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Should Slavery/Indentured Servitude be brought back?

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Economically or Societally speaking, unfree labor is...

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Postby Saint Arsenio » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:18 pm

Pacomia wrote:Looks like this thread’s about to be locked down.

I hope not. I don't see why it would be. It sparks debate and conversation.
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Postby Springfeal » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:19 pm

Pacomia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Don't respond, dude literally supports terror organizations, he admitted to it in the Islamic Discussion Thread.

Shit, man. Jesus Christ.


Indeed he says he supports Tahrir Al-Sham and Ahrar Al-Sham which are both Al-Qaeda affiliated groups in Syria.

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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:19 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Pacomia wrote:What did you expect in a thread about BRINGING BACK SLAVERY?

Don't respond, dude literally supports terror organizations, he admitted to it in the Islamic Discussion Thread.


Where?

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:20 pm

Saint Arsenio wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Looks like this thread’s about to be locked down.

I hope not. I don't see why it would be. It sparks debate and conversation.

Maybe not, but a lot of this is now just extremist drivel and shitposting.
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Postby Nogodia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:20 pm

I've always been more of a lurker, but El-Amin is one of those few posters whose presence immediately makes me worry about where the thread will go.

And Saiwanna, for fuck's sake, batshit-insane authoritarians like you are the reason a significant chunk of the NS left has solidified their stance.
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Inven wrote:A major threat, especially for small islands nation like Tuvalu


Can't they move?


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Postby Springfeal » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:21 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Don't respond, dude literally supports terror organizations, he admitted to it in the Islamic Discussion Thread.


Where?


El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Specifically what group are you supporting?

More like was, since the dictatorship pretty much won now.

I get the names mixed up, but either Tahrir Ash-Sham or Ahrar Ash-Sham.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:21 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Don't respond, dude literally supports terror organizations, he admitted to it in the Islamic Discussion Thread.


Where?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Specifically what group are you supporting?

More like was, since the dictatorship pretty much won now.

I get the names mixed up, but either Tahrir Ash-Sham or Ahrar Ash-Sham.



El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:And you support that violence?

I support jihaad. Whichever group was doing jihaad I support.



The post originally said "I support violent Jihaad", but was edited.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:24 pm

Pacomia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Don't respond, dude literally supports terror organizations, he admitted to it in the Islamic Discussion Thread.

Shi*, man. Jesus Christ.

Well this is false
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Postby Great Nortend » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:25 pm

Indentured servitude could be practical in some cases if the servant could unilaterally terminate the indenture at any time, with the proviso that the debt or whatever is not paid off in such a situation if it was a decision made ex mero motu. It might be hardly distinguishable from a contractor though... Slavery on the other hand is reprehensible.
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Postby Springfeal » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:25 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Shi*, man. Jesus Christ.

Well this is false


You outright admitted to it!

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Specifically what group are you supporting?

More like was, since the dictatorship pretty much won now.

I get the names mixed up, but either Tahrir Ash-Sham or Ahrar Ash-Sham.

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Postby Nogodia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:26 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Shi*, man. Jesus Christ.

Well this is false

Prove it is. You've outright called for fucking Sharia Law before, so you're in a position to defend, not attack.
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Inven wrote:A major threat, especially for small islands nation like Tuvalu


Can't they move?


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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:27 pm

Springfeal wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Where?


El-Amin Caliphate wrote:More like was, since the dictatorship pretty much won now.

I get the names mixed up, but either Tahrir Ash-Sham or Ahrar Ash-Sham.

Of course you don't show the rest of the conversation:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=462608&start=2025
Here's where the conversation starts. Also, Ahrar Ash-Shasm isn't allied with Al-Qaeda.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:27 pm

As a more serious response, it's generally the one receiving services that sets the terms of indentured servitude, and there's therefore obviously a downward force on the rate of restitution.
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:28 pm

Nogodia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well this is false

Prove it is. You've outright called for fucking Sharia Law before, so you're in a position to defend, not attack.

