Canadian Politics

[Dresderstan]

Just did a quick check, correct me if I am wrong, if the PPC vote went straight to the Conservatives the Tories would lead by one seat.

https://www.yapms.com/app/?m=cax3

[Shrillland]

Kenney just threw his health minister Tyler Shandro under the bus today. Something tells me he got a call from the conservative caucus on how his ineptitude cost the federal conservatives the election.

The liberals also grabbed a seat in Edmonton Centre. Good inroads.

Obviously Kenney threw his health minister under the bus to absolve himself of any responsibility and to make him look less vulnerable. Kenney's going to have to fight to keep his power and position in Alberta's provincial elections coming up.

He's got plenty of time to recover. He still has a commanding majority in Edmonton and the election isn't due in Alberta until May of '23.

[Comfed]

Kenney just threw his health minister Tyler Shandro under the bus today. Something tells me he got a call from the conservative caucus on how his ineptitude cost the federal conservatives the election.

About time - Shandro was incompetent, unprofessional, and his only qualifications were being the owner of a medical company.

[Outer Sparta]

Obviously Kenney threw his health minister under the bus to absolve himself of any responsibility and to make him look less vulnerable. Kenney's going to have to fight to keep his power and position in Alberta's provincial elections coming up.

He's got plenty of time to recover. He still has a commanding majority in Edmonton and the election isn't due in Alberta until May of '23.

It's also Alberta, which if the pandemic were still going on until May 2023 and Kenney's keeping up his pandemic response, I would still rule in likely of Kenney and his United Conservatives keeping power.

[Shrillland]

He's got plenty of time to recover. He still has a commanding majority in Edmonton and the election isn't due in Alberta until May of '23.

It's also Alberta, which if the pandemic were still going on until May 2023 and Kenney's keeping up his pandemic response, I would still rule in likely of Kenney and his United Conservatives keeping power.

I don't know about that, I think the pandemic will, at least in the developed nations, finally start to abate next spring at the latest. If Kenney can get the conversation back to economic issues and maintaining the oil sands, then he could reverse his current woes.

[North Washington Republic]

Just did a quick check, correct me if I am wrong, if the PPC vote went straight to the Conservatives the Tories would lead by one seat.

https://www.yapms.com/app/?m=cax3

Something tells me that the PPC voters have no interest in voting for the Tories because they won’t embrace their batshit crazy beliefs about the vaccines and they’re not white supremacists.

[Shrillland]

Just did a quick check, correct me if I am wrong, if the PPC vote went straight to the Conservatives the Tories would lead by one seat.

https://www.yapms.com/app/?m=cax3

Something tells me that the PPC voters have no interest in voting for the Tories because they won’t embrace their batshit crazy beliefs about the vaccines and they’re not white supremacists.

They don't at the moment, but O'Toole is going to have to go back to the right. He can afford to lose the Right green voters, he can't afford to see the PPC surge any further ahead.

[North Washington Republic]

Something tells me that the PPC voters have no interest in voting for the Tories because they won’t embrace their batshit crazy beliefs about the vaccines and they’re not white supremacists.

They don't at the moment, but O'Toole is going to have to go back to the right. He can afford to lose the Right green voters, he can't afford to see the PPC surge any further ahead.

Why? The far-right doesn’t have the political power and influence it does in Canada like it does in the United States.

[Shrillland]

They don't at the moment, but O'Toole is going to have to go back to the right. He can afford to lose the Right green voters, he can't afford to see the PPC surge any further ahead.

Why? The far-right doesn’t have the political power and influence it does in Canada like it does in the United States.

No, but it has enough to cost O'Toole a government, as we saw last night and as Dres just showed.

Just did a quick check, correct me if I am wrong, if the PPC vote went straight to the Conservatives the Tories would lead by one seat.

https://www.yapms.com/app/?m=cax3

The PPC managed to make enough of an impact, particularly in suburban and rural Ontario, to keep the Liberals in a lot of close seats and sweep away any Conservative hopes of a Minority Government of their own.

[North Washington Republic]

Why? The far-right doesn’t have the political power and influence it does in Canada like it does in the United States.

No, but it has enough to cost O'Toole a government, as we saw last night and as Dres just showed.

