Dekks wrote:I'm gonna post a very insightfull argument and idea here which no-one has brought up yet.
Slavery is bad and you should be ashamed of asking.
former : unoriginal boo (though it's the only logical response)
latter: original yea
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by The South Falls » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:02 pm
Dekks wrote:I'm gonna post a very insightfull argument and idea here which no-one has brought up yet.
Slavery is bad and you should be ashamed of asking.
by The South Falls » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:02 pm
by Kannap » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:03 pm
Saiwania wrote:Eternal Lotharia wrote:Only Sai has. Maybe they posted support for shits and giggles.
I swear that I chose the "Neither" good or bad option. Although in my main posts, I attempted to see slavery from the best possible light, because the abolitionist view is too entrenched as the "default" view that has won historically up until now. I figured I should argue slavery's few merits for more of a challenge.
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by Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:04 pm
by Soviet Tankistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:05 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:06 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Saiwania wrote:
Well yes, it may've been bad for many that were used as labor under it, but would you say that it was a necessary evil at any point in history? The sugar plantations in Haiti for example (prior to its revolution) was said to be so lucrative and profitable that the French were quite saddened to lose it.
That is no excuse and it is sickening they did it. Still, the Muslim Empires of West Africa had slavery(albeit much different and less evil), and introduced the concept, as well it was an extension of Christian europe's feudalism institution, ironic as that is.
Slavery as a concept is still awful and pathetic, White people especially show they especially are not to be trusted with slaves.
If it was profitable, people must've kept it alive for a time for this reason.
Again, not a excuse.
by Nea Byzantia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:07 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:09 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Soviet Tankistan wrote:No, it is exploitation worse than that of modern capitalism. If you want labor, use criminals, and even then treat them better than that.
I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.
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by Kernen » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:10 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Eternal Lotharia wrote:I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.
Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.
by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:10 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Eternal Lotharia wrote:I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.
Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.
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by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:11 pm
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:11 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Islamic Empires, China, and ancient Rome practiced pretty horrible slavery too, we shouldn't whitewash sex slavery and eunuch slavery just because they're not chattel slavery. All kinds of slavery are awful.
That's fair, didn't say they weren't awful but whites practices the most brutal kind of slavery, rolled it all up into one, and were much harsher, slaves in Rome had privileges and could collect money to buy freedom. Islamic slaves had rights, as did chinese and persian ones, to an extent. It was still a brutally inhumane system but it had stuff that made it less awful than White people's version. Still I wouldn't argue for any of them not being complete horse shit, I just think White people had a somewhat worse version of an already horrific institution.
by Kernen » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:12 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:13 pm
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:14 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:15 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:So while you guys bash American slavery (rightfully so) have you forgotten about the atrocities the Turks committed against whites? Namely forced sex slavery, torture, hard labor, and murder?
by Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:15 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:So while you guys bash American slavery (rightfully so) have you forgotten about the atrocities the Turks committed against whites? Namely forced sex slavery, torture, hard labor, and murder?
by Plzen » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:15 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:15 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:So while you guys bash American slavery have you forgotten about the atrocities the Turks committed against whites? Namely forced sex slavery, torture, hard labor, and murder?
How cute. They tried to be Nazi without the racist genocide...until the mid-late 1800's at least.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by The South Falls » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:16 pm
by Nea Byzantia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:16 pm
Plzen wrote:You know what they say, the past is a foreign country with poor living standards and little respect for human rights.
There has never been a better time to be alive.
by Soviet Tankistan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:17 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Soviet Tankistan wrote:No, it is exploitation worse than that of modern capitalism. If you want labor, use criminals, and even then treat them better than that.
I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Eternal Lotharia wrote:I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.
Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.
by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:17 pm
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Salandriagado » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:17 pm
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