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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:37 pm

Nakena wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:How so?


Your posts come across as quite dodgy. And sometimes I can't help but getting the impression that you play intentionally the naive. Maybe I am wrong about this.

What are you talking about?
Nakena wrote:However it appears to be pretty clear by now that the stuff you try to sell isn't taken anymore as goodwill and benefit of doubt on our side have run out to play the game anymore.

I never wanted benefit of the doubt.
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Postby Vetalia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:38 pm

Bombadil wrote:Then just pay someone $40, 000, why bring slavery into it?


The advantage is you pay someone $40k once and than have them as your property for life.
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:39 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Then just pay someone $40, 000, why bring slavery into it?


The advantage is you pay someone $40k once and than have them as your property for life.

How is that an advantage? How do you bring yourself to buy another human being? Are you listening to yourself? It's wrong to even think about owning another human.
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Postby Vetalia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:40 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Your posts come across as quite dodgy. And sometimes I can't help but getting the impression that you play intentionally the naive. Maybe I am wrong about this.

What are you talking about?
Nakena wrote:However it appears to be pretty clear by now that the stuff you try to sell isn't taken anymore as goodwill and benefit of doubt on our side have run out to play the game anymore.

I never wanted benefit of the doubt.


I found a nice slave, seems feisty boys, let's round him up and send him back to Georgia!
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Postby Springfeal » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:40 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Your posts come across as quite dodgy. And sometimes I can't help but getting the impression that you play intentionally the naive. Maybe I am wrong about this.

What are you talking about?
Nakena wrote:However it appears to be pretty clear by now that the stuff you try to sell isn't taken anymore as goodwill and benefit of doubt on our side have run out to play the game anymore.

I never wanted benefit of the doubt.


I can't help but wonder if you are serious or if you are just playing around...

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:40 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Back in 1850, a slave in the American South cost the equivalent of $40,000 in today's money.


Then just pay someone $40, 000, why bring slavery into it?

^This
Vetalia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:This still doesn't answer my question.


Are you big on slaves, boss?

What?
Springfeal wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Because it's the responsibility of the claimant to prove their claim.


You are the only one making claims around here. Very bizarre twisted ones at that.

At least I've proven them. At least, I described how Islamic slavery works. Proved it too.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:40 pm

Vetalia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?

I never wanted benefit of the doubt.


I found a nice slave, seems feisty boys, let's round him up and send him back to Georgia!

I still don't know what you're talking about
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Postby Springfeal » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:41 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Then just pay someone $40, 000, why bring slavery into it?

^This
Vetalia wrote:
Are you big on slaves, boss?

What?
Springfeal wrote:
You are the only one making claims around here. Very bizarre twisted ones at that.

At least I've proven them. At least, I described how Islamic slavery works. Proved it too.



You haven't proved shit. SLAVES CANNOT CONSENT!! Just because someone isn't allowed to say no doesn't mean they are consenting. Islamic rape is still rape.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:42 pm

Saint Arsenio wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
The advantage is you pay someone $40k once and than have them as your property for life.

How is that an advantage? How do you bring yourself to buy another human being? Are you listening to yourself? It's wrong to even think about owning another human.

He answering why the slavermaster would buy a slave.
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Postby Vetalia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:43 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I still don't know what you're talking about


Slavery has been reinstated, I'm taking you home to cultivate peanuts and tobacco on my plantation.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:43 pm

Springfeal wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:^This

What?

At least I've proven them. At least, I described how Islamic slavery works. Proved it too.



You haven't proved s*it.

You should probe reread my posts about Islamic slavery then.
Springfeal wrote:SLAVES CANNOT CONSENT!! Just because someone isn't allowed to say no doesn't mean they are consenting. Islamic rape is still rape.

There's no such thing as Islamic rape.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:44 pm

Vetalia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I still don't know what you're talking about


Slavery has been reinstated, I'm taking you home to cultivate peanuts and tobacco on my plantation.

No you're not.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:44 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Then just pay someone $40, 000, why bring slavery into it?


The advantage is you pay someone $40k once and than have them as your property for life.


I imagine there's still running costs for bed and board etc., still.. I don't see why you need own an employee rather than just pay them. If the OPs family can't afford to pay to landscape their garden I don't see how they can afford a slave either.