Just did a quick check, correct me if I am wrong, if the PPC vote went straight to the Conservatives the Tories would lead by one seat.

https://www.yapms.com/app/?m=cax3

The PPC managed to make enough of an impact, particularly in suburban and rural Ontario, to keep the Liberals in a lot of close seats and sweep away any Conservative hopes of a Minority Government of their own.

If O’Toole started spouting batshit crazy stuff about vaccine and went hard right on immigration, wouldn’t that cost him the normie center-right vote?

[Shrillland]

No, but it has enough to cost O'Toole a government, as we saw last night and as Dres just showed.



The PPC managed to make enough of an impact, particularly in suburban and rural Ontario, to keep the Liberals in a lot of close seats and sweep away any Conservative hopes of a Minority Government of their own.

If O’Toole started spouting batshit crazy stuff about vaccine and went hard right on immigration, wouldn’t that cost him the normie center-right vote?

He doesn't have to spout it, he just has to put the more socially conservative, near-PPC MPs in his shadow cabinet and wink come '23.

[WayNeacTia]

Why on Earth isn't Jagmeet Singh achieving comparable results to Layton's, then? Is it because his manner of speaking isn't as hammy as Layton's or is it because voters don't want a Sikh and/or non-white candidate?

I think it's the latter, honestly. A lot of Canadians genuinely do not want a brown guy representing them. This country is a lot more racist than we give it credit for.

Unfortunately it’s true. The man was born in Canada, and is very educated. The problem is, (and it pains me to say this) the turban. He is essentially Jack Layton 2.0 who mobilizes social media, yet all people see is East Indian. If he was a white guy with a name like a John Smith he would have handed Trudeau his ass on a gold platter. As much as people say Canadians aren’t racist, they are……

[Major-Tom]

I think it's the latter, honestly. A lot of Canadians genuinely do not want a brown guy representing them. This country is a lot more racist than we give it credit for.

Unfortunately it’s true. The man was born in Canada, and is very educated. The problem is, (and it pains me to say this) the turban. He is essentially Jack Layton 2.0 who mobilizes social media, yet all people see is East Indian. If he was a white guy with a name like a John Smith he would have handed Trudeau his ass on a gold platter. As much as people say Canadians aren’t racist, they are……

59 of the 67 seats that Layton gained for the NDP were in Quebec. Singh, because he can't compete in Quebec, can't compete nationwide.

[Nilokeras]

It's because Layton was one of those charisma-laden politicians that draws people to them, that and Layton actually made a strong effort to wean Metro Montreal and Hull off the Bloc, which the Bloc learned from. Oh, and because Ignatieff was possibly the worst Leader the Liberals ever had.

I don;t get what the point of voting Bloc is when Quebec independence isn't going to happen and the current provincial government has said they will not support a referendum on it.

It's a regional special interest party. They exist to promote the interests of Quebec and protect it against encroachment upon its zealously-hoarded special privileges.

[WayNeacTia]

I don;t get what the point of voting Bloc is when Quebec independence isn't going to happen and the current provincial government has said they will not support a referendum on it.

It's a regional special interest party. They exist to promote the interests of Quebec and protect it against encroachment upon its zealously-hoarded special privileges.

Watch Bernier run in some Tory stronghold in Alberta next time..... There are a significant number of people here in Alberta and in Saskatchewan that would vote for that party if O'Toole continues down his current path.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

It's a regional special interest party. They exist to promote the interests of Quebec and protect it against encroachment upon its zealously-hoarded special privileges.

Watch Bernier run in some Tory stronghold in Alberta next time..... There are a significant number of people here in Alberta and in Saskatchewan that would vote for that party if O'Toole continues down his current path.

Will O'Toole still have a job when all this is over? I thought being elected to lead the government was the standard to meet.

[Shrillland]

Watch Bernier run in some Tory stronghold in Alberta next time..... There are a significant number of people here in Alberta and in Saskatchewan that would vote for that party if O'Toole continues down his current path.

Will O'Toole still have a job when all this is over? I thought being elected to lead the government was the standard to meet.

Not always. Sometimes, it's just doing as well as you can without utterly failing. O'Toole didn't succeed, but he didn't fail either.

[Outer Sparta]

It's a regional special interest party. They exist to promote the interests of Quebec and protect it against encroachment upon its zealously-hoarded special privileges.

