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Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:20 pm**

Luziyca wrote:That incel cunt who murdered 11 people and ran over 15 more has been sentenced to life in jail with no parole for 25 years.

That's all? I get people think we who live next door are vengeful savages when it comes to crime, but there's something to be said for life sentences for instances like this.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:09 pm**

Shrillland wrote:
Luziyca wrote:That incel cunt who murdered 11 people and ran over 15 more has been sentenced to life in jail with no parole for 25 years.

That's all? I get people think we who live next door are vengeful savages when it comes to crime, but there's something to be said for life sentences for instances like this.

I agree that there is something to be said for life sentences: if nothing else, if it turns out that an innocent person was wrongly sentenced, they can at least be released and given compensation for their trouble. Can't exactly do that with someone who is executed.

With regard to your first point, in my neck of the woods, I feel like most people would gladly accept reintroducing the death penalty to Canada, especially for the worst of the worst criminals like that cunt whose name and memory should be totally obliterated, and their ilk. Hell, I freely admit that I am revenge-minded myself when it comes to punishing evildoers, and would not shed a tear if the criminal who deserved to be executed was sentenced to death.

So while there are almost certainly some Canadians who see Americans as "vengeful savages when it comes to crime," I feel that the only reason why we aren't seen in quite the same light vis-a-vis the States is that no government has truly caved to the will of the people when it comes to things like the death penalty (excluding genocidaires and those where is absolutely zero doubt, however unreasonable, that they've committed a crime so serious that the death penalty is appropriate), and I do think that it is probably for the best that we don't listen to the will of the people in this particular instance.

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:18 am**

TPS Chief apologises for disproportionate force against Blacks, apology swiftly rejected

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:06 pm**

Despite Singh's excessive wokeness, I tend to prefer the NDP overall, but as an American, I don't really have any say in that. But at least Canada, for all of the things that I dislike about it, has a credible left-wing party.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:40 am**

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 01810.html

Ex-Riverdale actor murdered his mother then planned to kill Justin Trudeau

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:00 pm**

Pollievre supports anti-mandate measures and second Freedom Convoy heading to Ottawa for Canada Day

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:05 pm**

Shrillland wrote:Pollievre supports anti-mandate measures and second Freedom Convoy heading to Ottawa for Canada Day

I knew the Conservatives were gonna have a hard-right populist drift, if anything I'm surprised it took them this long. Pollievre is still going to win the leadership election in September if things keep going like they are, and that will solidify the party's drift to the right. Might also cause them to split again, which would pretty much kill any chance they'd have of winning. But, I think they'll be able to keep it together.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:49 pm**

Shrillland wrote:
Luziyca wrote:That incel cunt who murdered 11 people and ran over 15 more has been sentenced to life in jail with no parole for 25 years.

That's all? I get people think we who live next door are vengeful savages when it comes to crime, but there's something to be said for life sentences for instances like this.

I don't think life sentences with no possibility of parole are a thing here.

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:44 am**

Comfed wrote:I don't think life sentences with no possibility of parole are a thing here.

If someone is still profitable and they've been in for too long, Canada has got to consider letting elderly/long term inmates stay locked up if that is what they want. If too much time has passed, it means chances are- they're not going to adapt to the outside world because the change is too abrupt and disruptive for them. They'll purposely break parole or do something bad, so they can go back.

The alternative is that they maybe go the way of Brooks Hatlen. There is no point in entering the world that has changed too much, from the one they have left, if we're talking many decades.

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:19 pm**

Saiwania wrote:
Comfed wrote:I don't think life sentences with no possibility of parole are a thing here.

If someone is still profitable and they've been in for too long, Canada has got to consider letting elderly/long term inmates stay locked up if that is what they want. If too much time has passed, it means chances are- they're not going to adapt to the outside world because the change is too abrupt and disruptive for them. They'll purposely break parole or do something bad, so they can go back.

The alternative is that they maybe go the way of Brooks Hatlen. There is no point in entering the world that has changed too much, from the one they have left, if we're talking many decades.