This isn’t the place to have this debate. Sure, this is the demise of most NSG threads, but shouldn’t we at least try to make this thread about slavery?
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:28 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Where?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:More like was, since the dictatorship pretty much won now.

I get the names mixed up, but either Tahrir Ash-Sham or Ahrar Ash-Sham.



El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I support jihaad. Whichever group was doing jihaad I support.



The post originally said "I support violent Jihaad", but was edited.


It survived though in subsequent quoting however.

Greater Cesnica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I support violent jihaad. Whichever group was doing jihaad I support.

Specifically what group are you supporting?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:29 pm

Nogodia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well this is false

Prove it is. You've outright called for f*cking Sharia Law before, so you're in a position to defend, not attack.

Supporting my Deen's law has nothing to do with false accusation
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:29 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Springfeal wrote:

Of course you don't show the rest of the conversation:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=462608&start=2025
Here's where the conversation starts. Also, Ahrar Ash-Shasm isn't allied with Al-Qaeda.

They were allied with Al Qaeda and are a terrorist group, people have been convicted and sent to prison for sending them support, and a court in the Netherlands officially designated them a terrorist organization.
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:30 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Of course you don't show the rest of the conversation:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=462608&start=2025
Here's where the conversation starts. Also, Ahrar Ash-Shasm isn't allied with Al-Qaeda.

They were allied with Al Qaeda and are a terrorist group, people have been convicted and sent to prison for sending them support, and a court in the Netherlands officially designated them a terrorist organization.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:30 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Of course you don't show the rest of the conversation:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=462608&start=2025
Here's where the conversation starts. Also, Ahrar Ash-Shasm isn't allied with Al-Qaeda.

They were allied with Al Qaeda and are a terrorist group, people have been convicted and sent to prison for sending them support, and a court in the Netherlands officially designated them a terrorist organization.

Good, you made your point. Now get back to talking about the topic.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:31 pm

As indefensible as El-Amin is. Slavery? How about that shit?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:31 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They were allied with Al Qaeda and are a terrorist group, people have been convicted and sent to prison for sending them support, and a court in the Netherlands officially designated them a terrorist organization.

Good, you made your point. Now get back to talking about the topic.

Calling someone out for supporting terrorism is actionable, but not supporting terrorism? Weird priorities here.
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Postby Nogodia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:33 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Nogodia wrote:Prove it is. You've outright called for f*cking Sharia Law before, so you're in a position to defend, not attack.

Supporting my Deen's law has nothing to do with false accusation

No, but it sure as hell shows you're the kind of muslim that ultra-nationalist parties uphold as reasons to deport or restrict the immigration the majority poor, innocent, moderate families out of the fear that one of them might be like you.
So prove you never supported these groups, because from your posts, I gather you have multiple extremist leanings in many parts of your personal interpretation of the Book.

On the topic of slavery, it's still very bad.
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Inven wrote:A major threat, especially for small islands nation like Tuvalu


Can't they move?


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BlueSteel does NOT support the institution of slavery. We thank you for you interest.

Why not?

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:33 pm

Actually, I feel like we’re beating a dead horse at this point. This thread is now just personal insults and religious extremism. We have little to say about the topic of slavery anymore, as most of us have already made our point.

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Postby Saint Arsenio » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:33 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They were allied with Al Qaeda and are a terrorist group, people have been convicted and sent to prison for sending them support, and a court in the Netherlands officially designated them a terrorist organization.

Good, you made your point. Now get back to talking about the topic.

I'm not attempting to challenge your authority, but we're just striking up a conversation and starting further conversation.
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Postby Nogodia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:34 pm

Slavery is bad and not justifiable.
Indentured servitude is up for legal interpretation.

Go home folks, thread's basically dead.
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Inven wrote:A major threat, especially for small islands nation like Tuvalu


Can't they move?


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Trixtoria wrote:
BlueSteel does NOT support the institution of slavery. We thank you for you interest.

Why not?

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