Should Slavery/Indentured Servitude be brought back?

[The New California Republic]

No.

[Juristonia]

Now this is a good argument as to why I might be in the wrong on this. But arguably, the poorest in our societies don't have much purchasing power anyways. Minimum wage gives enough for just food and some other things, but certainly not enough for rent (without lots of roommates). But in a lot of places, there is a limit on how many people are allowed to rent any one residence or room.

I'd think that the amount of unfree labor relative to free labor wouldn't grow but would remain mostly static. The effect of unfree labor would perhaps mean lower prices for certain goods. But I'd think automation can produce faster and better than any human labor force (paid or unpaid). But not everything can be automated.

Every single post in this thread and the entirety of human history is a good argument as to why you "might" be in the wrong about this.

[Trinadaed]

The worst idea in existence

[Kannap]

Oh boy someone said yes to the poll. Time for a crusade.

I assumed it was OP.

[The New California Republic]

Oh boy someone said yes to the poll. Time for a crusade.

I assumed it was OP.

There are actually two votes. I assume one was OP, and the other a passing troll.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>When the white supremacist makes a thread

No, chattel slavery - or any type of slavery for that matter - shouldn't be brought back now.

[Aclion]

A chunk of the population that just can’t buy consumer goods. Also I remember reading something about the plantations in the south just using slave labor for everything, becoming too self sufficient to really contribute to the local economy

Now this is a good argument as to why I might be in the wrong on this. But arguably, the poorest in our societies don't have much purchasing power anyways. Minimum wage gives enough for just food and some other things, but certainly not enough for rent (without lots of roommates). But in a lot of places, there is a limit on how many people are allowed to rent any one residence or room.

I'd think that the amount of unfree labor relative to free labor wouldn't grow but would remain mostly static. The effect of unfree labor would perhaps mean lower prices for certain goods. But I'd think automation can produce faster and better than any human labor force (paid or unpaid). But not everything can be automated.

And here we see the dangerous result of equating wage labor with slavery.

[Nakena]

>When the white supremacist makes a thread.

No, chattel slavery - or any type of slavery for that matter - shouldn't be brought back now.

Does that include "islamic slavery"?

[The Huskar Social Union]

>When the white supremacist makes a thread.

No, chattel slavery - or any type of slavery for that matter - shouldn't be brought back now.

Does that include "islamic slavery"?

No thats okay, here is 50 links why.

[Saiwania]

I voted that unfree labor is neither inherently good or bad. I'm running this thread partially as a thought experiment from looking to the past for inspiration. It is true that unfree labor is largely seen as immoral and obsolete. But if it still happens on occasion, I do wonder if the reality is actually that it isn't fully obsolete and could have a place in today's world under the right circumstances?

[Hakons]

Give me a gun and point me south, I'm joining up with Sherman's men.

[Heloin]

I voted that unfree labor is neither inherently good or bad. I'm running this thread partially as a thought experiment from looking to the past for inspiration. It is true that unfree labor is largely seen as immoral and obsolete. But if it still happens on occasion, I do wonder if the reality is actually that it isn't fully obsolete and could have a place in today's world under the right circumstances?

That's a real round about way of saying "If it's so bad why is it still around."

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>When the white supremacist makes a thread.

No, chattel slavery - or any type of slavery for that matter - shouldn't be brought back now.

Does that include "islamic slavery"?

No, hence why I said "now". Why'd you put "Islamic slavery" in quotes anyways?

[Bluelight-R006]

I did. I said something to the effect that if I were a slave, I'd benefit from free housing and food, etc- but the trade off would be that I have to do whatever work is assigned to me by my owner. I can't guarantee that this lifestyle wouldn't get old over time, but I'm open minded enough to consider that some people might want to sell themselves off on this basis. With indentured servitude, it could be thought of as temporary instead of permanent slavery. In both cases, you don't get paid for any labor done.