I mean... if you really wanted to you could probably stay in prison. Parole isn't automatic.

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:26 pm**

Arisyan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Pollievre supports anti-mandate measures and second Freedom Convoy heading to Ottawa for Canada Day

I knew the Conservatives were gonna have a hard-right populist drift, if anything I'm surprised it took them this long. Pollievre is still going to win the leadership election in September if things keep going like they are, and that will solidify the party's drift to the right. Might also cause them to split again, which would pretty much kill any chance they'd have of winning. But, I think they'll be able to keep it together.

On some level I respect the conservatives for representing the interests of modern day conservative voters. They aren't pushing party interests on to their constituents and focusing on what conservative voters really want and I appreciate that honesty. They know that if they want their party to stay alive they need to pander to what conservative politics are today. Its no longer about cutting back government spending and over-reach, its about hurting those who aren't part of the christo-fascist white nationalist state.

A more bull-headed conservative leadership would try to quell the growing anti-science, alt-right sentiment in the party but that wouldn't be popular. Its far more beneficial to nurture what is clearly the future of the conservative party so you can be re-elected.

Posted: **Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:47 pm**

In expected news, Carla Beck has been elected to serve as the leader of the Saskatchewan NDP with 68% of the vote, and making her the first woman to lead the NDP.

As someone who voted for Kaitlyn Harvey (as a card-carrying NDPer), I would like to congratulate Carla Beck for her victory, and to congratulate Kaitlyn Harvey on running a great campaign, and I look forward to contributing however I can when the by-election for Meili's seat is called.

Posted: **Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:52 pm**

Speaking of NDP leaders...

Premier of British Columbia John Horgan is stepping down due to health issues in the fall, and wants someone from the next generation to succeed him.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:14 pm**

Well, it's 155 years now since Confederation, and Canada doesn't seem a day over 75, at least that's how this next door neighbour looks toward it.

Anyway, SCOC ruled 6-3 that Canada's expanded rape shield laws are constitutional and that suspects can't use e-mails and videos of an alleged victim's activities without clearing it with the judge

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:47 pm**

Happy Canada Day everyone

Posted: **Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:04 am**

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.6504412

B.C. Premier John Horgan to step down before next election

Posted: **Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:25 pm**

There's a passport backlog, Pearson Airport's becoming world-infamous for its long lines, and what's the government's response? 801 new chairs for Service Canada offices.

Posted: **Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:25 am**

Not sure if this necessarily counts as politics, but:

"Quebec man guilty of sexual assault gets conditional discharge so he can travel for work". He will get three months probation but will not get a criminal record.

Victims' rights advocates are denouncing a decision by a Quebec judge to grant a conditional discharge to a Trois-Rivières man who pleaded guilty to sexual assault and voyeurism, so he can travel for his work as an engineer.

In April 2019, Simon Houle, then a 27-year-old mechanical engineering student at Université du Québec à Trois-Rivières, sexually assaulted a sleeping woman during a party in an apartment.
Houle pleaded guilty to the charges in 2021.

The Crown sought an 18-month sentence for Houle, however, in a decision released last month, Poliquin handed Houle a conditional discharge with three months' probation.

Poliquin said for Houle, the consequences of a criminal record "would have particularly negative and disproportionate consequences for him, since he would have difficulty travelling outside the country, which could hamper his career as an engineer."

Houle, who has worked for manufacturing company Canimex Group since 2018, has yet to be required to travel for his job.

On Monday, Canimex's vice-president of human resources, Michel Goulet, [...] said Houle has been informed his employment at the company has been terminated for the moment.

He sought therapy shortly after the sexual assault and voyeurism charges were laid, said the judge in his sentencing ruling, and he admitted to sexually assaulting another woman in 2015, for which he was never charged.

This admission, although "disturbing," according to Poliquin, "demonstrates [Houle's] desire for transparency" and his serious approach to rehabilitation.

Poliquin noted that Houle pleaded guilty to the 2019 attack, that he "greatly regrets his actions" and was so ashamed of what he had done that he never told his father and brothers of the charges laid against him.

