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Postby Hatterleigh » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:59 pm

Pretty obvi he was killed. Died on suicide watch (Or some have said they took him off suicide watch just before he died, not exactly a much better scenario), the cameras suppoedly malfunctioned, a ton of really strange stuff. There was a guy who said a bunch of stuff about how Epstein was dead and they framed it as a suicide like an hour before the news was released to the public too
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:04 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:Pretty obvi he was killed. Died on suicide watch (Or some have said they took him off suicide watch just before he died, not exactly a much better scenario), the cameras suppoedly malfunctioned, a ton of really strange stuff. There was a guy who said a bunch of stuff about how Epstein was dead and they framed it as a suicide like an hour before the news was released to the public too

This is going to sum up a lot of what's going to pass for evidence on the internet for a while...
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:07 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Hatterleigh wrote:Pretty obvi he was killed. Died on suicide watch (Or some have said they took him off suicide watch just before he died, not exactly a much better scenario), the cameras suppoedly malfunctioned, a ton of really strange stuff. There was a guy who said a bunch of stuff about how Epstein was dead and they framed it as a suicide like an hour before the news was released to the public too

This is going to sum up a lot of what's going to pass for evidence on the internet for a while...

But Clinton/Trump killed him! I dislike one of the two, so it must be true!
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:07 pm

Of course he did, now he can't rat out his pedo buddies.

How fucking convenient.
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Postby Page » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:15 pm

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Diopolis wrote:I mean it's not like the Clintons explicitly called themselves centrists...

It's entirely conceivable for a leftist to defend a centrist and still be leftist.


If someone says "You're not a real Harry Potter fan if you don't remember Mundungus Fletcher", that's gatekeeping. But if they say "You're not a real Harry Potter fan if you don't know who Ron Weasley is", well that is an accurate statement.

Leftists might "defend" Clinton in such a sense as "The Clintons don't have their enemies assassinated" as I have, though I don't consider that much of a defense, it's more so debunking conspiracies.

So let's say leftists don't defend Bill Clinton's policy decisions.

But anyway, to get back to the topic at hand, if one's reaction to Epstein's death is to immediately suspect the Clintons, that person is very deep into far-right conspiracy theory.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:25 pm

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Scomagia wrote:It's entirely conceivable for a leftist to defend a centrist and still be leftist.


If someone says "You're not a real Harry Potter fan if you don't remember Mundungus Fletcher", that's gatekeeping. But if they say "You're not a real Harry Potter fan if you don't know who Ron Weasley is", well that is an accurate statement.

Leftists might "defend" Clinton in such a sense as "The Clintons don't have their enemies assassinated" as I have, though I don't consider that much of a defense, it's more so debunking conspiracies.

So let's say leftists don't defend Bill Clinton's policy decisions.

But anyway, to get back to the topic at hand, if one's reaction to Epstein's death is to immediately suspect the Clintons, that person is very deep into far-right conspiracy theory.

Assuming he was assassinated (not saying he actually was), it could have easily been Trump or someone else who ordered the hit, as Trump as well as several others also had deep connections to this guy.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:26 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This is going to sum up a lot of what's going to pass for evidence on the internet for a while...

But Clinton/Trump killed him! I dislike one of the two, so it must be true!

For what it's worth, even the most ardent anti-Trump people in this thread have been giving the idea that Trump did anything at best a passing glance with most I've seen (and you can show me I'm wrong) not believing either of them were involved. I can't speak for twitter though.
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Page wrote:
Scomagia wrote:It's entirely conceivable for a leftist to defend a centrist and still be leftist.


If someone says "You're not a real Harry Potter fan if you don't remember Mundungus Fletcher", that's gatekeeping. But if they say "You're not a real Harry Potter fan if you don't know who Ron Weasley is", well that is an accurate statement.

Leftists might "defend" Clinton in such a sense as "The Clintons don't have their enemies assassinated" as I have, though I don't consider that much of a defense, it's more so debunking conspiracies.

So let's say leftists don't defend Bill Clinton's policy decisions.

But anyway, to get back to the topic at hand, if one's reaction to Epstein's death is to immediately suspect the Clintons, that person is very deep into far-right conspiracy theory.

No, it is not an accurate statement. Not remembering who Ron Weasley is doesn't mean you aren't a fan, it means you don't remember who Ron Weasley is. There are conceivable reasons why a fan may not remember Ron Weasley just as there are conceivable reasons you may be a leftist who defends Bill Clinton.

But yes, back on topic. If one's response to Epstein's death is to immediately suspect a conspiracy at all then one is being irrational.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:03 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Page wrote:
If someone says "You're not a real Harry Potter fan if you don't remember Mundungus Fletcher", that's gatekeeping. But if they say "You're not a real Harry Potter fan if you don't know who Ron Weasley is", well that is an accurate statement.

Leftists might "defend" Clinton in such a sense as "The Clintons don't have their enemies assassinated" as I have, though I don't consider that much of a defense, it's more so debunking conspiracies.

So let's say leftists don't defend Bill Clinton's policy decisions.

But anyway, to get back to the topic at hand, if one's reaction to Epstein's death is to immediately suspect the Clintons, that person is very deep into far-right conspiracy theory.

No, it is not an accurate statement. Not remembering who Ron Weasley is doesn't mean you aren't a fan, it means you don't remember who Ron Weasley is. There are conceivable reasons why a fan may not remember Ron Weasley just as there are conceivable reasons you may be a leftist who defends Bill Clinton.

But yes, back on topic. If one's response to Epstein's death is to immediately suspect a conspiracy at all then one is being irrational.

