Should Slavery/Indentured Servitude be brought back?

[Grenartia]

Your "simple" yes/no question is obviously a trap, and to avoid having my words twisted, I refuse to play your game.

Its a sh*tty debate tactic that you should be ashamed of.

How is this a trap?

If I answer "yes", then you'll get into all sorts of semantics with me to "prove" how ""Islamic"" slavery is different from those other forms of slavery.

If I answer "no", then you'll do a victory screech or some such shit, and howl about how 'islamic slavery truly is better for slaves than any other form of slavery' or some bullshit like that.

You're more transparent than a pane of glass.

[Pacomia]

To be fair my counterarguments don't work if they disagree on the history. I'm a dedicated Christian not a Theological Historian. Also a messed up keyboard. I want them to study and not fall for atheist propaganda relating to events lost in translation and lost in translation to time, which leads to atheists presenting falsities as if they were facts but they're wrong.

Really now? It seems like you've spent the majority of this debate being more interested in bashing/decrying so called "atheist propaganda" rather than actually providing them with something of worth to study. If you really want them to study, then might I suggest doing something other than just calling those who disagree with you uneducated or blind? Perhaps you could provide some resources that further elaborate/give the people here reason to support your world view?

I agree, but again I'm just an uneducated peasant.

[Cekoviu]

How is this a trap?

If I answer "yes", then you'll get into all sorts of semantics with me to "prove" how ""Islamic"" slavery is different from those other forms of slavery.

If I answer "no", then you'll do a victory screech or some such shit, and howl about how 'islamic slavery truly is better for slaves than any other form of slavery' or some bullshit like that.

You're more transparent than a pane of glass.

Glass is a sin in Al-Islam.
Smh.

[Rojava Free State]

I think I'm gonna call CNN. A war just began in the thread and the bombs are explosive as hell

[Saint Arsenio]

This is a terrible idea. What kind of question is this? It's called "slavery" for a reason. It wouldn't have been abolished if people actually wanted/agreed with it. The answer is no. There is no way to even make slavery sound like a good idea.

[Diopolis]

Your "simple" yes/no question is obviously a trap, and to avoid having my words twisted, I refuse to play your game.

Its a sh*tty debate tactic that you should be ashamed of.

How is this a trap?

Have you ever considered moving to a jurisdiction whose laws and customs would be closer to your idea of Islam?

No

The slavery practiced in Louisiana and certain parts of the Spanish new world seems extremely similar in terms of slave-protecting measures to how slavery was actually regulated legally by contemporaneous muslim societies.
Note the specific wording: I am not talking about some kind of latter day apologist imposing additional protections on slaves than the ones that were in place legally. I am addressing slavery as it was actually practiced in muslim societies, according to their own laws.

Ok, well I'm not talking about slavery in Muslim societies. This whole topic I've been talking about was slavery according to the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. What made you think I wasn't talking about Islamic slavery?

So you're going to defend a purity standard of Islamic slavery?
I remember when this kind of debate was always over communism.
That's not how this works. The imams of the day seemed to think that the practice of slavery at the time was within the strictures of Islamic law, so you don't get to retroactively declare that it isn't "true Islamic slavery"... just like how leninists don't get to declare that the USSR under Stalin isn't true leninism. I'm not particularly interested in the latter day apologists who slap on additional rights of slaves that weren't recognized by the islamic clerical hierarchy of any actual muslim slave owning society.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How is this a trap?

If I answer "yes", then you'll get into all sorts of semantics with me to "prove" how ""Islamic"" slavery is different from those other forms of slavery.

If I answer "no", then you'll do a victory screech or some such shit, and howl about how 'islamic slavery truly is better for slaves than any other form of slavery' or some bullshit like that.

You're more transparent than a pane of glass.

This is a debate, not a snark match.

Do you know of any other type of slavery that is the same or similar to Islamic slavery?

[Genivaria]

Wow, that descended very quickly into personal insults.

