Canadian Politics

[Kubra]

Oh, come now. Quebec thinks you're contributing a lot.

Doesn't that really drive home how un-natural it was to mix anglophones and francophones, though? "Canadian" is not a naturally occurring identity, just an attempt to merge incompatible peoples together, and we see the natural consequences of that in terms of multiple attempts by Quebec to secede, and some public officials paid for this with their very lives.

The English should've stayed in England and the French should've stayed in France. "Canada" was a mistake. -.-

you kidding me, man? French is one of the easiest common languages to learn as an anglophone. That's why even most conservative prime minister candidates, Anglos writ large, can *passably* speak the stuff at debates. You know, at least as well as a bloc candidate is expected to speak English.
Besides that, English itself is, you know, itself the result of mashing the french together with what was once Englishmen. We're all thoroughly normanised, man.

[Luziyca]

I'll never understand what Canadians see in that man. Typically when one wears blackface and is repeatedly outed as a racist that ends their political career.

That was another reason why I voted NDP: between the SNC-Lavalin, his affairs with WE, the breaking of electoral reform, and the blackface, not to mention many other things that he did, I don't think Justin Trudeau is really a great leader. Given his gambit has failed, I expect he'll be facing a ton of leadership challenges sooner rather than later.

I've been fortunate to do a bit of canvassing for the local NDP candidate: it is a shame he has lost the election, and while vote-splitting with the Liberals may have cost my candidate the race (the sum for the Tory candidate is 14,618, compared to 14,750 if we added both Liberal and NDP vote), I do think many here in Saskatchewan see the Tories as being "the only option to get rid of Trudeau," as unfortunate as it seems.

[Kubra]

Hey it only cost 600 mil to cancel Kerry diotte's incessant junk mail
Real bargain imo

I call that a win any day. Really tired of seeing his shit once a month give or take. It really is a shame he can't get into the mayoral race, as now we are going to be stuck with Mike Nickel and his Kenney loving ways. This Blake Desjarlais guy seems not tooo bad though. Had a chance to meet him a few days ago, and he seems genuine. All that aside, what exactly did Trudeau achieve? He was never going to get a majority, and all he did was give a voice to Bernier and those lunatics that think for some reason he is actually sane. It was also nice to see Derek Sloan get his ass handed to him as well.

In the end, all Trudeau did was prove people don't like Doug Ford, and showed Kenney that he is going to lose the next provincial election to Notley. None of this was really any news to anyone. Not really worth it if you ask me.

This was an election no one wanted and no one got what they wanted, Liberals did not get a majority, Tories did not form government, NDP did not play kingmakers, Bloc did not win Quebec, Greens lost support and the PPC did not win a seat.

The only way the Tories could have formed government is if they won a majority. The NDP will prop up the liberals, and thus Justin still gets the first kick at the can as he is still the PM. Nothing was going to change as O'Toole dragged the Cons too far centre and gave Bernier a real voice. Should be interesting in a couple of years to see what he can make of it. Do the Cons now need to concern themselves with potential vote splitting out west now?

Blake? I ain't met the guy in a long time, but I'm fairly certain I had a nice chat with him at a house party some years ago in an ice fishing tent for some reason and I recall very much liking the guy. I could be mistaken, of course.
I ain't never met an NDP candidate around here that I don't like. They go in with no "connections" or "networks" that you get with conservative and to a lesser extent liberal candidates, and also have no illusions as to their chances of actually winning. They're folks doing it just because they believe, you know? I'm sure it'd be a very different story with folks in the west coast NDP political machine, of course.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Doesn't that really drive home how un-natural it was to mix anglophones and francophones, though? "Canadian" is not a naturally occurring identity, just an attempt to merge incompatible peoples together, and we see the natural consequences of that in terms of multiple attempts by Quebec to secede, and some public officials paid for this with their very lives.

