Should Slavery/Indentured Servitude be brought back?

[Greater Cesnica]

Again, not every job can be replaced by automation. Think pilots, or air traffic controllers, or plumbers, or doctors, or architects, or lawyers, or electricians, firemen, police officers, paramedics, etc. etc. etc.

Robocop would like a word with you.

Robocop would be terrified of an AA-12.

[Saiwania]

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

It could be. But something that's been suggested is that automation could instead be an opportunity to make nearly everyone a capitalist beyond simply a wage worker. If nearly everyone owns a miniature factory of whatever (some means of production) they can produce their own share of resources and from there, people will just trade amongst themselves as has always happened.

It can't be denied that machines can usually produce stuff with more precision and at a faster rate, despite what people can do.

[Kannap]

Listen, I've played Detroit: Become Human and the future looks rad as fuck.

You clearly weren’t paying attention while playing the game. It was a warning

I dunno, I successfully led an android revolution and conquered Detroit and the President of the United States just let us have Michigan. I consider it a sweet victory. Good game, 10/10 IGN.

[Greater Cesnica]

You clearly weren’t paying attention while playing the game. It was a warning

I dunno, I successfully led an android revolution and conquered Detroit and the President of the United States just let us have Michigan. I consider it a sweet victory. Good game, 10/10 IGN.

Best endings: Nuke ending and Escape ending.

[Kannap]

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

It could be. But something that's been suggested is that automation could instead be an opportunity to make nearly everyone a capitalist beyond simply a wage worker. If nearly everyone owns a miniature factory of whatever (some means of production) they can produce their own share of resources and from there, people will just trade amongst themselves as has always happened.

It can't be denied that machines can usually produce stuff with more precision and at a faster rate, despite what people can do.

Everybody owning the means of production? Capitalism? Are we on the same page or am I lost?

[Dooom35796821595]

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

Again, not every job can be replaced by automation. Think pilots, or air traffic controllers, or plumbers, or doctors, or architects, or lawyers, or electricians, firemen, police officers, paramedics, etc. etc. etc.

Commercial flights are already largely autopilot, the F-35 may be the last manned fighter, air traffic control can be largely automated with a few people in the larger airports, especially if the flights are autopilot. Doctors are being assisted by AI to help diagnose and balance their prescriptions, 90% of legal work is repetitive research into precedent or paperwork and can be done by software, and AI would be able to design buildings as well as an architect.

And those other jobs need more innovation in robotics before they are threatened, but it is possible.

[Thermodolia]

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

Again, not every job can be replaced by automation. Think pilots, or air traffic controllers,

Drones.

or plumbers, or doctors,

Maybe

or architects, or lawyers,

Computers can easily replace those.

or electricians, firemen, police officers, paramedics, etc. etc. etc.

All of those can be automated as well

[Saiwania]

And corrupted genetics? Mixing blood is actually vital. It makes folks more awesome and more important, prevents inbreeding. The curse, that struck Habsburgs. I say, gotta keep the gene pool bigger.

If I'm reproducing, I want a specific result. Race mixing results in a child that won't be of my racial group, or won't look similar to me and it defeats the entire purpose. In the long run, it is screwing up my family tree as well as the woman's. What will her family think if she didn't stick to her racial group? Unfair for me and her in my view. It is for the best that I abstain from that sort of thing, even if the result is that I have no children.

The silver lining is that my twin sister reproduced successfully within her race, so the line can continue without my involvement. I can pretend that it's "mission accomplished" for myself.

Usually a racial group is large enough as to have virtually no risk for imbreeding. It's simply not true that people should race mix by default.

[Thermodolia]

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

It could be. But something that's been suggested is that automation could instead be an opportunity to make nearly everyone a capitalist beyond simply a wage worker.

Ah yes let’s tell the socialist that automation will make everyone capitalist! That will surely convince them!!

If nearly everyone owns a miniature factory of whatever (some means of production) they can produce their own share of resources and from there, people will just trade amongst themselves as has always happened.

Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahaha

No. They only people owning anything will be the super rich. The rest of us will be fucked.

It can't be denied that machines can usually produce stuff with more precision and at a faster rate, despite what people can do.

And what use are the working class if machines can do shit better? Automation is a capitalists dream

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Exactly! We are heading into an age of automation, where manufacturing jobs can be mostly taken over by machines. Of course, there's the downside of loss of jobs. Solution? Move to a skilled or technical trade where you can't automate the process, where people are required.

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

I think you’re being a bit hyperbolic there, Therm. We don’t fully know how automation is gonna play out in the future so there’s no need to jump to the worst case scenario.

[Thermodolia]

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

I think you’re being a bit hyperbolic there, Therm. We don’t fully know how automation is gonna play out in the future so there’s no need to jump to the worst case scenario.

If we prepare for the worst case scenario we won’t be surprised and caught off guard when it happens

[Khataiy]

I don't think people answered the poll honestly, it asked objectively speaking (your morals aside) is unfree labor good or bad economically, it obviously is good economically.

[EastKekistan]

I don't think people answered the poll honestly, it asked objectively speaking (your morals aside) is unfree labor good or bad economically, it obviously is good economically.

Not necessarily.

Unfree labor can be seen as a moderate and primitive version of automation which increases profit by reducing labor costs at the expense of increased supervision costs and reduced quality. Assuming that overall it is actually profitable then it is good for businesses and awful for free labor.

What do you think about globalization of the economy? If you are consistent then you either support both or oppose both.

[San Lumen]

You clearly weren’t paying attention while playing the game. It was a warning

I dunno, I successfully led an android revolution and conquered Detroit and the President of the United States just let us have Michigan. I consider it a sweet victory. Good game, 10/10 IGN.

I got the best ending. Everyone lives and androids get equal rights

[Salandriagado]

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

Again, not every job can be replaced by automation. Think pilots, or air traffic controllers, or plumbers, or doctors, or architects, or lawyers, or electricians, firemen, police officers, paramedics, etc. etc. etc.

Your list of examples is fucking awful. Most of them are on the list of "easiest to automate jobs".

[Kannap]

I dunno, I successfully led an android revolution and conquered Detroit and the President of the United States just let us have Michigan. I consider it a sweet victory. Good game, 10/10 IGN.

I got the best ending. Everyone lives and androids get equal rights

If by "best" ending you mean boring, peaceful, non-revolutionary ending. Sure.

[Saiwania]

And what use are the working class if machines can do shit better? Automation is a capitalists dream

The proposal is to enlarge the owner class to gradually include everyone over time and to do away with the need for a working class.

Isn't the dream of a lot of people to use automation as a means of making the need for an actual job obsolete and to have nearly every one of our needs met at low to no cost if technology enables everything to be so plentiful and we all live like kings?

[Kannap]

And corrupted genetics? Mixing blood is actually vital. It makes folks more awesome and more important, prevents inbreeding. The curse, that struck Habsburgs. I say, gotta keep the gene pool bigger.

If I'm reproducing, I want a specific result. Race mixing results in a child that won't be of my racial group, or won't look similar to me and it defeats the entire purpose. In the long run, it is screwing up my family tree as well as the woman's. What will her family think if she didn't stick to her racial group? Unfair for me and her in my view. It is for the best that I abstain from that sort of thing, even if the result is that I have no children.

The silver lining is that my twin sister reproduced successfully within her race, so the line can continue without my involvement. I can pretend that it's "mission accomplished" for myself.

Usually a racial group is large enough as to have virtually no risk for imbreeding. It's simply not true that people should race mix by default.

This sounds like one Hell of a chore and a burden, honestly. Glad I don't have your silly mindset and worries.

[EastKekistan]

And what use are the working class if machines can do shit better? Automation is a capitalists dream

The proposal is to enlarge the owner class to gradually include everyone over time. Isn't the dream of a lot of people to use automation as a means of making the need for an actual job obsolete and to have nearly every one of our needs met at low to no cost if technology enables everything to be so plentiful and we all live like kings?

