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Economically or Societally speaking, unfree labor is...

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:23 am

San Lumen wrote:
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I've lived for too long at this point, and from general life experience; I've concluded that non-White women can be equally as beautiful. I'm not immune to being tempted, but I still have the discipline to make the right choices from my perspective. The women aren't inferior if they're not White in and of itself and it isn't their fault if they were born into a different racial group.

It is simply more a matter of me choosing to safeguard our lineages and keep our genetics in a less corrupted state, which wouldn't be the case if I just race mixed like too many people do nowadays.

Who cares if there is racial mixing? What does it matter?


Evidently Saiwania does.
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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:24 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Who cares if there is racial mixing? What does it matter?


Evidently Saiwania does.

Anyone who really supports "muh ancestorism" does. I don't get why you can't understand that this exists.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:24 am

Owning a person or owning their labor inherently creates an unequal relationship that cannot be based on mutual consent, respect, and understanding, and as such, is immoral.
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Postby Dogmeat » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:25 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Who cares if there is racial mixing? What does it matter?


Evidently Saiwania does.

He should certainly be anti-slavery then. Since that has historically produced a hell of a lot of less-than-consensual race mixing.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:25 am

Dogmeat wrote:You have to sort of read the undertone of Sai's comment as "the reason I don't have a girlfriend is..." It's because of his Strong Moral Principals, and for no other reason.


No, its because of personal failures. Namely my unemployment and how my personality is. The racism is just ideological for me. I believe in race and if I'm White and value this, I'm not going to undermine my own. I'm upset enough that primarily majority White countries are becoming more diverse, but the same isn't true of majority non-White countries. I don't like the state of global migration trends one bit.
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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:26 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Owning a person or owning their labor inherently creates an unequal relationship that cannot be based on mutual consent, respect, and understanding, and as such, is immoral.

Who gives a shit about morality.

Slavery is here to stay until full automation...in which case we will witness mass extermination of "useless humans".
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:26 am

EastKekistan wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Evidently Saiwania does.

Anyone who really supports "muh ancestorism" does. I don't get why you can't understand that this exists.


I too can't understand falsehoods, they just vex me so...
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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:27 am

Telconi wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:Anyone who really supports "muh ancestorism" does. I don't get why you can't understand that this exists.


I too can't understand falsehoods, they just vex me so...


I know. I don't like "muh ancestorism" either because....ancestors are dead!
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:28 am

EastKekistan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Owning a person or owning their labor inherently creates an unequal relationship that cannot be based on mutual consent, respect, and understanding, and as such, is immoral.

Who gives a shit about morality.

Slavery is here to stay until full automation...in which case we will witness mass extermination of "useless humans".

Most people give a shit about morality because everyone realizes that standards of morality benefit everyone.
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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:29 am

Saiwania wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:You have to sort of read the undertone of Sai's comment as "the reason I don't have a girlfriend is..." It's because of his Strong Moral Principals, and for no other reason.


No, its because of personal failures. Namely my unemployment and how my personality is. The racism is just ideological for me. I believe in race and if I'm White and value this, I'm not going to undermine my own. I'm upset enough that primarily majority White countries are becoming more diverse, but the same isn't true of majority non-White countries. I don't like the state of global migration trends one bit.

I understand. Diversity and republicanism don't mix. What you said is basically "Don't transform my republic into an empire".

We will leave after dictators in China and North Korea are gone. NE Asia is increasingly developed these days.

As long as you don't try to exterminate the NE Asian race we are good.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:29 am

Saiwania wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:You have to sort of read the undertone of Sai's comment as "the reason I don't have a girlfriend is..." It's because of his Strong Moral Principals, and for no other reason.


No, its because of personal failures. Namely my unemployment and how my personality is. The racism is just ideological for me. I believe in race and if I'm White and value this, I'm not going to undermine my own. I'm upset enough that primarily majority White countries are becoming more diverse, but the same isn't true of majority non-White countries. I don't like the state of global migration trends one bit.


Pretty sure 90+% of people consider being a racist a personal failure.

Just sayin'
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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:30 am

Telconi wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
No, its because of personal failures. Namely my unemployment and how my personality is. The racism is just ideological for me. I believe in race and if I'm White and value this, I'm not going to undermine my own. I'm upset enough that primarily majority White countries are becoming more diverse, but the same isn't true of majority non-White countries. I don't like the state of global migration trends one bit.


Pretty sure 90+% of people consider being a racist a personal failure.

Just sayin'

Only in the West and Africa.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:32 am

EastKekistan wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Pretty sure 90+% of people consider being a racist a personal failure.

Just sayin'

Only in the West and Africa.

He lives in the West, so…
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:33 am

Saiwania wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:You have to sort of read the undertone of Sai's comment as "the reason I don't have a girlfriend is..." It's because of his Strong Moral Principals, and for no other reason.


No, its because of personal failures. Namely my unemployment and how my personality is. The racism is just ideological for me. I believe in race and if I'm White and value this, I'm not going to undermine my own. I'm upset enough that primarily majority White countries are becoming more diverse, but the same isn't true of majority non-White countries. I don't like the state of global migration trends one bit.