The English should've stayed in England and the French should've stayed in France. "Canada" was a mistake. -.-

you kidding me, man? French is one of the easiest common languages to learn as an anglophone. That's why even most conservative prime minister candidates, Anglos writ large, can *passably* speak the stuff at debates. You know, at least as well as a bloc candidate is expected to speak English.
Besides that, English itself is, you know, itself the result of mashing the french together with what was once Englishmen. We're all thoroughly normanised, man.

I was in a really cynical mood when I posted that. I deep down still want Canada to at least try to make our ill-conceived blend of Englishmen and Frenchmen work.

That said, I do think an enduring lesson of this is to stop overestimating the ability of what country one's from to displace deeper-seated forms of identity.

[Kubra]

you kidding me, man? French is one of the easiest common languages to learn as an anglophone. That's why even most conservative prime minister candidates, Anglos writ large, can *passably* speak the stuff at debates. You know, at least as well as a bloc candidate is expected to speak English.
Besides that, English itself is, you know, itself the result of mashing the french together with what was once Englishmen. We're all thoroughly normanised, man.

I was in a really cynical mood when I posted that. I deep down still want Canada to at least try to make our ill-conceived blend of Englishmen and Frenchmen work.

That said, I do think an enduring lesson of this is to stop overestimating the ability of what country one's from to displace deeper-seated forms of identity.

It currently works out very well: english and french remain the language each one learns to get a cushy job and look model child-like in order to be paraded in front of the other less suburban families, whose 5 year old don't even have an A2.
That is to say, most people who matter or will matter in making federal policy (if they're not tories or bloc) are reasonably bilingual and generally buy into it, because it's paying em dividends.

All that aside, what exactly did Trudeau achieve? He was never going to get a majority, and all he did was give a voice to Bernier and those lunatics that think for some reason he is actually sane. It was also nice to see Derek Sloan get his ass handed to him as well.

Future self, meet extremely confident past self:

All of that is based off tracking polls and nothing more. Those number are heavily skewed. In the end most Canadians fall back on traditional Canadian values and will want a stable government. The Conservatives have made up some ground it isn’t enough. The Bloc have basically been useless for Quebecers and both the Liberals and NDP are going to make massive gains there. Trudeau will get his majority. It won’t be a huge one, but it will be a majority none the less.

Now now, if there weren't folks who could have conceived of a liberal majority, at least enough to be surveyed, Trudeau wouldn't have bothered. Ain't this fella's fault that elections are an unfolding event that Trudeau pretty tidily got played for a fool in.
Shit, when I heard him for an english debate I was semi-convinced of a conservative majority. Until I heard O'Toole talk, of course.

[Dayganistan]

The whole Canadian federal system is a sham really, Quebec gets 76 seats based off its whining and threats to leave while all of the Maritime, all the territories and Alberta all have LESS COMBINED SEATS than Quebec. Some say it’s a population thing, but Alberta gives lots of power to Canada , the maritimes give Canada lots of fish besides BC, and the Territories at least deserve something. Hell the Territories only have 3 seats, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had none.

As someone who has the misfortune of living in Alberta, I can tell you that after oil prices crashed we have contributed nothing to Canada beyond even more whining than Quebec.

Speaking of Alberta, Kenney shuffled his cabinet. Our health minister who wanted to privatize everything is now the minister of labour and immigration. So Alberta is about to get a lot more hostile to workers and unions probably.

[Czervenika]

The whole Canadian federal system is a sham really, Quebec gets 76 seats based off its whining and threats to leave while all of the Maritime, all the territories and Alberta all have LESS COMBINED SEATS than Quebec. Some say it’s a population thing, but Alberta gives lots of power to Canada , the maritimes give Canada lots of fish besides BC, and the Territories at least deserve something. Hell the Territories only have 3 seats, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had none.

As someone who has the misfortune of living in Alberta, I can tell you that after oil prices crashed we have contributed nothing to Canada beyond even more whining than Quebec.

Speaking of Alberta, Kenney shuffled his cabinet. Our health minister who wanted to privatize everything is now the minister of labour and immigration. So Alberta is about to get a lot more hostile to workers and unions probably.