Although the judge emphasized the "intrusive and serious nature of the crimes" committed against a victim "in a state of great vulnerability," he said the assault was quick and Houle's state of drunkenness, while not an excuse for his actions, partly explains his behaviour.

According to Poliquin, Houle has demonstrated that he is a "person of good character," that he committed his crimes during a specific period of his life and that those crimes do not represent the person he wants to be.

In order "not to trivialize" what Houle did, Poliquin said, he ordered the perpetrator to donate $6,000 to the Trois-Rivières sexual assault centre, the Centre d'aide et de lutte contre les agressions à caractère sexuel (CALACS).

A spokesperson for the Trois-Rivières CALACS, Camille Souza, said the centre is "disconcerted" by the decision, calling it unfair to the victim because it "once again" defends the attacker.

"We were angry. We were saddened for the victim — for all the victims," said Souza.

A spokesperson for the local victims' assistance service (CAVAC), Karine Gagnon, said she is concerned Poliquin's decision will undermine victims' confidence in the justice system.

"When a victim hears these kinds of things ... it can prevent them from [filing a complaint]," she said.

The judge described Houle as having had a "positive family background" and "the opportunity to become a useful person in the community."

Lawyer and feminist researcher Suzanne Zaccour said Houle's social status likely had a "subtle and pernicious" influence on the decision.

"If an accused came from a more disadvantaged background or had a less prestigious career, he would not have this card to say, 'My career is important, and I cannot have a criminal record,'" she said.

On Tuesday, Quebec's Director of Criminal and Penal Prosecutions (DPCP) said it will appeal Houle's sentence.

"A motion for permission to appeal is being drafted and will be filed with the Court of Appeal registry by July 21," the DPCP said in a statement.

Posted: **Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:38 am**

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as ... -1.6510938

Canadian mountain no longer named for Nazi collaborator thanks to father and son

B.C.-Alberta border mountain was named for Philippe Pétain, a French marshal convicted of treason

Posted: **Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:48 am**

San Lumen wrote:https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.6510937/canadian-mountain-no-longer-named-for-nazi-collaborator-thanks-to-father-and-son-1.6510938

Canadian mountain no longer named for Nazi collaborator thanks to father and son

B.C.-Alberta border mountain was named for Philippe Pétain, a French marshal convicted of treason

As if we didn't have enough problems as it stands.

Riviere Renard wrote:Not sure if this necessarily counts as politics, but:

"Quebec man guilty of sexual assault gets conditional discharge so he can travel for work". He will get three months probation but will not get a criminal record.
Victims' rights advocates are denouncing a decision by a Quebec judge to grant a conditional discharge to a Trois-Rivières man who pleaded guilty to sexual assault and voyeurism, so he can travel for his work as an engineer.

In April 2019, Simon Houle, then a 27-year-old mechanical engineering student at Université du Québec à Trois-Rivières, sexually assaulted a sleeping woman during a party in an apartment.
Houle pleaded guilty to the charges in 2021.

The Crown sought an 18-month sentence for Houle, however, in a decision released last month, Poliquin handed Houle a conditional discharge with three months' probation.

Poliquin said for Houle, the consequences of a criminal record "would have particularly negative and disproportionate consequences for him, since he would have difficulty travelling outside the country, which could hamper his career as an engineer."

Houle, who has worked for manufacturing company Canimex Group since 2018, has yet to be required to travel for his job.

On Monday, Canimex's vice-president of human resources, Michel Goulet, [...] said Houle has been informed his employment at the company has been terminated for the moment.

He sought therapy shortly after the sexual assault and voyeurism charges were laid, said the judge in his sentencing ruling, and he admitted to sexually assaulting another woman in 2015, for which he was never charged.

This admission, although "disturbing," according to Poliquin, "demonstrates [Houle's] desire for transparency" and his serious approach to rehabilitation.

Poliquin noted that Houle pleaded guilty to the 2019 attack, that he "greatly regrets his actions" and was so ashamed of what he had done that he never told his father and brothers of the charges laid against him.