Now now, I am not claiming it was bill, I am not claiming it was donald, I am not claiming it was prince Andrew, i am not claiming it was bill Richardson, I am not claiming it was someone who hates pedophiles, I am not claiming jamie dimon.

What I am claiming is this stinks, it is a pungent odor, it is strong and full of excrement, and that is not just the smell of the MCC which is a shithole to it's own self. I dont know who, I dont know exactly why, but i do not believe that this was an unassisted suicide.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:12 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This is going to sum up a lot of what's going to pass for evidence on the internet for a while...

But Clinton/Trump killed him! I dislike one of the two, so it must be true!

He had dirt on powerful people who let him get arrested without possibility of bail. Of course they did him in.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:15 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Scomagia wrote:No, it is not an accurate statement. Not remembering who Ron Weasley is doesn't mean you aren't a fan, it means you don't remember who Ron Weasley is. There are conceivable reasons why a fan may not remember Ron Weasley just as there are conceivable reasons you may be a leftist who defends Bill Clinton.

But yes, back on topic. If one's response to Epstein's death is to immediately suspect a conspiracy at all then one is being irrational.

Now now, I am not claiming it was bill, I am not claiming it was donald, I am not claiming it was prince Andrew, i am not claiming it was bill Richardson, I am not claiming it was someone who hates pedophiles, I am not claiming jamie dimon.

What I am claiming is this stinks, it is a pungent odor, it is strong and full of excrement, and that is not just the smell of the MCC which is a shithole to it's own self. I dont know who, I dont know exactly why, but i do not believe that this was an unassisted suicide.

What specifically makes suicide seem implausible to you?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:18 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Now now, I am not claiming it was bill, I am not claiming it was donald, I am not claiming it was prince Andrew, i am not claiming it was bill Richardson, I am not claiming it was someone who hates pedophiles, I am not claiming jamie dimon.

What I am claiming is this stinks, it is a pungent odor, it is strong and full of excrement, and that is not just the smell of the MCC which is a shithole to it's own self. I dont know who, I dont know exactly why, but i do not believe that this was an unassisted suicide.

What specifically makes suicide seem implausible to you?

When he came back from the hospital the first time, the Papers said he was on suicide watch. When and why was it turned off, to start.
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Postby Loftegen 2 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:25 pm

Suicide, LOL!

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Well AOC is a fool, so it makes sense that she'd do that.
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Scomagia wrote:What specifically makes suicide seem implausible to you?

When he came back from the hospital the first time, the Papers said he was on suicide watch. When and why was it turned off, to start.

A shrink cleared him to be off of suicide watch, if I understand correctly.
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Ethel mermania wrote:When he came back from the hospital the first time, the Papers said he was on suicide watch. When and why was it turned off, to start.

A shrink cleared him to be off of suicide watch, if I understand correctly.

Wonder if he was threatened with former patients filing malpractice suits? Or just paid off?
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Scomagia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:When he came back from the hospital the first time, the Papers said he was on suicide watch. When and why was it turned off, to start.

A shrink cleared him to be off of suicide watch, if I understand correctly.

We can chat with him of her to begin, review hallway video, and investigate.
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Scomagia wrote:A shrink cleared him to be off of suicide watch, if I understand correctly.

Wonder if he was threatened with former patients filing malpractice suits? Or just paid off?

Or he thought Epstein was no longer at risk of suicide. Or the wacky conspiracy things, I guess.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Scomagia wrote:A shrink cleared him to be off of suicide watch, if I understand correctly.

We can chat with him of her to begin, review hallway video, and investigate.

We should investigate, yes, but only because any prison suicide should be subject to rigorous investigation.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:33 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Wonder if he was threatened with former patients filing malpractice suits? Or just paid off?

Or he thought Epstein was no longer at risk of suicide. Or the wacky conspiracy things, I guess.

Isn't it rather unusual for a shrink to take someone off suicide watch where it might be even the slightest bit risky?
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Scomagia wrote:A shrink cleared him to be off of suicide watch, if I understand correctly.

Wonder if he was threatened with former patients filing malpractice suits? Or just paid off?


Epstein would have been considered to be at least highly endangered and high importance prisoner. So he'd must be of course be placed on suicide watch and, or special surveillance and his cell being observed 24/7 with personal assigned to him,.
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Diopolis wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Or he thought Epstein was no longer at risk of suicide. Or the wacky conspiracy things, I guess.

Isn't it rather unusual for a shrink to take someone off suicide watch where it might be even the slightest bit risky?

No, otherwise there'd be no end to suicide watch for a lot of prisoners. The shrink probably met with him a few times, maybe prescribed medication, and was satisfied that Epstein was no longer actively suicidal. That would not be unusual.
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Scomagia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Isn't it rather unusual for a shrink to take someone off suicide watch where it might be even the slightest bit risky?

No, otherwise there'd be no end to suicide watch for a lot of prisoners. The shrink probably met with him a few times, maybe prescribed medication, and was satisfied that Epstein was no longer actively suicidal. That would not be unusual.

OK. My impression was misleading.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:40 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Isn't it rather unusual for a shrink to take someone off suicide watch where it might be even the slightest bit risky?

No, otherwise there'd be no end to suicide watch for a lot of prisoners. The shrink probably met with him a few times, maybe prescribed medication, and was satisfied that Epstein was no longer actively suicidal. That would not be unusual.


That would the usual in another situation, here however we have an very unusual and endangered patient whose survivial is in grave danger. Normal or usual metrics cannot be applied here.

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