I hope everyone here just straight up goes on strike. It's long overdue. The only thing to do when workers are being treated as commodities rather than actual human beings is to rise up.

[Immortan Khan]

If O'Toole won the election I wonder if he would most likely base his pandemic handling like Jason Kenney. He did accept an endorsement from him and also cooked at a barbecue event.

Thank Christ he didn't win. With the way he dragged the Cons to the centre, I don't think he will even survive a leadership review.

There won't be a leadership review. O'Toole has barely been in a year and few Conservatives thought it possible to kick out Trudeau with this election. O'Toole and Singh were both outspoken about how neither of them wanted this election and that is because most people did not want this bloody election. The best case scenario thought was a slim minority government that would probably have to go into an election in about a year.

Barely anything changed for the Tories at the end of the day and that was with a lower turnout.

[Czervenika]

Thank Christ he didn't win. With the way he dragged the Cons to the centre, I don't think he will even survive a leadership review.

There won't be a leadership review. O'Toole has barely been in a year and few Conservatives thought it possible to kick out Trudeau with this election. O'Toole and Singh were both outspoken about how neither of them wanted this election and that is because most people did not want this bloody election. The best case scenario thought was a slim minority government that would probably have to go into an election in about a year.

Barely anything changed for the Tories at the end of the day and that was with a lower turnout.

My mum is kind of a die hard Trudeau supporter (eww, I know) and even she admitted to me that Trudeau was mistaken in calling this election. It was utterly useless and she saw that.

[Shrillland]

Legault is proposing a bill limiting Anti-vax protests to at least 50 metres outside schools and hospitals...and he wants it through the National Assembly tomorrow

The only way that can happen is if the Assembly passes it unanimously, and there's one Conservative MP(the only one) who might object.

[Fauzjhia]

Legault is proposing a bill limiting Anti-vax protests to at least 50 metres outside schools and hospitals...and he wants it through the National Assembly tomorrow

The only way that can happen is if the Assembly passes it unanimously, and there's one Conservative MP(the only one) who might object.

if she does, it will only take 1 more day, as the Assembly will simply limit the right to speak of the (conservative mp) AKA, a frustrated CAQ who did not received a minister seat. Switching under a party who claim deputes should not be allowed to switch allegiance in middle of a mandate. (But it was fine when its for the Conservative party.

There won't be a leadership review. O'Toole has barely been in a year and few Conservatives thought it possible to kick out Trudeau with this election. O'Toole and Singh were both outspoken about how neither of them wanted this election and that is because most people did not want this bloody election. The best case scenario thought was a slim minority government that would probably have to go into an election in about a year.

Barely anything changed for the Tories at the end of the day and that was with a lower turnout.

My mum is kind of a die hard Trudeau supporter (eww, I know) and even she admitted to me that Trudeau was mistaken in calling this election. It was utterly useless and she saw that.

naw, minatory government rarely last longer then 18 months, so Trudeau was able to gain 18 of time in power.
this election should calm the systematic obstruction of the conservative at least for now. so it was not totally useless, even if nothing changed.
beside the conservative wanted to go in elections.

Edit :
plus O'toole has a problem with Bernier,
if he tries to fight with Bernier on his right-wing electorate, the ultra conservatives, he will lose votes to the greens and the liberals, he will lose Ontario
and when he tries to be less (right-wing) he lost votes to Bernier.

