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Economically or Societally speaking, unfree labor is...

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:11 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Skyhooked wrote:beautiful slave ladies of all races

OP is a white supremacist he only dates white girls

I'm in a relationship with a white girl. Where's my Vanguard America honorary membership?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:12 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Fuck that! We should be doing away with prison labor not bring slavery back.

The fact that people unironically support Sai on this is mind-boggling.

Thankfully the number of people who find slavery reprehensible overwhelmingly outnumber those who don’t.
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Saiwania wrote:I've walked around my family's backyard and know that they can't afford to pay a professional landscaper an actual salary, but they can afford to host one or more individuals; and yard help is clearly needed.


Ask for volunteers. Duh.


Or, most likely the best scenario: Take care of your own yard. Rereading OP's statement now and it doesn't make sense. Most people can't afford professional landscapers, you know what we do? Tend to our own yards.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:12 am

Saiwania wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:OP is a white supremacist he only dates white girls


I've lived for too long at this point, and from general life experience; I've concluded that non-White women can be equally as beautiful. I'm not immune to being tempted, but I still have the discipline to make the right choices from my perspective. The women aren't inferior if they're not White in and of itself and it isn't their fault if they were born into a different racial group.

It is simply more a matter of me choosing to safeguard our lineages and keep our genetics in a less corrupted state, which wouldn't be the case if I just race mixed like too many people do nowadays.

I'm a filthy Pakistani-Canadian dating a European-descent white girl :p
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:13 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:You have an idealised conception of slavery if you think that abuse is unlikely. Your average slave master would not be a combination of personal trainer, social support and confidant. Relatively few may engage in the most heinous kinds of abuse, but a position whereby one individual is granted ownership over another is not particularly well balanced in terms of protecting the wellbeing of the owned party, especially in areas of life behind closed doors without the possibility of outside scrutiny.

Its because he would of course be the slave master in his ideal world, and when he beats his slaves and hurts them its because he cares, but of course he would never go to hurt them in the first place.

He would be the ideal lovable master whose slaves would look up to him.

Sounds like my parents. “We only beat you because we love you”
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Its because he would of course be the slave master in his ideal world, and when he beats his slaves and hurts them its because he cares, but of course he would never go to hurt them in the first place.

He would be the ideal lovable master whose slaves would look up to him.

Sounds like my parents. “We only beat you because we love you”

Parents: *Takes the vacuum wire to you*

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:16 am

Saiwania wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:OP is a white supremacist he only dates white girls


I've lived for too long at this point, and from general life experience; I've concluded that non-White women can be equally as beautiful. I'm not immune to being tempted, but I still have the discipline to make the right choices from my perspective. The women aren't inferior if they're not White in and of itself and it isn't their fault if they were born into a different racial group.

It is simply more a matter of me choosing to safeguard our lineages and keep our genetics in a less corrupted state, which wouldn't be the case if I just race mixed like too many people do nowadays.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:17 am

Saiwania wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:What the fuck. No????? How are people asking this in 2019? Slavery is a cruel and inhumane practice, not to mention it's a burden on the economy. Just no, Christ. Leave slavery to the 18th and 19th centuries.


Slavery is relevant in that it still happens. It's formally outlawed in every country (which is quite an accomplishment, because nations generally don't agree to any one thing), but at least some people wind up in that situation or go about trying to exploit this type of labor.

In the UK, 400 people from Poland were basically promised a high paying job that was too good to be true, and once they were there, their IDs and etc. were confiscated and they were effectively made slaves, until they got freed by the UK's police.

And we should be working to liberate the workers from their capitalist oppressors, not enslave them
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Postby Skyhooked » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:20 am

Saiwania wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:OP is a white supremacist he only dates white girls


I've lived for too long at this point, and from general life experience; I've concluded that non-White women can be equally as beautiful. I'm not immune to being tempted, but I still have the discipline to make the right choices from my perspective. The women aren't inferior if they're not White in and of itself and it isn't their fault if they were born into a different racial group.

It is simply more a matter of me choosing to safeguard our lineages and keep our genetics in a less corrupted state, which wouldn't be the case if I just race mixed like too many people do nowadays.


Lineage? Sure, it's awesome! But dude, who needs that in our modern age... Except monarchs of course (Not to say, that they are bad folks or something...)? And corrupted genetics? Mixing blood is actually vital. It makes folks more awesome and more important, prevents inbreeding. The curse, that struck Habsburgs. I say, gotta keep the gene pool bigger.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:20 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Slavery is relevant in that it still happens. It's formally outlawed in every country (which is quite an accomplishment, because nations generally don't agree to any one thing), but at least some people wind up in that situation or go about trying to exploit this type of labor.

In the UK, 400 people from Poland were basically promised a high paying job that was too good to be true, and once they were there, their IDs and etc. were confiscated and they were effectively made slaves, until they got freed by the UK's police.

And we should be working to liberate the workers from their capitalist oppressors, not enslave them

And here I thought that Sai cared for the plight of white people...?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:21 am

Skyhooked wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I've lived for too long at this point, and from general life experience; I've concluded that non-White women can be equally as beautiful. I'm not immune to being tempted, but I still have the discipline to make the right choices from my perspective. The women aren't inferior if they're not White in and of itself and it isn't their fault if they were born into a different racial group.

It is simply more a matter of me choosing to safeguard our lineages and keep our genetics in a less corrupted state, which wouldn't be the case if I just race mixed like too many people do nowadays.