You will also be subjected to beatings, brandings, emotional and psychological abuse on top of all the physical shit, forced to degrade yourself and hey another thing that can happen to you, is you will be raped. Constantly, any time your owners want to rape you.

And you can do nothing about it without marking yourself for death.

"Lifestyle would get old over time", jesus fucking christ

And not all good ‘owners’ will last long too. It’s rare enough to find a gentle heart, but for some unfortunate circumstances, the ‘slave’ may have to be taken to another ‘owner’ where there’s more psychological abuse.

You can always put too much trust in humans. I’d say we would be dumb to put trust that we are caring and respectful in general; because we’ve seen from humans, ourselves, that they are not capable of maintaining decency and morality to someone who they might think ought to give all their lives, devoting themselves to absolute care for their ‘owner.’ After all, they are their slaves.

We’ve also seen that many people cannot control their urge and desire to simply throw their ‘slave’ around like trash. Sure, there are laws on human rights, but can we really expect everyone to comply with those? Don’t even get started on rape.

[Caprinia]

Asides from the obvious argument of slavery being dehumanizing and whatnot, slavery today is unnecessary. Large-scale slavery and serfdom were largely restricted to societies with an abundance of land and resources, but not a lot of people to exploit it (Ancient Rome and Greece, Imperial Russia, etc.). It was also generally limited to areas where tasks could be divided into their simplest form such as plantation-work, mining, salt-works – today, said tasks even in labor-intensive industries are now performed by machines. Not to mention wage labor is more economically-advantageous, since they'd use their disposable income on consumer goods + use it to invest in human capital.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You will also be subjected to beatings, brandings, emotional and psychological abuse on top of all the physical shit, forced to degrade yourself and hey another thing that can happen to you, is you will be raped. Constantly, any time your owners want to rape you.

And you can do nothing about it without marking yourself for death.

"Lifestyle would get old over time", jesus fucking christ

And not all good ‘owners’ will last long too. It’s rare enough to find a gentle heart, but for some unfortunate circumstances, the ‘slave’ may have to be taken to another ‘owner’ where there’s more psychological abuse.

You can always put too much trust in humans. I’d say we would be dumb to put trust that we are caring and respectful in general; because we’ve seen from humans, ourselves, that they are not capable of maintaining decency and morality to someone who they might think ought to give all their lives, devoting themselves to absolute care for their ‘owner.’ After all, they are their slaves.

We’ve also seen that many people cannot control their urge and desire to simply throw their ‘slave’ around like trash. Sure, there are laws on human rights, but can we really expect everyone to comply with those? Don’t even get started on rape.

What you're saying can apply to employees as well. I don't see much difference in your argument if you just replace "slave" with "employee".

[Ghost Land]

I voted that unfree labor is neither inherently good or bad. I'm running this thread partially as a thought experiment from looking to the past for inspiration. It is true that unfree labor is largely seen as immoral and obsolete. But if it still happens on occasion, I do wonder if the reality is actually that it isn't fully obsolete and could have a place in today's world under the right circumstances?

I do think something needs to be done about the homeless and impoverished population; people shouldn't have to live in Third World conditions in First World countries. At the same time, slavery is not the answer. Slaves were seen as little more than the property of their owners, like a pet or a material possession, and as such abuse was rampant. There's no way to make rules against "abusing" "property"; I am well within my rights to throw a book against the wall, smash a broken piece of technology, or rip up a piece of paper. As such, slave owners were well within their rights to beat their slaves or not provide them with adequate food or shelter, and nothing could be done about it. Bad idea. Plus, don't even get me started on the economic impacts of removing a significant percentage of the population from the free market. Slavery benefits only the owner, and that's that.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Why don't you stop posting nazi horseshit and just sort out your family's backyard?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Why don't you stop posting nazi horses*it and just sort out your family's backyard?

^This

[Bluelight-R006]

I voted that unfree labor is neither inherently good or bad.

The fact you show exclusive praise and honor to unfree labor shows you vote that it is inherently good for the economy and society.