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

Few thoughts:

• A minor remark - CPC gains in Atlantic Canada and NDP/LPC gains in Prairies always a plus for regional representations. The latter especially so, given that LPC was without a cabinet minister from AB/SK (there were 2 in MB, where LPC held 4 seats in Winnipeg area).
• CPC doing well on Atlantic Canada, especially after its dismal performance there for 2015 and 2019, does indicate the significance of how provincial politics play out there. Not a lot of surprises if you look at it closer - Atwin's 2019 victory was a close one over CPC candidate in a three-way riding back then, South Shore's been mostly blue aside from 2015-21 run by Bernadette Jordan, NB being divided into two with Moncton, Fredericton and Saint John being in-between. Atlantic Canada's been dealing with COVID-19 well in general, and the recent change of provincial government in Nova Scotia, where the questions were focused on housing and health policies, indicate that it is not impossible for CPC to do well in Atlantic Canada. Now the question is whether they can sustain it under a relatively more moderate CPC.
• LPC underperformed, but that's to be expected especially after how the English-language debates went. Keep asking Blanchet same questions will only get more people to vote for BQ instead of possibly swaying to other three parties generally in contention. This probably affected LPC lot more than other two, considering that their chance of going for a majority usually lie on how they well they do in QC and Atlantic Canada. It is also to do with how they underperformed in Atlantic Canada, but that's already discussed right above.
• Saskatchewan unfortunately stays blue and only blue. Nothing surprising given the results from last Provincial election.
• Kenney's mistakes over the last few months certainly accumulated with huge gains for both Liberals and NDP in Alberta. Edmonton Strathcona wasn't going anywhere else for NDP anyway, but gaining Griesbach is always a +. Kicking Diotte out is also a plus. Calgary Skyview's a good case of how if you campaign well and sustainedly so, you will be able to turn things around. It looks like things may have turned around for the best in Edmonton Centre - it does have a past history of Liberals being elected there with McLellan and then Boissonnault round 1. Even in 2019, Edmonton Centre's stayed somewhat close. Always a plus.
• Ontario stays largely the same. CPC couldn't really break through the GTA this time either, and such is life. Now whether this will affect 2022 Ontario Elections or not remains to be seen, but with how unfamiliar Canadian politicians are to the idea of coalition, voters will have to decide if they wanna go nonstop and bet all-in on NDP or Liberals. Probably the best way to go with it is to go 'ABC' as if it's 2015 Federal again.
• While gaining a bit more than last elections, NDP needs to recalibrate and recalculate what is next. It is good we have leadership group that knows how to engage public, but you need more work on policies. Being on TikTok all the time won't do that. NDP also needs to outdo LPC on the recruitment part - I know the party can do it, the party has done so well in past, but don't expect to go further if you aren't getting the likes of Freeland's or Carney's or even van Koevedren's on board.
• Greens did gain Kitchener, but it means little unless they can ensure that the party's not gonna implode any other day.

[Czervenika]

[*]Kenney's mistakes over the last few months certainly accumulated with huge gains for both Liberals and NDP in Alberta. Edmonton Strathcona wasn't going anywhere else for NDP anyway, but gaining Griesbach is always a +. Kicking Diotte out is also a plus. Calgary Skyview's a good case of how if you campaign well and sustainedly so, you will be able to turn things around. It looks like things may have turned around for the best in Edmonton Centre - it does have a past history of Liberals being elected there with McLellan and then Boissonnault round 1. Even in 2019, Edmonton Centre's stayed somewhat close. Always a plus.

Skyview is in Calgary's Northeast I believe, which is home to large immigrant populations primarily of Southeast Asian descent. Based on that it kind of makes sense why they would lean away from voting Conservative. I know it may be a bit of a stereotype, but many see conservatives as not being the most immigration friendly. I'm sure the explanation for the riding going Liberal this time around is more nuanced than that, though. I just know my Calgary riding is very white and heavily Conservative voting (I felt my NDP vote was rather useless).

