Jeffrey Epstein dead by """""suicide"""""

[Diopolis]

I think we can all agree that this is pretty fishy. A child molesting billionaire who can potentially rat on all of his bourgeoisie friends just suddenly dies, completely on his own accord? Sure.

I doubt that he was outright executed. I think it's likely that he was provided with the means to kill himself, like Hermann Goering was. Of course, we will never know.

Let's note that they didn't have to do that- child molesters notoriously don't fare well in the prison population. More like "make sure he's put in the general population and they know him as a child rapist".

[The Archipelago Territory]

My criticism of bill and Hillary is never directed toward the left (I myself am left of center politically). It's directed at the 100 people in almost 100 cities who still support the Clinton dynasty for some reason.

AG Barr just said that it’s not a confirmed suicide he’s investigating but he’s ‘appalled’ so don’t trust that it’s a suicide Barr said it might not be

Also only the guard said it’s suicide not police or investigators

[Major-Tom]

On another note, I do love when people expect leftists to defend Bill Clinton.

Like, no, we fucking hate him too.

My criticism of bill and Hillary is never directed toward the left (I myself am left of center politically). It's directed at the 100 people in almost 100 cities who still support the Clinton dynasty for some reason.

It's pretty hard to defend the Clintons after their tumultuous history.

[The Archipelago Territory]

AG Barr just said that it’s not a confirmed suicide he’s investigating but he’s ‘appalled’ so don’t trust that it’s a suicide Barr said it might not be

Also only the guard said it’s suicide not police or investigators

Barr said he’ll “get to the bottom of it” as well. Seems like Clinton did kill him

[Rojava Free State]

My criticism of bill and Hillary is never directed toward the left (I myself am left of center politically). It's directed at the 100 people in almost 100 cities who still support the Clinton dynasty for some reason.

It's pretty hard to defend the Clintons after their tumultuous history.

I remember that one time Hillary Clinton was trashing trump for islamaphobia, as if no one would notice the irony that a woman responsible for the deaths of thousands of Muslim people in the middle East is criticizing someone for mean spirited words. The clintons are clearly out for themselves and can't be trusted by even their closest friends

[Farnhamia]

My criticism of bill and Hillary is never directed toward the left (I myself am left of center politically). It's directed at the 100 people in almost 100 cities who still support the Clinton dynasty for some reason.

AG Barr just said that it’s not a confirmed suicide he’s investigating but he’s ‘appalled’ so don’t trust that it’s a suicide Barr said it might not be

He'll take the report and issue a four-page summary that says, "Jeffrey Epstein is dead. No collusion."

[The Archipelago Territory]

AG Barr just said that it’s not a confirmed suicide he’s investigating but he’s ‘appalled’ so don’t trust that it’s a suicide Barr said it might not be

He'll take the report and issue a four-page summary that says, "Jeffrey Epstein is dead. No collusion."

Yeah maybe since Barr used to work for Epstein

[Diopolis]

It's pretty hard to defend the Clintons after their tumultuous history.

I remember that one time Hillary Clinton was trashing trump for islamaphobia, as if no one would notice the irony that a woman responsible for the deaths of thousands of Muslim people in the middle East is criticizing someone for mean spirited words. The clintons are clearly out for themselves and can't be trusted by even their closest friends

I wouldn't put it past them to have killed Epstein. I also wouldn't put it past Trump(Trump keeping his mouth shut about having him whacked, on the other hand...). However, I think it more likely this was either an actual suicide or a murder by another prisoner.

[Cannot think of a name]

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.” -Donald Trump

On another note, I do love when people expect leftists to defend Bill Clinton.

Like, no, we fucking hate him too.

What people seem to think is at stake if Clinton was swept up in this versus what's really at stake is kind of weird. Like...a problematic dude with a bad history with women will face some consequences. It won't erase the 90s. Whatever fleeting appointments that might still be around from Clinton won't go away, signed bills won't become invalid. The party itself has moved on from even his wife. At worst they'd have to fill a different slot in a speech during the convention. It's not like he's a sitting president. Sure, some of the Democratic legacy would be tainted, but not much more than it is already because of his history with women, so...okay?