Atheists do have propaganda. Uneducation/Ignorance on the bible is frankly common. I don't see it as a personal insult. Rather noting that and hoping that will encourage them to study, out of curiosity or anger doesn't matter they're getting more study.

This is ironic since the non-religious have a positive correlation with religious knowledge.
https://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s ... ge-survey/

[Pacomia]

Wow, that descended very quickly into personal insults.

Atheists do have propaganda. Uneducation/Ignorance on the bible is frankly common. I don't see it as a personal insult. Rather noting that and hoping that will encourage them to study, out of curiosity or anger doesn't matter they're getting more study.

Sure, if y'all study actual science.

[Grenartia]

This is a terrible idea. What kind of question is this? It's called "slavery" for a reason. It wouldn't have been abolished if people actually wanted/agreed with it. The answer is no. There is no way to even make slavery sound like a good idea.

It should be noted that OP is an unironic Nazi.

[Vetalia]

Should slavery/indentured servitude be brought back?

Sure, you first.

[Rojava Free State]

Wow, that descended very quickly into personal insults.

Atheists do have propaganda. Uneducation/Ignorance on the bible is frankly common. I don't see it as a personal insult. Rather noting that and hoping that will encourage them to study, out of curiosity or anger doesn't matter they're getting more study.

What is atheist propoganda? Science? Free thought? Questioning authority? I don't see what's wrong with that

[Neanderthaland]

How is this a trap?

If I answer "yes", then you'll get into all sorts of semantics with me to "prove" how ""Islamic"" slavery is different from those other forms of slavery.

If I answer "no", then you'll do a victory screech or some such shit, and howl about how 'islamic slavery truly is better for slaves than any other form of slavery' or some bullshit like that.

You're more transparent than a pane of glass.

The best thing you can really say for Islamic slavery is that you might end up being in charge of all of Egypt.

Or at least you could if Ottoman slavery wasn't basically it's own thing, that only paid lip-service to Islam.

[The Black Forrest]

If I answer "yes", then you'll get into all sorts of semantics with me to "prove" how ""Islamic"" slavery is different from those other forms of slavery.

If I answer "no", then you'll do a victory screech or some such shit, and howl about how 'islamic slavery truly is better for slaves than any other form of slavery' or some bullshit like that.

You're more transparent than a pane of glass.

This is a debate, not a snark match.

Do you know of any other type of slavery that is the same or similar to Islamic slavery?

Irrelevant. Slavery is a bad thing.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How is this a trap?

No

Ok, well I'm not talking about slavery in Muslim societies. This whole topic I've been talking about was slavery according to the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. What made you think I wasn't talking about Islamic slavery?

So you're going to defend a purity standard of Islamic slavery?
I remember when this kind of debate was always over communism.
That's not how this works. The imams of the day seemed to think that the practice of slavery at the time was within the strictures of Islamic law, so you don't get to retroactively declare that it isn't "true Islamic slavery"... just like how leninists don't get to declare that the USSR under Stalin isn't true leninism. I'm not particularly interested in the latter day apologists who slap on additional rights of slaves that weren't recognized by the islamic clerical hierarchy of any actual muslim slave owning society.

Islamic slavery comes from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. Idk what point you're making here besides what looks like you saying that the teachings of Islamic slavery are a lie.

[Cekoviu]

If I answer "yes", then you'll get into all sorts of semantics with me to "prove" how ""Islamic"" slavery is different from those other forms of slavery.

If I answer "no", then you'll do a victory screech or some such shit, and howl about how 'islamic slavery truly is better for slaves than any other form of slavery' or some bullshit like that.

You're more transparent than a pane of glass.

This is a debate, not a snark match.

Literally the same thing tho

[Grenartia]

If I answer "yes", then you'll get into all sorts of semantics with me to "prove" how ""Islamic"" slavery is different from those other forms of slavery.