[Outer Sparta]

Few thoughts:

• A minor remark - CPC gains in Atlantic Canada and NDP/LPC gains in Prairies always a plus for regional representations. The latter especially so, given that LPC was without a cabinet minister from AB/SK (there were 2 in MB, where LPC held 4 seats in Winnipeg area).
• CPC doing well on Atlantic Canada, especially after its dismal performance there for 2015 and 2019, does indicate the significance of how provincial politics play out there. Not a lot of surprises if you look at it closer - Atwin's 2019 victory was a close one over CPC candidate in a three-way riding back then, South Shore's been mostly blue aside from 2015-21 run by Bernadette Jordan, NB being divided into two with Moncton, Fredericton and Saint John being in-between. Atlantic Canada's been dealing with COVID-19 well in general, and the recent change of provincial government in Nova Scotia, where the questions were focused on housing and health policies, indicate that it is not impossible for CPC to do well in Atlantic Canada. Now the question is whether they can sustain it under a relatively more moderate CPC.
• LPC underperformed, but that's to be expected especially after how the English-language debates went. Keep asking Blanchet same questions will only get more people to vote for BQ instead of possibly swaying to other three parties generally in contention. This probably affected LPC lot more than other two, considering that their chance of going for a majority usually lie on how they well they do in QC and Atlantic Canada. It is also to do with how they underperformed in Atlantic Canada, but that's already discussed right above.
• Saskatchewan unfortunately stays blue and only blue. Nothing surprising given the results from last Provincial election.
• Kenney's mistakes over the last few months certainly accumulated with huge gains for both Liberals and NDP in Alberta. Edmonton Strathcona wasn't going anywhere else for NDP anyway, but gaining Griesbach is always a +. Kicking Diotte out is also a plus. Calgary Skyview's a good case of how if you campaign well and sustainedly so, you will be able to turn things around. It looks like things may have turned around for the best in Edmonton Centre - it does have a past history of Liberals being elected there with McLellan and then Boissonnault round 1. Even in 2019, Edmonton Centre's stayed somewhat close. Always a plus.
• Ontario stays largely the same. CPC couldn't really break through the GTA this time either, and such is life. Now whether this will affect 2022 Ontario Elections or not remains to be seen, but with how unfamiliar Canadian politicians are to the idea of coalition, voters will have to decide if they wanna go nonstop and bet all-in on NDP or Liberals. Probably the best way to go with it is to go 'ABC' as if it's 2015 Federal again.
• While gaining a bit more than last elections, NDP needs to recalibrate and recalculate what is next. It is good we have leadership group that knows how to engage public, but you need more work on policies. Being on TikTok all the time won't do that. NDP also needs to outdo LPC on the recruitment part - I know the party can do it, the party has done so well in past, but don't expect to go further if you aren't getting the likes of Freeland's or Carney's or even van Koevedren's on board.
• Greens did gain Kitchener, but it means little unless they can ensure that the party's not gonna implode any other day.

The Vancouver area ridings had some gains to the Liberals from the Cons. Cloverdale-Langley City, Stevenson-Richmond East, and if Richmond Centre holds for rookie candidate Wilson Miao, then that would make it three.

[Luziyca]

The COVID situation in Alberta is so bad that the Canadian military has been called in to help support them.

Knowing my province, we're probably going to endure the same fate as Alberta by this time next month.

[Outer Sparta]

The COVID situation in Alberta is so bad that the Canadian military has been called in to help support them.

Knowing my province, we're probably going to endure the same fate as Alberta by this time next month.

Is Jason Kenney still going to proclaim that "COVID is over?"

[Czervenika]

The COVID situation in Alberta is so bad that the Canadian military has been called in to help support them.

Knowing my province, we're probably going to endure the same fate as Alberta by this time next month.

Is Jason Kenney still going to proclaim that "COVID is over?"

Of course he will. He's trying to cater to a very specific support base.

[Luziyca]

The COVID situation in Alberta is so bad that the Canadian military has been called in to help support them.

Knowing my province, we're probably going to endure the same fate as Alberta by this time next month.

Is Jason Kenney still going to proclaim that "COVID is over?"

Almost certainly.

Given he is facing a leadership review in the spring, Kenney has to fend off his challengers, which knowing the UCP will probably make Kenney look competent and reasonable, particularly with regard to COVID if one of his challengers gets into power.

[Outer Sparta]

Is Jason Kenney still going to proclaim that "COVID is over?"

Of course he will. He's trying to cater to a very specific support base.

Those barbecues aren't going to start themselves.

