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Economically or Societally speaking, unfree labor is...

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Postby Uan aa Boa » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:17 am

Saiwania wrote:The abuse of slaves might be limited if it were treated akin to how animal cruelty is handled.

You mean people should be able to eat them?

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:17 am

Alexandria Eschate wrote:Jesus

If your family needs some help with yard work, but can't afford to hire a professional, just find some neighbor kids who'd happily toil away for a few bucks. That's how it's always worked.


I used be that neighborhood kid when I was young. Now we hire illegals.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:19 am

Holy shit no. Forcing people to work without pay and doing things such as beating them if they don´t is a disgusting thing to do period.

Not to mention how horrible it is to sell people as if they are property.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:21 am

Saiwania wrote:The abuse of slaves might be limited if it were treated akin to how animal cruelty is handled.

Yeah, well. People break the rules too. There’s a reason why sex abuse is both a no-do and a common sight.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:21 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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And, on top of that, it stagnates both the society and economy. No incentive to really try to improve things or make things run more efficiently, if you can simply kick back and rely on a steady supply of forced labor to do everything.

Why find a more efficient means to produce when you can just buy more slaves


Because being more efficient means you don't need as many slaves.

Slaves are perfectly compatible with modern industrialized economies. Have you seen how Qatar gets by?
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Postby Plzen » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:24 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Slaves are perfectly compatible with modern industrialized economies. Have you seen how Qatar gets by?

Exports by product category, Qatar 2017.

Modern industrialised... Qatar is a what now?

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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:26 am

Plzen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Slaves are perfectly compatible with modern industrialized economies. Have you seen how Qatar gets by?

Exports by product category, Qatar 2017.

Modern industrialised... Qatar is a what now?


A lot of gulf states use an xtreme form of wage slavery that is actually pretty much identured servitude but in name
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Postby 5 kingdoms of Britannia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:28 am

Slavery lowers labour prices which hurts a consumer based economy so less people can by stuff therefore economical there is no reason to re-introduce slavery

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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:33 am

look at the private prison systems, theres already a very large pool of people under indentured servitude

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Postby Caracasus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:35 am

Uan aa Boa wrote:I clicked the link to the thread title out of curiosity, but I wasn't particularly surprised to find the OP has a flag design that's a little, shall we say... bauhaus?


When you really, really wanna have a swastika and have to play it as close as possible to not get banned I guess it's what you pick.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:36 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
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It's not. It's 3 pages of everyone taking the piss to varying degrees. An utterly fucking braindead statement not worth debating.

Doesn’t mean it’s worth pushing down. I really don’t like it when people think that psychological abuse is good as long as it’s working well for the majority. I’d like to change the mind.


Lol.

Fucks sake, laughing at someone for having shit, abhorrent ideas is not psychological abuse.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:38 am

Caracasus wrote:
Uan aa Boa wrote:I clicked the link to the thread title out of curiosity, but I wasn't particularly surprised to find the OP has a flag design that's a little, shall we say... bauhaus?


When you really, really wanna have a swastika and have to play it as close as possible to not get banned I guess it's what you pick.


Well theres also the celtic cross or the black sun as alternatives.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:39 am

Nakena wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
When you really, really wanna have a swastika and have to play it as close as possible to not get banned I guess it's what you pick.


Well theres also the celtic cross or the black sun as alternatives.


Everyone else should start using the black sun to normalize it cuz it's pretty aesthetic, ngl
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:40 am

Nakena wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
When you really, really wanna have a swastika and have to play it as close as possible to not get banned I guess it's what you pick.


Well theres also the celtic cross or the black sun as alternatives.


Yeah. The nazis really were a bunch of unimaginative theiving cunts when it came to symbolism, weren't they?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:40 am

Fun facts:

Lehman Brothers got its start as cotton futures trading house in Montgomery, Alabama in the 1850s, and Lazard Feres & Co. began as a merchant bank in New Orleans that lent to plantations.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:41 am

Caracasus wrote:When you really, really wanna have a swastika and have to play it as close as possible to not get banned I guess it's what you pick.


The Iron Cross predates Nazism and is arguably the most German of all German symbols. It is timeless and I feel it isn't something modern Germany should be reluctant to display if not embrace. As for the Third Reich era eagle, I think it has quite a cool asthetic. I don't know if the text even means anything, but the flag overall- I have enough reason to believe that it is up to this website's standards so far as flag use is concerned. I took pains to ensure this.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:44 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Alexandria Eschate wrote:Jesus

If your family needs some help with yard work, but can't afford to hire a professional, just find some neighbor kids who'd happily toil away for a few bucks. That's how it's always worked.


I used be that neighborhood kid when I was young. Now we hire illegals.


As if kids today would want to mow grass for a few bucks when their parents buy them the latest video games or whatever else they want.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:45 am

Saiwania wrote:
Caracasus wrote:When you really, really wanna have a swastika and have to play it as close as possible to not get banned I guess it's what you pick.


The Iron Cross predates Nazism and is arguably the most German of all German symbols. It is timeless and I feel it isn't something modern Germany should be reluctant to display if not embrace. As for the Third Reich era eagle, I think it has quite a cool asthetic. I don't know if the text even means anything, but the flag overall- I have enough reason to believe that it is up to this website's standards so far as flag use is concerned. I took pains to ensure this.


The Iron Cross is still the symbol of the german military. And yes I believe it is fine by NS website standards.

The traditional german coat of arms however was and still is a black eagle on yellow background.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:46 am

Kannap wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I used be that neighborhood kid when I was young. Now we hire illegals.


As if kids today would want to mow grass for a few bucks when their parents buy them the latest video games or whatever else they want.


Some people just don't have a work ethic, and it's lamentable. Usually the result of shitty genetics or shitty parents.

However, the answer is not to hire near-slave illegal immigrant labor. Hire an American landscaping firm if you want your lawn mowed, and be prepared to pay fair market value for it.

People who hire illegals are traitors and should have their wealth confiscated.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:47 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Fun facts:

Lehman Brothers got its start as cotton futures trading house in Montgomery, Alabama in the 1850s, and Lazard Feres & Co. began as a merchant bank in New Orleans that lent to plantations.

Is this supposed to mean something?
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:48 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Fun facts:

Lehman Brothers got its start as cotton futures trading house in Montgomery, Alabama in the 1850s, and Lazard Feres & Co. began as a merchant bank in New Orleans that lent to plantations.

Is this supposed to mean something?


It is supposed to be educative about american history.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:49 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Fun facts:

Lehman Brothers got its start as cotton futures trading house in Montgomery, Alabama in the 1850s, and Lazard Feres & Co. began as a merchant bank in New Orleans that lent to plantations.

Is this supposed to mean something?


For Lehman Brothers, it's just interesting given how much of an institution it was.

For Lazard, it's funny because their work environment is often facetiously called a sweatshop or a slave pit by analysts who work there.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Well theres also the celtic cross or the black sun as alternatives.


Everyone else should start using the black sun to normalize it cuz it's pretty aesthetic, ngl


The Celtic cross honestly looks shit if its not the version with the longer vertical arm.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:50 am

Nakena wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Is this supposed to mean something?


It is supposed to be educative about american history.


Mmkay, and?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:51 am

Kannap wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Everyone else should start using the black sun to normalize it cuz it's pretty aesthetic, ngl


The Celtic cross honestly looks shit if its not the version with the longer vertical arm.


I just dislike the part where plenty of symbols are now "Le Nazi Symbols of White Supremacy" because some inbred racist shithead painted it on a banner and put a bedsheets on his head.
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