I'm running this thread partially as a thought experiment from looking to the past for inspiration.

There is a reason why the past isn’t the present no more. We’ve moved on from the past to advance. Rarely do we look into the past for inspiration. ‘If the past was ‘so good’? Why isn’t it present anymore?’ They always say. So if slavery was so good? Why isn’t it present anymore? Because we have established common ground for morals and decency, for human rights, that slavery isn’t and doesn’t have a right to be allowed.

It is true that unfree labor is largely seen as immoral and obsolete. But if it still happens on occasion, I do wonder if the reality is actually that it isn't fully obsolete and could have a place in today's world under the right circumstances?

There’s a reason many NSGers here vote no in your question, ‘Is slavery good?’ Usually, we’d be in a dispute. But a majority tells me something: That the fact all people share the same opinion, and that it’s likely to the outside world, tells me that slavery is bad is not an opinion or a perspective, but a fact. And it’s really true. Do we need to remind you of the psychological abuse faced by the slaves in the 1800s?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Does that include "islamic slavery"?

No thats okay, here is 50 15 links why.

Ftfy

[Bluelight-R006]

And not all good ‘owners’ will last long too. It’s rare enough to find a gentle heart, but for some unfortunate circumstances, the ‘slave’ may have to be taken to another ‘owner’ where there’s more psychological abuse.

You can always put too much trust in humans. I’d say we would be dumb to put trust that we are caring and respectful in general; because we’ve seen from humans, ourselves, that they are not capable of maintaining decency and morality to someone who they might think ought to give all their lives, devoting themselves to absolute care for their ‘owner.’ After all, they are their slaves.

We’ve also seen that many people cannot control their urge and desire to simply throw their ‘slave’ around like trash. Sure, there are laws on human rights, but can we really expect everyone to comply with those? Don’t even get started on rape.

What you're saying can apply to employees as well. I don't see much difference in your argument if you just replace "slave" with "employee".

Bosses don’t physically harm their employees, don’t they? If they did, we’d be seeing news of it. And there are. Like the female boss in China forcing the employees to crawl. It’s not really the same, but it can be applied that way too.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I voted that unfree labor is neither inherently good or bad.

The fact you show exclusive praise and honor to unfree labor shows you vote that it is inherently good for the economy and society.

I'm running this thread partially as a thought experiment from looking to the past for inspiration.

There is a reason why the past isn’t the present no more. We’ve moved on from the past to advance. Rarely do we look into the past for inspiration. ‘If the past was ‘so good’? Why isn’t it present anymore?’ They always say. So if slavery was so good? Why isn’t it present anymore? Because we have established common ground for morals and decency, for human rights, that slavery isn’t and doesn’t have a right to be allowed.

It is true that unfree labor is largely seen as immoral and obsolete. But if it still happens on occasion, I do wonder if the reality is actually that it isn't fully obsolete and could have a place in today's world under the right circumstances?

There’s a reason many NSGers here vote no in your question, ‘Is slavery good?’ Usually, we’d be in a dispute. But a majority tells me something: That the fact all people share the same opinion, and that it’s likely to the outside world, tells me that slavery is bad is not an opinion or a perspective, but a fact. And it’s really true. Do we need to remind you of the psychological abuse faced by the slaves in the 1800s?

Not tryna play devil's advocate here but a majority opinion is still an opinion. It doesn't become a fact just because a lot of people believe it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What you're saying can apply to employees as well. I don't see much difference in your argument if you just replace "slave" with "employee".

Bosses don’t physically harm their employees, don’t they? If they did, we’d be seeing news of it. And there are. Like the female boss in China forcing the employees to crawl. It’s not really the same, but it can be applied that way too.

You're proving my point.

[Caracasus]

Tell you what, we'll have a poll and anyone who reckons that slavery should be bought back spends the rest of their lives scraping out septic tanks and clearing dogshit off the pavements for no money.