[Immortan Khan]

Jason Kenney publicly admitted to having gotten the reopening wrong and apologized for it. Dislike him all you want, but that's more self accountability on his part than most politicians, regardless of political affiliation, are ready to do in regards to their own failings during the pandemic.

[Outer Sparta]

Jason Kenney publicly admitted to having gotten the reopening wrong and apologized for it. Dislike him all you want, but that's more self accountability on his part than most politicians, regardless of political affiliation, are ready to do in regards to their own failings during the pandemic.

He didn't actually apologize. It was more a half-assed apology that absolved himself of any responsibility and instead he threw his health minister under the bus to save his own image.

[Luziyca]

According to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau China has released Kovrig and Spavor.

In completely and totally unrelated news, Meng Wanzhou has come to an agreement with the US government regarding "misleading financial information" which led to charges being dropped and for her extradition trial to come to an end.

[Comfed]

As someone who has the misfortune of living in Alberta, I can tell you that after oil prices crashed we have contributed nothing to Canada beyond even more whining than Quebec.

Speaking of Alberta, Kenney shuffled his cabinet. Our health minister who wanted to privatize everything is now the minister of labour and immigration. So Alberta is about to get a lot more hostile to workers and unions probably.

I hope everyone here just straight up goes on strike. It's long overdue. The only thing to do when workers are being treated as commodities rather than actual human beings is to rise up.

We’ve had a mass exodus of doctors. They just packed up and moved.

Jason Kenney publicly admitted to having gotten the reopening wrong and apologized for it. Dislike him all you want, but that's more self accountability on his part than most politicians, regardless of political affiliation, are ready to do in regards to their own failings during the pandemic.

Jason Kenney apologized because the hospitals literally cannot help people anymore. When he finally apologized he threw Shandro under the bus. Meanwhile untold millions of taxpayer money still flow to his propaganda war room. Jason Kenney is horrible at accountability, he’s far worse than Trudeau, who people don’t like because the conservative party under Scheer spend all their money on a giant smear campaign.

Hopefully the fraudulently created UCP splits back up into the PC and Wildrose parties

[Fauzjhia]

I hope everyone here just straight up goes on strike. It's long overdue. The only thing to do when workers are being treated as commodities rather than actual human beings is to rise up.

We’ve had a mass exodus of doctors. They just packed up and moved.

Jason Kenney publicly admitted to having gotten the reopening wrong and apologized for it. Dislike him all you want, but that's more self accountability on his part than most politicians, regardless of political affiliation, are ready to do in regards to their own failings during the pandemic.

Jason Kenney apologized because the hospitals literally cannot help people anymore. When he finally apologized he threw Shandro under the bus. Meanwhile untold millions of taxpayer money still flow to his propaganda war room. Jason Kenney is horrible at accountability, he’s far worse than Trudeau, who people don’t like because the conservative party under Scheer spend all their money on a giant smear campaign.

Hopefully the fraudulently created UCP splits back up into the PC and Wildrose parties

Meanwhile in Quebec, Legault is trying to fix the Healthcare system, because he know that his new obligation might cause a shortage of personal, since vaccinated will be send home.
Make me realize just how extreme conservatives are in the west. In Quebec, the blue Party aint that ideological, and he could very well be like them if he wanted to.

EDIT : the conservative party still have candidate and representatives like Cheryl Gallant, who believe that liberal want to normalized certain things with children... COME ON, how can any party have such peoples in their representatives ranks.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Jason Kenney apologized because the hospitals literally cannot help people anymore. When he finally apologized he threw Shandro under the bus. Meanwhile untold millions of taxpayer money still flow to his propaganda war room.

What a fucking piece of shit. Bertie is well and truly Far Northern Texas.

According to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau China has released Kovrig and Spavor.

In completely and totally unrelated news, Meng Wanzhou has come to an agreement with the US government regarding "misleading financial information" which led to charges being dropped and for her extradition trial to come to an end.

Just another day at the office. Good to see Kovrig and Spavor are free though...