinkly screaming potato head? They’re far too small to exist in this world but I too am small and cannot protect them.

What if I drop them? I'm clumsy. I dropped my favourite mug a couple weeks ago, and I loved that mug more than anything, and the floors are carpeted but maybe that's not enough to cushion the fall oh gawd...
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:49 pm

People who are forbidden from something, when able to do that thing, go overboard and don't think.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:50 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:
Confounding. What if we control for race?

Southern Nigeria is very Christian while Japan is very un-Christian. Which country is better?

The hell is "controlling for race" supposed to mean? The differences between Nigeria and Japan are a product of drastically different geography and socioeconomic histories.

It means "I'm a racist".
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Threlizdun » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:51 pm

New Lindale wrote:When it comes to what I think, I'm sort of in the middle. So, I am not opposed to the curriculum, just as pertaining to primary school children. Since they have not reached adolesce, it should not apply to them. I also recognise that the children need to be able to accept that some families have homosexual couples, but I think it should be rather brief at this level. I would recommend going more in-depth at high school, possibly even mid to late middle school

LGBTQ children exist. I should know since I was one. I would have really appreciated getting sex education that actually addressed issues I was seriously concerned about rather than just having to figure it all out on my own.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:The hell is "controlling for race" supposed to mean? The differences between Nigeria and Japan are a product of drastically different geography and socioeconomic histories.

It means "I'm a racist".

This thread is like a lightning rod for bad arguments.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:52 pm

The South Falls wrote:People who are forbidden from something, when able to do that thing, go overboard and don't think.

See: porn consumption patterns in conservative states.
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Postby Iciaros » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:52 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Like, what in the hell am I supposed to do with this wrinkly screaming potato head? They’re far too small to exist in this world but I too am small and cannot protect them.

What if I drop them? I'm clumsy. I dropped my favourite mug a couple weeks ago, and I loved that mug more than anything, and the floors are carpeted but maybe that's not enough to cushion the fall oh gawd...


Your mug was fine until you picked it up. The solution should be obvious. Never pick up children. Think of how much safer they'll be.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:54 pm

Iciaros wrote:
Liriena wrote:What if I drop them? I'm clumsy. I dropped my favourite mug a couple weeks ago, and I loved that mug more than anything, and the floors are carpeted but maybe that's not enough to cushion the fall oh gawd...


Your mug was fine until you picked it up. The solution should be obvious. Never pick up children. Think of how much safer they'll be.

Floor parenting. The new craze spreading among millenials.
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Postby EastKekistan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:55 pm

Liriena wrote:
The South Falls wrote:People who are forbidden from something, when able to do that thing, go overboard and don't think.

See: porn consumption patterns in conservative states.

Right.
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2. 45% of Mars
3. The rest of the Solar System (Solar System is Division 0)
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We are an alliance of rich, safe and clean nations. Rapid scientific development, space exploration, modern cities, skyscrapers and high-speed trains..you will enjoy ultra-modern life if you come and visit us.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:55 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I probably would too, if the concept of being responsible for another human being didn’t simultaneously terrify me.

Oh, gawd, I'm terrified of being responsible for a newborn. Anything older than that I think I could manage, but a baby?

Oh honey, newborns are the easiest part. Hold em right, talk at them, snuggle em, feed em, change em, and otherwise they sleep.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:56 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Liriena wrote:Oh, gawd, I'm terrified of being responsible for a newborn. Anything older than that I think I could manage, but a baby?

Like, what in the hell am I supposed to do with this wrinkly screaming potato head? They’re far too small to exist in this world but I too am small and cannot protect them.

Babies are surprisingly durable.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:56 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Iciaros wrote:
Your mug was fine until you picked it up. The solution should be obvious. Never pick up children. Think of how much safer they'll be.

Floor parenting. The new craze spreading among millenials.

Millennials are killing the reproductive labour industry.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:57 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Floor parenting. The new craze spreading among millenials.

Millennials are killing the reproductive labour industry.

:rofl:
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:58 pm

Iciaros wrote:
Liriena wrote:What if I drop them? I'm clumsy. I dropped my favourite mug a couple weeks ago, and I loved that mug more than anything, and the floors are carpeted but maybe that's not enough to cushion the fall oh gawd...


Your mug was fine until you picked it up. The solution should be obvious. Never pick up children. Think of how much safer they'll be.

I think this came straight from the "How to Raise a Serial Killer" manual.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:01 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Iciaros wrote:
Your mug was fine until you picked it up. The solution should be obvious. Never pick up children. Think of how much safer they'll be.

I think this came straight from the "How to Raise a Serial Killer" manual.

And only look at them with the aid of mirrors, no looking directly at them, that'll help.
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