Technically we do have limited slavery in mandated community service.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:45 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?


That you play the friendly and naive guy but at the same time are not honest about your view when it comes down to it. You dodge. Then you return a few days later and try it again from zero until the water gets to hot again.

You say that muslims should be living under Sharia, but also that they should be allowing to do so and mass immigrate into western countries. And when asked about it you dodge.

Maybe you want islamic world domination? You must know.

And lets not get started about the whole "Islamic Slavery" stuff, which is somewhat dubious and odd even from an islamic viewpoint.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I never wanted benefit of the doubt.


It shall no longer be granted.

Nuff said.
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:46 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
The advantage is you pay someone $40k once and than have them as your property for life.


I imagine there's still running costs for bed and board etc., still.. I don't see why you need own an employee rather than just pay them. If the OPs family can't afford to pay to landscape their garden I don't see how they can afford a slave either.

Technically we do have limited slavery in mandated community service.

Mandated Community Service is usually given to someone who has committed a Minor crime. So, I mean...
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Postby Vetalia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:47 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Slavery has been reinstated, I'm taking you home to cultivate peanuts and tobacco on my plantation.

No you're not.


I'll send the dogs after you and a few good ol' boys with them to make sure you come back to the plantation. That's you're home, slave, and that's where you belong. Bless your lucky stars you're not too expensive to lynch.
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:50 pm

All civilized nations know deep within that all men are created equal.....till you add money, politics, and glory. After that humanity is pretty crappy
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:51 pm

Nakena wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?


That you play the friendly and naive guy but at the same time are not honest about your view when it comes down to it. You dodge. Then you return a few days later and try it again from zero until the water gets to hot again.

You're gonna have to show some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. Preferably through telegram tho so we don't threadjack.
Nakena wrote:You say that muslims should be living under Sharia, but also that they should be allowing to do so and mass immigrate into western countries. And when asked about it you dodge.

See above
Nakena wrote:Maybe you want islamic world domination but aren't open enough to say it?

Actually I said that before. Hold on.
Nakena wrote:And lets not get started about the whole "Islamic Slavery" stuff, which is somewhat dubious and odd even from an islamic viewpoint.

What do you mean?
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Postby Vetalia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:51 pm

Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:All civilized nations know deep within that all men are created equal.....till you add money, politics, and glory. After that humanity is pretty crappy


All men are created equal, amen to that. The only part you missed is that all men are created equal...and FREE.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:52 pm

Vetalia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No you're not.


I'll send the dogs after you and a few good ol' boys with them to make sure you come back to the plantation. That's you're home, slave, and that's where you belong. Bless your lucky stars you're not too expensive to lynch.

This RP's getting too uncomfortable yo :?
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Postby Springfeal » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:52 pm

Vetalia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No you're not.


I'll send the dogs after you and a few good ol' boys with them to make sure you come back to the plantation. That's you're home, slave, and that's where you belong. Bless your lucky stars you're not too expensive to lynch.


But dogs are haraam ;)

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:53 pm

Springfeal wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
I'll send the dogs after you and a few good ol' boys with them to make sure you come back to the plantation. That's you're home, slave, and that's where you belong. Bless your lucky stars you're not too expensive to lynch.


But dogs are haraam ;)

Mostly true, in some cases they're Halaal.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:53 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
I'll send the dogs after you and a few good ol' boys with them to make sure you come back to the plantation. That's you're home, slave, and that's where you belong. Bless your lucky stars you're not too expensive to lynch.

This RP's getting too uncomfortable yo :?

Yeah, and you advocating slavery is uncomfortable for those of us who know people who have lived as slaves.
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Postby Springfeal » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:53 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
But dogs are haraam ;)

Mostly true, in some cases they're Halaal.


Then why did Muhammad order all dogs in Makkah killed?

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Postby Vetalia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:54 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
I'll send the dogs after you and a few good ol' boys with them to make sure you come back to the plantation. That's you're home, slave, and that's where you belong. Bless your lucky stars you're not too expensive to lynch.

This RP's getting too uncomfortable yo :?


Slavery is uncomfortable. Get to work, slave.
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