Most non-white countries are diverse so you're flat out wrong.
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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:33 am

Kowani wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:Only in the West and Africa.

He lives in the West, so…

In NE Asia people can be proud ethnonats who want to exterminate foreign peoples and that won't harm their social standing a bit lol.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:33 am

No, slavery is morally repulsive in all forms and should be totally banned.
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That's more of an indictment against modern capitalist economies then an argument for slavery.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:33 am

EastKekistan wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
No, its because of personal failures. Namely my unemployment and how my personality is. The racism is just ideological for me. I believe in race and if I'm White and value this, I'm not going to undermine my own. I'm upset enough that primarily majority White countries are becoming more diverse, but the same isn't true of majority non-White countries. I don't like the state of global migration trends one bit.

I understand. Diversity and republicanism don't mix. What you said is basically "Don't transform my republic into an empire".

We will leave after dictators in China and North Korea are gone. NE Asia is increasingly developed these days.

As long as you don't try to exterminate the NE Asian race we are good.

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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:34 am

Kowani wrote:He lives in the West, so…


Not everyone is okay with the state of immigration nor should they. I'm going to do what I can in helping Donald Trump's efforts to turn away most if not all of the central americans that keep arriving at the US border. I flat out don't want them and I won't care that they want into the country.
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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:34 am

Heloin wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:I understand. Diversity and republicanism don't mix. What you said is basically "Don't transform my republic into an empire".

We will leave after dictators in China and North Korea are gone. NE Asia is increasingly developed these days.

As long as you don't try to exterminate the NE Asian race we are good.

When two racists collide.

I know he will accept this lol. Our interests don't conflict with that of WNs. What I like the most about WNs is that they don't try to prevent us from grabbing resources anywhere outside the White homelands. So there will be no conflict. :)
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Postby Khataiy » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:35 am

Dogmeat wrote:
Khataiy wrote:I don't think people answered the poll honestly, it asked objectively speaking (your morals aside) is unfree labor good or bad economically, it obviously is good economically.

Well no. Since paid laborers can't compete with slave wages, it forces paid workers out of every job in which slaves are used. Creating an underclass of free, but unemployable and poor, workers.

If you look at the American South during slavery, although there was vast wealth concentrated in plantation owners, the vast majority of free White people were poorer then their Northern counterparts.

It could motivate them to seeker higher education/employment. It's the same thing with AI which I do oppose which would also remove jobs in a similar manner from a lot more than just under educated/low paid laborers. This is also the same argument people use to support illegal immigration saying its cheaper to pay illegals whilst natives lose their jobs due to not being able to compete with their rates.

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Postby Caracasus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:35 am

Heloin wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:I understand. Diversity and republicanism don't mix. What you said is basically "Don't transform my republic into an empire".

We will leave after dictators in China and North Korea are gone. NE Asia is increasingly developed these days.

As long as you don't try to exterminate the NE Asian race we are good.

When two racists collide.


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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:36 am

Khataiy wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Well no. Since paid laborers can't compete with slave wages, it forces paid workers out of every job in which slaves are used. Creating an underclass of free, but unemployable and poor, workers.

If you look at the American South during slavery, although there was vast wealth concentrated in plantation owners, the vast majority of free White people were poorer then their Northern counterparts.

It could motivate them to seeker higher education/employment. It's the same thing with AI which I do oppose which would also remove jobs in a similar manner from a lot more than just under educated/low paid laborers. This is also the same argument people use to support illegal immigration saying its cheaper to pay illegals whilst natives lose their jobs due to not being able to compete with their rates.

Who supports illegal immigration?
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:36 am

Saiwania wrote:
Kowani wrote:He lives in the West, so…


Not everyone is okay with the state of immigration nor should they. I'm going to do what I can in helping Donald Trump's efforts to turn away most if not all of the central americans that keep arriving at the US border. I flat out don't want them and I won't care that they want into the country.

As a WN, don’t you also have to advocate the expulsion of those who are already there, as well as black people? ‘Cause you’re not gonna win that battle.
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Postby Khataiy » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:37 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Khataiy wrote:It could motivate them to seeker higher education/employment. It's the same thing with AI which I do oppose which would also remove jobs in a similar manner from a lot more than just under educated/low paid laborers. This is also the same argument people use to support illegal immigration saying its cheaper to pay illegals whilst natives lose their jobs due to not being able to compete with their rates.

Who supports illegal immigration?

I've seen people say that illegal immigration is good because you can pay illegal immigrants less than native workers, it was on television.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:38 am

Kowani wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Not everyone is okay with the state of immigration nor should they. I'm going to do what I can in helping Donald Trump's efforts to turn away most if not all of the central americans that keep arriving at the US border. I flat out don't want them and I won't care that they want into the country.

As a WN, don’t you also have to advocate the expulsion of those who are already there, as well as black people? ‘Cause you’re not gonna win that battle.

As a WN he should go back to whoever in Europe his ancestors came from.
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