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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I honestly can't believe there's anyone alive today who doesn't think the clintons are dishonest crooks


They've both been investigated exhaustively by successive Congresses. If they're dishonest crooks then they're really, really good dishonest crooks.


Bill Clinton only avoided being removed from office because his party controlled Congress
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:04 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I honestly can't believe there's anyone alive today who doesn't think the clintons are dishonest crooks


They've both been investigated exhaustively by successive Congresses. If they're dishonest crooks then they're really, really good dishonest crooks.

This is an excellent answer.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:12 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
They've both been investigated exhaustively by successive Congresses. If they're dishonest crooks then they're really, really good dishonest crooks.


Bill Clinton only avoided being removed from office because his party controlled Congress

Which alternate universe are you calling from?

The impeachment began in 1998 and the trial was held in 1999, during the 105th and 106th congresses. In our universe, those were both republican controlled. What was the makeup of Congress in yours?
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Scomagia » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:12 pm

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Aclion wrote:Kind of. You put him away it won't change anything. Someone else will pick up where he left off. There's clearly a market and people in high positions willing to protect them. You need to tear down the whole thing.

"Sorry, his information is way more valuable than justice and closure for your daughter. The slut can move on. Eventually."

Oftentimes the pursuit of justice requires tolerating a comparatively minor injustice for the sake of dismantling a larger criminal organisation. You don't throw the book at, say, a mid level drug trafficker right away. You try and deal so you can actually learn about the organization and its members and, ultimately, cause some real damage.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:19 pm

Galloism wrote:
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Extraditing Prince Andrew from the UK would be interesting.

Well, clearly if the UK government refuses to turn him over, they've gone rogue just like Afghanistan.


Honestly I expect he'd commit suicide after being prompted to do so by the royals or something. It's either that or the downfall of the monarchy, or they actively push to have him put on trial.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:20 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I honestly can't believe there's anyone alive today who doesn't think the clintons are dishonest crooks


They've both been investigated exhaustively by successive Congresses. If they're dishonest crooks then they're really, really good dishonest crooks.


Or their particular type of dishonesty and corruption is normalized in politics and not illegal.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:35 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
They've both been investigated exhaustively by successive Congresses. If they're dishonest crooks then they're really, really good dishonest crooks.


Or their particular type of dishonesty and corruption is normalized in politics and not illegal.


So legal actions?

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Postby Scomagia » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Or their particular type of dishonesty and corruption is normalized in politics and not illegal.


So legal actions?

To Ostro's point, legal and ethical are not synonyms.
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Postby US-SSR » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:42 pm

Nakena wrote:Just looked up the guy's history. Actually wow. I am surprised he wasnt behind bars already.

Also this is spicy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_E ... sonal_life


"Equal justice under law" is for the 99 percent. Lock him up.
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We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

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Postby US-SSR » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:44 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
They've both been investigated exhaustively by successive Congresses. If they're dishonest crooks then they're really, really good dishonest crooks.


Bill Clinton only avoided being removed from office because his party controlled Congress


And Donald Trump only remains in office because his party still controls the Seante.
8:46

We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

"The scraps of narcissism, the rotten remnants of conspiracy theories, the offal of sour grievance, the half-eaten bits of resentment flow by. They do not cohere. But they move in the same, insistent current of self, self, self."

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Postby Aclion » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:59 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
They've both been investigated exhaustively by successive Congresses. If they're dishonest crooks then they're really, really good dishonest crooks.


Or their particular type of dishonesty and corruption is normalized in politics and not illegal.

well, normalized anyway.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:59 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Bill Clinton only avoided being removed from office because his party controlled Congress


And Donald Trump only remains in office because his party still controls the Seante.

It's not even true - Republicans controlled congress during Clinton's impeachment trial.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:02 pm

How can people continue to deny that America's elite class is composed of interconnected pedophilic monsters? These people are the psychos who pull the strings in our society and have been ruining this country since the early 20th Century.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:03 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
They've both been investigated exhaustively by successive Congresses. If they're dishonest crooks then they're really, really good dishonest crooks.


Bill Clinton only avoided being removed from office because his party controlled Congress


Bill Clinton wasn't president in the day and age of the Internet. Media was still more tightly controlled in those days.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:06 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Bill Clinton only avoided being removed from office because his party controlled Congress


Bill Clinton wasn't president in the day and age of the Internet. Media was still more tightly controlled in those days.


When do you think the internet was invented?

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:07 pm

Aclion wrote:
Caracasus wrote:The topic is this bloke who was arrested for something really horrible, who knew Bill Clinton, who MAY have also done something out of the normal range of dodgy we'd tolerate. It isn't Hillary Clinton, before anyone gets dinged for threadjacking.

Given what he's done and how long he's gotten away with it his political connections are very relevant. Honestly i'd be happy to see him pardoned just to see him blow the lid off it.


You raise a point. This guy is definitely not the only one. He probably know who else is doing this.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Bill Clinton wasn't president in the day and age of the Internet. Media was still more tightly controlled in those days.


When do you think the internet was invented?


Internet news in 1999 was not even close to being what it is today. Bill Clinton as president today would've gotten taken down by #MeToo.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:15 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
When do you think the internet was invented?


Internet news in 1999 was not even close to being what it is today. Bill Clinton as president today would've gotten taken down by #MeToo.


You seem to have missed the fact that we have a President who has done far worse things, from that perspective, and he's still in office.
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Postby NeoMarylandia » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:17 pm

It's one of those crimes which is unforgivable in my opinion. Scum like him don't deserve to live.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:31 pm

NeoMarylandia wrote:It's one of those crimes which is unforgivable in my opinion. Scum like him don't deserve to live.


Because he's rich or because he fucks kids?

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:31 pm

NeoMarylandia wrote:It's one of those crimes which is unforgivable in my opinion. Scum like him don't deserve to live.

Unfortunately, NY does not have the death penalty. He will hopefully get life in prison instead.
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Postby NeoMarylandia » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:32 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
NeoMarylandia wrote:It's one of those crimes which is unforgivable in my opinion. Scum like him don't deserve to live.

Unfortunately, NY does not have the death penalty. He will hopefully get life in prison instead.


Last I checked, sex trafficking is a federal offense in which the death penalty could apply.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:33 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Internet news in 1999 was not even close to being what it is today. Bill Clinton as president today would've gotten taken down by #MeToo.


You seem to have missed the fact that we have a President who has done far worse things, from that perspective, and he's still in office.

I don't know, man. Clinton took quite a few flights on the "Lolita Express".
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:34 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Aclion wrote:Given what he's done and how long he's gotten away with it his political connections are very relevant. Honestly i'd be happy to see him pardoned just to see him blow the lid off it.


You raise a point. This guy is definitely not the only one. He probably know who else is doing this.


I'd be interesting how far reaching the connections are. Belgium had an (argueably worse) pedo-scandal in the 1990s where a lot of witnesses did "mysteriously" died one after another.

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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:43 pm

Galloism wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Bill Clinton only avoided being removed from office because his party controlled Congress

Which alternate universe are you calling from?

The impeachment began in 1998 and the trial was held in 1999, during the 105th and 106th congresses. In our universe, those were both republican controlled. What was the makeup of Congress in yours?


they didn't have a two-thirds senate majority though. considering every democrat in the senate voted not guilty, it's reasonable to say that the only reason he wasn't removed is because the republicans didn't have enough senators
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