Infeasible due to HBD.

What you said is more likely to increase the amount of people who live like tropical hunter-gatherers compared to entrepreneurs for the former is historically a lot more common than the latter. Robin Hanson named what I described "forager morals".

You essentially assumed that everyone on this planet has what Robin Hanson named "farmer morals" which is of course wrong.

[Dogmeat]

I don't think people answered the poll honestly, it asked objectively speaking (your morals aside) is unfree labor good or bad economically, it obviously is good economically.

Well no. Since paid laborers can't compete with slave wages, it forces paid workers out of every job in which slaves are used. Creating an underclass of free, but unemployable and poor, workers.

If you look at the American South during slavery, although there was vast wealth concentrated in plantation owners, the vast majority of free White people were poorer then their Northern counterparts.

[EastKekistan]

I don't think people answered the poll honestly, it asked objectively speaking (your morals aside) is unfree labor good or bad economically, it obviously is good economically.

Well no. Since paid laborers can't compete with slave wages, it forces paid workers out of every job in which slaves are used. Creating an underclass of free, but unemployable and poor, workers.

If you look at the American South during slavery, although there was vast wealth concentrated in plantation owners, the vast majority of free White people were poorer then their Northern counterparts.

Exactly. Anti-slavery is essentially an eco leftist, pro-poor demand, just like closed borders and tariffs.

PS:

Socialism and social prudism of either trad or SJ kind are usually buddies.

So are capitalism and social libertinism.

[San Lumen]

OP is a white supremacist he only dates white girls

I've lived for too long at this point, and from general life experience; I've concluded that non-White women can be equally as beautiful. I'm not immune to being tempted, but I still have the discipline to make the right choices from my perspective. The women aren't inferior if they're not White in and of itself and it isn't their fault if they were born into a different racial group.

It is simply more a matter of me choosing to safeguard our lineages and keep our genetics in a less corrupted state, which wouldn't be the case if I just race mixed like too many people do nowadays.

Who cares if there is racial mixing? What does it matter?

[EastKekistan]

I've lived for too long at this point, and from general life experience; I've concluded that non-White women can be equally as beautiful. I'm not immune to being tempted, but I still have the discipline to make the right choices from my perspective. The women aren't inferior if they're not White in and of itself and it isn't their fault if they were born into a different racial group.

It is simply more a matter of me choosing to safeguard our lineages and keep our genetics in a less corrupted state, which wouldn't be the case if I just race mixed like too many people do nowadays.

Who cares if there is racial mixing? What does it matter?

You and him are psychologically very different from each other. He is someone I would call a trad. It's actually more consistent for trads to be ethnonats compared to say, religious or ideological trads because doctrines of any ideology often significantly differs from how it is practiced traditionally. If you get sufficiently serious about an ideology you may become a Puritan or a Wahhabi and you will be really hated by libs and trads alike.

Saiwania socially should fit into the Middle East well. A lot of people there have similar views....about marriages outside the extended family.

[Dogmeat]

I've lived for too long at this point, and from general life experience; I've concluded that non-White women can be equally as beautiful. I'm not immune to being tempted, but I still have the discipline to make the right choices from my perspective. The women aren't inferior if they're not White in and of itself and it isn't their fault if they were born into a different racial group.

It is simply more a matter of me choosing to safeguard our lineages and keep our genetics in a less corrupted state, which wouldn't be the case if I just race mixed like too many people do nowadays.

Who cares if there is racial mixing? What does it matter?

You have to sort of read the undertone of Sai's comment as "the reason I don't have a girlfriend is..."

It's because of his Strong Moral Principals, and for no other reason.

[EastKekistan]

Who cares if there is racial mixing? What does it matter?

You have to sort of read the undertone of Sai's comment as "the reason I don't have a girlfriend is..."

It's because of his Strong Moral Principals, and for no other reason.

Please don't insult him.