Although the judge emphasized the "intrusive and serious nature of the crimes" committed against a victim "in a state of great vulnerability," he said the assault was quick and Houle's state of drunkenness, while not an excuse for his actions, partly explains his behaviour.

According to Poliquin, Houle has demonstrated that he is a "person of good character," that he committed his crimes during a specific period of his life and that those crimes do not represent the person he wants to be.

In order "not to trivialize" what Houle did, Poliquin said, he ordered the perpetrator to donate $6,000 to the Trois-Rivières sexual assault centre, the Centre d'aide et de lutte contre les agressions à caractère sexuel (CALACS).

A spokesperson for the Trois-Rivières CALACS, Camille Souza, said the centre is "disconcerted" by the decision, calling it unfair to the victim because it "once again" defends the attacker.

"We were angry. We were saddened for the victim — for all the victims," said Souza.

A spokesperson for the local victims' assistance service (CAVAC), Karine Gagnon, said she is concerned Poliquin's decision will undermine victims' confidence in the justice system.

"When a victim hears these kinds of things ... it can prevent them from [filing a complaint]," she said.

The judge described Houle as having had a "positive family background" and "the opportunity to become a useful person in the community."

Lawyer and feminist researcher Suzanne Zaccour said Houle's social status likely had a "subtle and pernicious" influence on the decision.

"If an accused came from a more disadvantaged background or had a less prestigious career, he would not have this card to say, 'My career is important, and I cannot have a criminal record,'" she said.

On Tuesday, Quebec's Director of Criminal and Penal Prosecutions (DPCP) said it will appeal Houle's sentence.

"A motion for permission to appeal is being drafted and will be filed with the Court of Appeal registry by July 21," the DPCP said in a statement.

That's par for the course here. You either have to be really bad, or native to actually go to jail in Canada.

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:52 pm**

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/202 ... hing-.html

This has been less than amusing I must say. No cell phone, and no home internet. Can't pay for shit. I wonder what the government is planning to do about this?

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:28 pm**

Wayneactia wrote:https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/07/08/what-was-affected-by-the-rogers-outage-pretty-much-everything-.html

This has been less than amusing I must say. No cell phone, and no home internet. Can't pay for shit. I wonder what the government is planning to do about this?

I hope at the bare minimum they uphold the CRTC's ruling that Shaw and Rogers be banned from merging.

As for me, it hasn't affected me quite as much since while my phone is part of Rogers, my TV and internet is handled by Shaw, so I'm not completely fucked like many people are across the country. Does suck big time, though.

Posted: **Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:23 am**

Luziyca wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/07/08/what-was-affected-by-the-rogers-outage-pretty-much-everything-.html

This has been less than amusing I must say. No cell phone, and no home internet. Can't pay for shit. I wonder what the government is planning to do about this?

I hope at the bare minimum they uphold the CRTC's ruling that Shaw and Rogers be banned from merging.

As for me, it hasn't affected me quite as much since while my phone is part of Rogers, my TV and internet is handled by Shaw, so I'm not completely fucked like many people are across the country. Does suck big time, though.

Interac being down across the country is fucked. Who carries cash anymore, let alone the 200 bucks required to fill your vehicle with gas.....

Posted: **Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:03 am**

Wayneactia wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I hope at the bare minimum they uphold the CRTC's ruling that Shaw and Rogers be banned from merging.

As for me, it hasn't affected me quite as much since while my phone is part of Rogers, my TV and internet is handled by Shaw, so I'm not completely fucked like many people are across the country. Does suck big time, though.

Interac being down across the country is fucked. Who carries cash anymore, let alone the 200 bucks required to fill your vehicle with gas.....

Absolutely. If we're going to go cashless anyway, at the bare minimum we need to make sure that things like Interac does not rely on a single provider, but instead have a backup in case things go wrong.

Posted: **Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:44 am**

has everyone recovered from the horrific great russian-backed terrorist alt right confederate trucker convoy that tried to kill trudeau and honk their way to dictatorship

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