Should Slavery/Indentured Servitude be brought back?

[Kannap]

My theory is that if a slave left behind a bad situation and actually managed to escape and avoid all patrols or risks of recapture, that they deserve their freedom in that they can be said to have earned it. If I owned slaves, I only want to recoup around double what I paid for them, beyond that- I don't want to keep them if they genuinely don't want to stay. I'd set such people free, but selling them to someone else would be easier if they're a low earner objectively speaking.

It's nothing personal, the aim after all is to just to get free labor/help right?

Every time you post and I read the words I'm left astonished and flabbergasted, to be honest.

[San Lumen]

My theory is that if a slave left behind a bad situation and actually managed to escape and avoid all patrols or risks of recapture, that they deserve their freedom in that they can be said to have earned it. If I owned slaves, I only want to recoup around double what I paid for them, beyond that- I don't want to keep them if they genuinely don't want to stay. I'd set such people free, but selling them to someone else would be easier if they're a low earner objectively speaking.

It's nothing personal, the aim after all is to just to get free labor/help right?

You have read a history book or were taught history in school correct? You are aware of the conditions African Americans faced in the slave states. Its not like we fought the bloodiest most brutal war in our history over it and passed the 13th amendment to outlaw slavery from the land.

I knew you were white supremacist but thus is truly stunning even for you and not something I thought I'd ever see any post.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

My theory is that if a slave left behind a bad situation and actually managed to escape and avoid all patrols or risks of recapture, that they deserve their freedom in that they can be said to have earned it. If I owned slaves, I only want to recoup around double what I paid for them, beyond that- I don't want to keep them if they genuinely don't want to stay. I'd set such people free, but selling them to someone else would be easier if they're a low earner objectively speaking.

It's nothing personal, the aim after all is to just to get free labor/help right?

You have read a history book or were taught history in school correct? You are aware of the conditions African Americans faced in the slave states. Its not like we fought the bloodiest most brutal war in our history over it and passed the 13th amendment to outlaw slavery from the land.

I knew you were white supremacist but thus is truly stunning even for you and not something I thought I'd ever see any post.

Only read the latter posts of the thread, but did he actually mention the color of the people he'd enslave?

[Nova Cyberia]

The Great Pyramids of Giza are rumored to have used slave labor for its construction. Would those great monuments that stood the test of time, exist in the absense of slavery existing in Ancient Egypt?

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Which, according to the Bible, is why god led the Jews out of Egypt. Cuz it was bad.

Even if that biblical narrative is wrong, that changes nothing about the moral atrocity it is.

The great irony of this all is that Sai is a self-admitted NEET. He contributes nothing to society, so he'd probably be one of the first ones to be enslaved if the system was brought back.

[Kannap]

The Great Pyramids of Giza are rumored to have used slave labor for its construction. Would those great monuments that stood the test of time, exist in the absense of slavery existing in Ancient Egypt?

Grasping for literally every straw you see for even the slightest justification in hopes that we all just give up and say "Hell yeah, slavery is sweet and sexy!"

Slavery is awful, it's horrible, always has been. You can grab every instance of slavery in history and I'll tell you the same thing.

[Salandriagado]

The Great Pyramids of Giza are rumored to have used slave labor for its construction. Would those great monuments that stood the test of time, exist in the absense of slavery existing in Ancient Egypt?

Rumoured, incorrectly.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The Great Pyramids of Giza are rumored to have used slave labor for its construction. Would those great monuments that stood the test of time, exist in the absense of slavery existing in Ancient Egypt?

Yes, they could have been built without slaves, and there is evidence that the workers were not slaves anyway.

[Nova Cyberia]

Well, at least 86% of NSG thinks slavery is bad.

But it's not enough.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No.

I think you just answered the thread, well done.

[Saiwania]

I suppose I'll concede defeat on this. It brings me shame that I chose this as my "hill to die on" for even a moment- if objectively speaking- unfree labor isn't so great for either society or the economy. I figured that the slavers that were arrested in the UK had their reasons for doing what they did- they obviously got greedy and didn't want to pay any fair wage. It must've delivered some benefit to them, albeit at the expense of those unfortunate Polish workers. There are plenty of other situations within Capitalism that're predatory in nature- in that one party derives more if not all of the gains, and the other party gets a raw deal or left with peanuts.

[Nova Cyberia]

I suppose I'll concede defeat on this. It brings me shame that I chose this as my "hill to die on" for even a moment- if objectively speaking- unfree labor isn't so great for either society or the economy. I figured that the slavers that were arrested in the UK had their reasons for doing what they did- they obviously got greedy and didn't want to pay any fair wage. It must've delivered some benefit to them, albeit at the expense of those unfortunate Polish workers. There are plenty of other situations within Capitalism that're predatory in nature- in that one party derives more if not all of the gains, and the other party gets a raw deal or left with peanuts.