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On another note, I do love when people expect leftists to defend Bill Clinton.

Like, no, we fucking hate him too.

Are you implying some leftists don't defend him? If you are then that's just false. Or you're doing some weird gatekeeping shit.

Democrats defend Bill Clinton. Liberals defend Bill Clinton.

We leftists do not. We're not a fan of such things as bombing the Balkans, expanding mass incarceration, and cutting welfare.

[Scomagia]

Are you implying some leftists don't defend him? If you are then that's just false. Or you're doing some weird gatekeeping shit.

I mean - I suppose some do, but within the discourse of the leftist community, both online and offline, I tend to find that most are more than willing to shit on Clinton and his record.

That makes sense, I suppose.

[Major-Tom]

On another note, I do love when people expect leftists to defend Bill Clinton.

Like, no, we fucking hate him too.

What people seem to think is at stake if Clinton was swept up in this versus what's really at stake is kind of weird. Like...a problematic dude with a bad history with women will face some consequences. It won't erase the 90s. Whatever fleeting appointments that might still be around from Clinton won't go away, signed bills won't become invalid. The party itself has moved on from even his wife. At worst they'd have to fill a different slot in a speech during the convention. It's not like he's a sitting president. Sure, some of the Democratic legacy would be tainted, but not much more than it is already because of his history with women, so...okay?

I completely agree, I'm more speaking about those on the right who have this strange notion that any actions by the Clintons is an automatic disqualifier of left wing politics.

"Bill does something awful? HA, take that liberals, we have the moral high ground!"

That's a sentiment echoed in every right wing hivemind, forum and circlejerk around, both on and off the internet, this idea that "the left = the clintons."

But, yes, my overall hope for this upcoming investigation is that we can bring justice to any and all who are guilty, regardless of who they are, regardless of my current opinions on them. And in doing so - I would be delighted to see a discourse on the aforementioned legacy of the 80s/90s, and how that period of excess created far too many victims.

[Cannot think of a name]

He'll take the report and issue a four-page summary that says, "Jeffrey Epstein is dead. No collusion."

Yeah maybe since Barr used to work for Epstein

Kirkland and Ellis represented Epstein in 2008, Barr joined that firm in 2009.

[Cannot think of a name]

What people seem to think is at stake if Clinton was swept up in this versus what's really at stake is kind of weird. Like...a problematic dude with a bad history with women will face some consequences. It won't erase the 90s. Whatever fleeting appointments that might still be around from Clinton won't go away, signed bills won't become invalid. The party itself has moved on from even his wife. At worst they'd have to fill a different slot in a speech during the convention. It's not like he's a sitting president. Sure, some of the Democratic legacy would be tainted, but not much more than it is already because of his history with women, so...okay?

I completely agree, I'm more speaking about those on the right who have this strange notion that any actions by the Clintons is an automatic disqualifier of left wing politics.

"Bill does something awful? HA, take that liberals, we have the moral high ground!"

That's a sentiment echoed in every right wing hivemind, forum and circlejerk around, both on and off the internet, this idea that "the left = the clintons."

That's what I was referring to regarding the discrepancy over what's actually at stake versus what's really at stake. It's a weird form of wishful thinking but...okay, I guess. At this point it's clear that they'll imagine the tears their looking for anyway so it doesn't need dto involve us at all, really.

But, yes, my overall hope for this upcoming investigation is that we can bring justice to any and all who are guilty, regardless of who they are, regardless of my current opinions on them. And in doing so - I would be delighted to see a discourse on the aforementioned legacy of the 80s/90s, and how that period of excess created far too many victims.

Certainly the conspiracy of silence thing is getting harder to maintain.

[Scomagia]

Are you implying some leftists don't defend him? If you are then that's just false. Or you're doing some weird gatekeeping shit.

Democrats defend Bill Clinton. Liberals defend Bill Clinton.

We leftists do not. We're not a fan of such things as bombing the Balkans, expanding mass incarceration, and cutting welfare.

There's the gatekeeping!