Lineage? Sure, it's awesome! But dude, who needs that in our modern age? And corrupted genetics? Mixing blood is actually vital. It makes folks more awesome and more important, prevents inbreeding. The curse, that struck Habsburgs. I say, gotta keep the gene pool bigger.

Besides, it's science and culture, that defines us. We are all the people.

Sai seems to not understand that different skin colors do not signify genetic inferiority or superiority.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:21 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Its because he would of course be the slave master in his ideal world, and when he beats his slaves and hurts them its because he cares, but of course he would never go to hurt them in the first place.

He would be the ideal lovable master whose slaves would look up to him.


How I think I'd do it, is that I only want to recoup what I paid for them. If they cost $100 and I already got $200 worth of free labor out of them, it'd be less trouble for me to free them if they genuinely don't want to be there, the other option is to sell them to someone else. Then again, it'd be a bit of a hassle if there is a lot of turnover if I constantly buy and sell different people to try to get a good fit for the work I need done.

I think I'm convinced now that unfree labor has more downsides than upside. But I feel that its hard to argue that we're at the point when almost no one wants to partake in it under any circumstances. Unless it is a fetish of sorts for some people. If there was automation for most things, maybe the incidence of slavery will fall to almost nonexistence- because so much more money is made if machines produce everything instead of people.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:23 am

Saiwania wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Its because he would of course be the slave master in his ideal world, and when he beats his slaves and hurts them its because he cares, but of course he would never go to hurt them in the first place.

He would be the ideal lovable master whose slaves would look up to him.


How I think I'd do it, is that I only want to recoup what I paid for them. If they cost $100 and I already got $200 worth of free labor out of them, it'd be less trouble for me to free them if they genuinely don't want to be there, the other option is to sell them to someone else. Then again, it'd be a bit of a hassle if there is a lot of turnover if I constantly buy and sell different people to try to get a good fit for the work I need done.

I think I'm convinced now that unfree labor has more downsides than upside. But I feel that its hard to argue that we're at the point when almost no one wants to partake in it under any circumstances. Unless it is a fetish of sorts for some people. If there was automation for most things, maybe the incidence of slavery will fall to almost nonexistence- because so much more money is made if machines produce everything instead of people.

Exactly! We are heading into an age of automation, where manufacturing jobs can be mostly taken over by machines. Of course, there's the downside of loss of jobs. Solution? Move to a skilled or technical trade where you can't automate the process, where people are required.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:25 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
How I think I'd do it, is that I only want to recoup what I paid for them. If they cost $100 and I already got $200 worth of free labor out of them, it'd be less trouble for me to free them if they genuinely don't want to be there, the other option is to sell them to someone else. Then again, it'd be a bit of a hassle if there is a lot of turnover if I constantly buy and sell different people to try to get a good fit for the work I need done.

I think I'm convinced now that unfree labor has more downsides than upside. But I feel that its hard to argue that we're at the point when almost no one wants to partake in it under any circumstances. Unless it is a fetish of sorts for some people. If there was automation for most things, maybe the incidence of slavery will fall to almost nonexistence- because so much more money is made if machines produce everything instead of people.

Exactly! We are heading into an age of automation, where manufacturing jobs can be mostly taken over by machines. Of course, there's the downside of loss of jobs. Solution? Move to a skilled or technical trade where you can't automate the process, where people are required.

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions
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Greater Cesnica wrote:Exactly! We are heading into an age of automation, where manufacturing jobs can be mostly taken over by machines. Of course, there's the downside of loss of jobs. Solution? Move to a skilled or technical trade where you can't automate the process, where people are required.

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions


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Thermodolia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Exactly! We are heading into an age of automation, where manufacturing jobs can be mostly taken over by machines. Of course, there's the downside of loss of jobs. Solution? Move to a skilled or technical trade where you can't automate the process, where people are required.

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions


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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:27 am

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Greater Cesnica wrote:Exactly! We are heading into an age of automation, where manufacturing jobs can be mostly taken over by machines. Of course, there's the downside of loss of jobs. Solution? Move to a skilled or technical trade where you can't automate the process, where people are required.

Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

Again, not every job can be replaced by automation. Think pilots, or air traffic controllers, or plumbers, or doctors, or architects, or lawyers, or electricians, firemen, police officers, paramedics, etc. etc. etc.
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Thermodolia wrote:Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions


Listen, I've played Detroit: Become Human and the future looks rad as fuck.

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Listen, I've played Detroit: Become Human and the future looks rad as fuck.

I nuked Detroit sooo...
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:28 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Fuck that! We should be doing away with prison labor not bring slavery back.

The fact that people unironically support Sai on this is mind-boggling.

A very small group support his pro-slavery views. I hope most are troll voting.

Let's not bring back such a vile institution, as only a small group will actually benefit, and it will end up with grotesque human rights abuses.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:28 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Automation is going to be death of society. I hope you like weekly revolutions

Again, not every job can be replaced by automation. Think pilots, or air traffic controllers, or plumbers, or doctors, or architects, or lawyers, or electricians, firemen, police officers, paramedics, etc. etc. etc.


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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:29 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:The fact that people unironically support Sai on this is mind-boggling.

A very small group support his pro-slavery views. I hope most are troll voting.

Let's not bring back such a vile institution, as only a small group will actually benefit, and it will end up with grotesque human rights abuses.

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