Did you really expect many people to agree with you?

[The South Falls]

I suppose I'll concede defeat on this. It brings me shame that I chose this as my "hill to die on" for even a moment- if objectively speaking- unfree labor isn't so great for either society or the economy. I figured that the slavers that were arrested in the UK had their reasons for doing what they did- they obviously got greedy and didn't want to pay any fair wage. It must've delivered some benefit to them, albeit at the expense of those unfortunate Polish workers. There are plenty of other situations within Capitalism that're predatory in nature- in that one party derives more if not all of the gains, and the other party gets a raw deal or left with peanuts.

Finally, some sense. Except for "isn't that great" it's absolutely detrimental to people.

[The South Falls]

I suppose I'll concede defeat on this. It brings me shame that I chose this as my "hill to die on" for even a moment- if objectively speaking- unfree labor isn't so great for either society or the economy. I figured that the slavers that were arrested in the UK had their reasons for doing what they did- they obviously got greedy and didn't want to pay any fair wage. It must've delivered some benefit to them, albeit at the expense of those unfortunate Polish workers. There are plenty of other situations within Capitalism that're predatory in nature- in that one party derives more if not all of the gains, and the other party gets a raw deal or left with peanuts.

At least you're man enough to admit defeat on this...after about 20 pages and wasting our time.

tbf, we didn't have to be here

[Hammer Britannia]

I suppose I'll concede defeat on this. It brings me shame that I chose this as my "hill to die on" for even a moment- if objectively speaking- unfree labor isn't so great for either society or the economy. I figured that the slavers that were arrested in the UK had their reasons for doing what they did- they obviously got greedy and didn't want to pay any fair wage. It must've delivered some benefit to them, albeit at the expense of those unfortunate Polish workers. There are plenty of other situations within Capitalism that're predatory in nature- in that one party derives more if not all of the gains, and the other party gets a raw deal or left with peanuts.

Did you really expect many people to agree with you?

I mean, it's NSG.

You could have a thread stating "It's bad to rape children" and someone would disagree with you

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Did you really expect many people to agree with you?

I mean, it's NSG.

You could have a thread stating "It's bad to rape children" and someone would disagree with you

No you couldn't, pedo threads are actually banned outright.

[Hammer Britannia]

I mean, it's NSG.

You could have a thread stating "It's bad to rape children" and someone would disagree with you

No you couldn't, pedo threads are actually banned outright.

I was talking in theory. In practice, your thread would get locked before anyone could disagree

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Did you really expect many people to agree with you?

I mean, it's NSG.

You could have a thread stating "It's bad to rape children" and someone would disagree with you

Assuming it does not get locked first.

[Saiwania]

Did you really expect many people to agree with you?

It was a good and interesting discussion in my view, about unfree labor's pros/cons. Its a unique thought experiment that I'm happy with for the most part. The poll showed us some insight as to how strong and weak the pro/anti side is now. In 1860, I bet it'd have been much more evenly split; which is probably why Bleeding Kansas was a thing.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Did you really expect many people to agree with you?

It was a good and interesting discussion in my view, about unfree labor's pros/cons. Its a unique thought experiment that I'm happy with for the most part. The poll showed us some insight as to how strong and weak the pro/anti side is now. In 1860, I bet it'd have been much more evenly split; which is probably why Bleeding Kansas was a thing.

I wonder who the 16 people who support slavery in the poll are. Not many have commented here.

[Dekks]

I'm gonna post a very insightfull argument and idea here which no-one has brought up yet.

Slavery is bad and you should be ashamed of asking.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I was talking in theory. In practice, your thread would get locked before anyone could disagree

No you couldn't, pedo threads are actually banned outright.

Oh ok.

Woulda been funny if someone outed themselves tho, then we could have called the FBI.

I think they even lock threads about changing age of consent laws now...dumb rule but that goes for most rules around here.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm gonna post a very insightfull argument and idea here which no-one has brought up yet.

Slavery is bad and you should be ashamed of asking.

Well, nobody should be ashamed of making a discussion, but slavery is bad.

[Kannap]

At least you're man enough to admit defeat on this...after about 20 pages and wasting our time.

tbf, we didn't have to be here

What else were we gonna do all day?

[Saiwania]

Only Sai has. Maybe they posted support for shits and giggles.

I swear that I chose the "Neither" good or bad option. Although in my main posts, I attempted to see slavery from the best possible light, because the abolitionist view is too entrenched as the "default" view that has won historically up until now. I figured I should argue slavery's few merits for more of a challenge.