[Aclion]

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.” -Donald Trump

On another note, I do love when people expect leftists to defend Bill Clinton.

Like, no, we fucking hate him too.

We keep seeing them Whatabout Trump with Epstein.

AG Barr just said that it’s not a confirmed suicide he’s investigating but he’s ‘appalled’ so don’t trust that it’s a suicide Barr said it might not be

He'll take the report and issue a four-page summary that says, "Jeffrey Epstein is dead. No collusion."

Nope. He was apparently livid when he found out, and now the FBI is investigating. https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/jeffrey-e ... t-suicide/

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On another note, I do love when people expect leftists to defend Bill Clinton.

Like, no, we fucking hate him too.

We keep seeing them Whatabout Trump with Epstein.

When I brought up Trump, I was just making the point that if a powerful person had Epstein killed, Trump would be a more likely suspect than the Clintons.

Epstein probably ended his miserable life of his own volition, but in any case this cartoonish supervillain image of the Clintons is rather silly. The only crime they're guilty of is neoliberalism.

[Proctopeo]

We keep seeing them Whatabout Trump with Epstein.

When I brought up Trump, I was just making the point that if a powerful person had Epstein killed, Trump would be a more likely suspect than the Clintons.

Eh, if he did, we'd be sure to have heard about it by now.

[Aclion]

We keep seeing them Whatabout Trump with Epstein.

When I brought up Trump, I was just making the point that if a powerful person had Epstein killed, Trump would be a more likely suspect than the Clintons.

Epstein probably ended his miserable life of his own volition, but in any case this cartoonish supervillain image of the Clintons is rather silly. The only crime they're guilty of is neoliberalism.

We know it wasn't trump because he wouldn't have been able to keep mouth shut about it.

[Diopolis]

We keep seeing them Whatabout Trump with Epstein.

When I brought up Trump, I was just making the point that if a powerful person had Epstein killed, Trump would be a more likely suspect than the Clintons.

Epstein probably ended his miserable life of his own volition, but in any case this cartoonish supervillain image of the Clintons is rather silly. The only crime they're guilty of is neoliberalism.

Or one of the other inmates did it. It's not exactly unheard of for a prisoner to get murdered by another prisoner.

[Purpelia]

We keep seeing them Whatabout Trump with Epstein.

When I brought up Trump, I was just making the point that if a powerful person had Epstein killed, Trump would be a more likely suspect than the Clintons.

Epstein probably ended his miserable life of his own volition, but in any case this cartoonish supervillain image of the Clintons is rather silly. The only crime they're guilty of is neoliberalism.

Which to be fair is essentially the worst you can go short of going full Hitler.

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Democrats defend Bill Clinton. Liberals defend Bill Clinton.

We leftists do not. We're not a fan of such things as bombing the Balkans, expanding mass incarceration, and cutting welfare.

There's the gatekeeping!

It's not gatekeeping. Leftism by definition calls for opposition to capitalism at the very least. If you want to be very broad about it, you could put democratic socialists under the tent, but not neoliberals.

[Diopolis]

There's the gatekeeping!

It's not gatekeeping. Leftism by definition calls for opposition to capitalism at the very least. If you want to be very broad about it, you could put democratic socialists under the tent, but not neoliberals.

I mean it's not like the Clintons explicitly called themselves centrists...

[Scomagia]

There's the gatekeeping!

It's not gatekeeping. Leftism by definition calls for opposition to capitalism at the very least. If you want to be very broad about it, you could put democratic socialists under the tent, but not neoliberals.

No, it's gatekeeping. You're saying that leftists don't do x, implying that doing x makes you not a leftist. It's just not true.

I would concede that a leftist might be confused if they defend Clinton but merely defending does not, in itself, make them not a leftist.

[Scomagia]

It's not gatekeeping. Leftism by definition calls for opposition to capitalism at the very least. If you want to be very broad about it, you could put democratic socialists under the tent, but not neoliberals.

I mean it's not like the Clintons explicitly called themselves centrists...

It's entirely conceivable for a leftist to defend a centrist and still be leftist.