If I answer "no", then you'll do a victory screech or some such shit, and howl about how 'islamic slavery truly is better for slaves than any other form of slavery' or some bullshit like that.

You're more transparent than a pane of glass.

This is a debate, not a snark match.

This is NSG. To think such a distinction exists here is to delude yourself.

Do you know of any other type of slavery that is the same or similar to Islamic slavery?

Irrelevant question.

[Rojava Free State]

Should slavery/indentured servitude be brought back?

Sure, you first.

You know the roblox death sound? My eardrums just got ruptured by the biggest one in history when i read this

[Diopolis]

If I answer "yes", then you'll get into all sorts of semantics with me to "prove" how ""Islamic"" slavery is different from those other forms of slavery.

If I answer "no", then you'll do a victory screech or some such shit, and howl about how 'islamic slavery truly is better for slaves than any other form of slavery' or some bullshit like that.

You're more transparent than a pane of glass.

This is a debate, not a snark match.

Do you know of any other type of slavery that is the same or similar to Islamic slavery?

Your question has been answered.

[Genivaria]

Should slavery/indentured servitude be brought back?

Sure, you first.

It's telling when someone tries to defend something on a moral basis right up until it applies to them.

[Cekoviu]

So you're going to defend a purity standard of Islamic slavery?
I remember when this kind of debate was always over communism.
That's not how this works. The imams of the day seemed to think that the practice of slavery at the time was within the strictures of Islamic law, so you don't get to retroactively declare that it isn't "true Islamic slavery"... just like how leninists don't get to declare that the USSR under Stalin isn't true leninism. I'm not particularly interested in the latter day apologists who slap on additional rights of slaves that weren't recognized by the islamic clerical hierarchy of any actual muslim slave owning society.

Islamic slavery comes from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. Idk what point you're making here besides what looks like you saying that the teachings of Islamic slavery are a lie.

[cough] they are

[Genivaria]

So you're going to defend a purity standard of Islamic slavery?
I remember when this kind of debate was always over communism.
That's not how this works. The imams of the day seemed to think that the practice of slavery at the time was within the strictures of Islamic law, so you don't get to retroactively declare that it isn't "true Islamic slavery"... just like how leninists don't get to declare that the USSR under Stalin isn't true leninism. I'm not particularly interested in the latter day apologists who slap on additional rights of slaves that weren't recognized by the islamic clerical hierarchy of any actual muslim slave owning society.

Islamic slavery comes from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. Idk what point you're making here besides what looks like you saying that the teachings of Islamic slavery are a lie.

If the shoe fits.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is a debate, not a snark match.

Do you know of any other type of slavery that is the same or similar to Islamic slavery?

Your question has been answered.

Again, I'm not talking about Muslims. I'm asking about Al-Islam. Besides, slaves in Louisiana were heavily mistreated by their masters. This is contrary to the Islamic teachings of "no maltreatment whatsoever, and if you do, the slave can hit you back/you must free your slave".

[Pacomia]

Atheists do have propaganda. Uneducation/Ignorance on the bible is frankly common. I don't see it as a personal insult. Rather noting that and hoping that will encourage them to study, out of curiosity or anger doesn't matter they're getting more study.

What is atheist propoganda? Science? Free thought? Questioning authority? I don't see what's wrong with that

If you're a religious fanatic, you don't need a reason. Everybody who isn't your religion is a stupid heretic who's going to suffer eternally, and your god hates them, and everything they say is false, _{and they're all immoral, and they're blind to the path, and fierguaerhgieghiaehgae, ndfherugheuisgiutg, erghihgrthgrhgte...}

[Grenartia]

Should slavery/indentured servitude be brought back?

Sure, you first.

You know the roblox death sound? My eardrums just got ruptured by the biggest one in history when i read this

I mean, unironically, if you say it should be ok to oppress a group of people, or even that its a necessity to do so, you should first be willing to suffer that fate for yourself.