Should Slavery/Indentured Servitude be brought back?

[The South Falls]

I'm gonna post a very insightfull argument and idea here which no-one has brought up yet.

Slavery is bad and you should be ashamed of asking.

former : unoriginal boo (though it's the only logical response)

latter: original yea

[The South Falls]

tbf, we didn't have to be here

What else were we gonna do all day?

Lay waste to the fields of the Gauls.

[Kannap]

Only Sai has. Maybe they posted support for shits and giggles.

I swear that I chose the "Neither" good or bad option. Although in my main posts, I attempted to see slavery from the best possible light, because the abolitionist view is too entrenched as the "default" view that has won historically up until now. I figured I should argue slavery's few merits for more of a challenge.

Imagine believing slavery has merits.

[Nova Cyberia]

Slavery has proven itself to be an inefficient system anyway. It kept much of the South from modernizing like the free North had.

[Soviet Tankistan]

No, it is exploitation worse than that of modern capitalism. If you want labor, use criminals, and even then treat them better than that.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well yes, it may've been bad for many that were used as labor under it, but would you say that it was a necessary evil at any point in history? The sugar plantations in Haiti for example (prior to its revolution) was said to be so lucrative and profitable that the French were quite saddened to lose it.

That is no excuse and it is sickening they did it. Still, the Muslim Empires of West Africa had slavery(albeit much different and less evil), and introduced the concept, as well it was an extension of Christian europe's feudalism institution, ironic as that is.

Slavery as a concept is still awful and pathetic, White people especially show they especially are not to be trusted with slaves.

If it was profitable, people must've kept it alive for a time for this reason.

Again, not a excuse.

The Islamic Empires, China, and ancient Rome practiced pretty horrible slavery too, we shouldn't whitewash sex slavery and eunuch slavery just because they're not chattel slavery. All kinds of slavery are awful.

[Nea Byzantia]

What else were we gonna do all day?

Lay waste to the fields of the Gauls.

...Not an unworthy passtime.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

No, it is exploitation worse than that of modern capitalism. If you want labor, use criminals, and even then treat them better than that.

I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.

Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.

[Side 3]

Ignoring morality, slavery/indentured servitude is simply not economically viable. Slave labor on a whole is more expensive than simply using machines or a small number of professionals, and every person enslaved is a person who is now unable to potentially create new jobs by opening up a business/get educated in order to pull off more complex jobs.

[Kernen]

I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.

Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.

No, they shouldn't. Because a benefit from compulsory labor is literally theft.

[Greater Cesnica]

I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.

Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.

I would actually support this. Making a rapist work in a mine to generate profits that would go to his victim(s)? I love it.

[Greater Cesnica]

Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.

No, they shouldn't. Because a benefit from compulsory labor is literally theft.

Okay..? One could argue that solitary confinement, capital punishment, or indefinite detentions are crimes too.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The Islamic Empires, China, and ancient Rome practiced pretty horrible slavery too, we shouldn't whitewash sex slavery and eunuch slavery just because they're not chattel slavery. All kinds of slavery are awful.

That's fair, didn't say they weren't awful but whites practices the most brutal kind of slavery, rolled it all up into one, and were much harsher, slaves in Rome had privileges and could collect money to buy freedom. Islamic slaves had rights, as did chinese and persian ones, to an extent. It was still a brutally inhumane system but it had stuff that made it less awful than White people's version. Still I wouldn't argue for any of them not being complete horse shit, I just think White people had a somewhat worse version of an already horrific institution.

They didn't have many rights. Keep in mind that slaves in the Ottoman Empire and China were often castrated, and others were raped.

[Kernen]

No, they shouldn't. Because a benefit from compulsory labor is literally theft.

Okay..? One could argue that solitary confinement, capital punishment, or indefinite detentions are crimes too.

Yes. Successfully. Depriving the most vulnerable among us of their rights to be free of oppressive, nonrehabilitative abuse opens the door to it happening to all of us.

[Greater Cesnica]

So while you guys bash American slavery (rightfully so) have you forgotten about the atrocities the Turks committed against whites? Namely forced sex slavery, torture, hard labor, and murder?

[United Muscovite Nations]

They didn't have many rights. Keep in mind that slaves in the Ottoman Empire and China were often castrated, and others were raped.

Didn't I say it was still a horrific institution?

You said they had rights, they didn't. It's minimizing their historical experience. It's a form of whitewashing. Whenever someone says "something was horrible, but..." and then it's followed by reasons why it wasn't horrible, I'm always skeptical, for the same reason I'm skeptical of the tired "I'm not racist, but..." line from some people.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

So while you guys bash American slavery (rightfully so) have you forgotten about the atrocities the Turks committed against whites? Namely forced sex slavery, torture, hard labor, and murder?

Some atrocities are not politically correct to publicize.

[Nova Cyberia]

So while you guys bash American slavery (rightfully so) have you forgotten about the atrocities the Turks committed against whites? Namely forced sex slavery, torture, hard labor, and murder?

Well, there's people on this very page talking about Islamic slavery and Chinese slavery, so...

[Plzen]

You know what they say, the past is a foreign country with poor living standards and little respect for human rights.

There has never been a better time to be alive.

[Greater Cesnica]

So while you guys bash American slavery have you forgotten about the atrocities the Turks committed against whites? Namely forced sex slavery, torture, hard labor, and murder?

How cute. They tried to be Nazi without the racist genocide...until the mid-late 1800's at least.

The Turks' reign of terror lasted much longer but produced fewer fatalities. Most other forms of mass slavery produced fatalities on a higher level.

[The South Falls]

Lay waste to the fields of the Gauls.

...Not an unworthy passtime.

What about the carthaginians?

[Nea Byzantia]

You know what they say, the past is a foreign country with poor living standards and little respect for human rights.

There has never been a better time to be alive.

...Depends on where you live.

[Soviet Tankistan]

No, it is exploitation worse than that of modern capitalism. If you want labor, use criminals, and even then treat them better than that.

I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.

I do not think anyone should be pressured into it, but they could resume employment after release with similar methods.

I support limited, non-strenuous prison labor, and having those help with resumes, coupled with criminal justice reform that makes it hard to discriminate against hiring criminals so they don't fall back into old habits.

Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.

Those with the worst of acts, although this punishment could be used liberally due to a greedy system.

Extremely violent criminals should be subject to hard labor to pay reparations to victims.

No, they shouldn't. Because a benefit from compulsory labor is literally theft.

Harming another is theft. Some crimes make all but the right to decent conditions forfeit, or at least in a just society they would. Change is still much needed before harsher punishment though, otherwise the punishment may be implemented in a way well meaning people don't intend.

[Greater Cesnica]

You know what they say, the past is a foreign country with poor living standards and little respect for human rights.

There has never been a better time to be alive.

...Depends on where you live.

Best countries to live: Monaco, Malta, Iceland.

The smaller the country, the less bullshit you have to deal with.

[Salandriagado]

No, they shouldn't. Because a benefit from compulsory labor is literally theft.

Okay..? One could argue that solitary confinement, capital punishment, or indefinite detentions are crimes too.

Correct on all points.