Watch Bernier run in some Tory stronghold in Alberta next time..... There are a significant number of people here in Alberta and in Saskatchewan that would vote for that party if O'Toole continues down his current path.

And Jason Kenney is from Ontario, and now he runs Alberta. If Maxime Bernier does that, then that's ultimate carpetbagging.

[Vikanias]

Watch Bernier run in some Tory stronghold in Alberta next time..... There are a significant number of people here in Alberta and in Saskatchewan that would vote for that party if O'Toole continues down his current path.

And Jason Kenney is from Ontario, and now he runs Alberta. If Maxime Bernier does that, then that's ultimate carpetbagging.

At this point in time it does look like he won’t win the next provincial election, he got voted in by being in the Conservative party, and literally everyone knows that Alberta is one of the Conservatives strongholds. It’s either Kenny doesn’t run and a new more “Conservative” person gets in as leader. Or he runs and gets destroyed by the PPC. Or hell maybe the two conservative parties will split the vote and the Liberals or NDP get in. (Although it wouldn’t be popular and last only a single term)

[San Lumen]

And Jason Kenney is from Ontario, and now he runs Alberta. If Maxime Bernier does that, then that's ultimate carpetbagging.

At this point in time it does look like he won’t win the next provincial election, he got voted in by being in the Conservative party, and literally everyone knows that Alberta is one of the Conservatives strongholds. It’s either Kenny doesn’t run and a new more “Conservative” person gets in as leader. Or he runs and gets destroyed by the PPC. Or hell maybe the two conservative parties will split the vote and the Liberals or NDP get in. (Although it wouldn’t be popular and last only a single term)

I think the NDP would likely get voted back in. the Liberals seem to be irrelevant in Alberta. Their last majority government was won in 1917.

[Shrillland]

At this point in time it does look like he won’t win the next provincial election, he got voted in by being in the Conservative party, and literally everyone knows that Alberta is one of the Conservatives strongholds. It’s either Kenny doesn’t run and a new more “Conservative” person gets in as leader. Or he runs and gets destroyed by the PPC. Or hell maybe the two conservative parties will split the vote and the Liberals or NDP get in. (Although it wouldn’t be popular and last only a single term)

I think the NDP would likely get voted back in. the Liberals seem to be irrelevant in Alberta.

True, the Alberta Party or the resurrected WRA(now with separatism!) is more likely to grab seats than the provincial Liberals.

[San Lumen]

I think the NDP would likely get voted back in. the Liberals seem to be irrelevant in Alberta.

True, the Alberta Party or the resurrected WRA(now with separatism!) is more likely to grab seats than the provincial Liberals.

Could they help but the NDP back in power?

[Shrillland]

True, the Alberta Party or the resurrected WRA(now with separatism!) is more likely to grab seats than the provincial Liberals.

Could they help but the NDP back in power?

The WRA definitely could, they're far-right. The Alberta Party, not so much. AP's centrist, kind of where the provincial Liberals are, so they might spoil the vote. Bear in mind, the provincial NDP also isn't as far to the left as the federal party, particularly on the environment...considering Alberta's effectively a petrostate.

Realistically, however, all of this is moot for next year as I see it. The provincial schedule for next year will likely consist of Ontario, Manitoba, and Quebec in fairly quick succession and that particular order.

[Czervenika]

I think it's the latter, honestly. A lot of Canadians genuinely do not want a brown guy representing them. This country is a lot more racist than we give it credit for.

Unfortunately it’s true. The man was born in Canada, and is very educated. The problem is, (and it pains me to say this) the turban. He is essentially Jack Layton 2.0 who mobilizes social media, yet all people see is East Indian. If he was a white guy with a name like a John Smith he would have handed Trudeau his ass on a gold platter. As much as people say Canadians aren’t racist, they are……

Yes, it's a shame as I genuinely like the guy and think he would make an excellent Prime Minister. He's precisely the kind of leadership this country needs right now, imo. Nobody likes Trudeau. He basically only won last night because a lot of people thought the alternative was worse.

[Nilokeras]

At this point in time it does look like he won’t win the next provincial election, he got voted in by being in the Conservative party, and literally everyone knows that Alberta is one of the Conservatives strongholds. It’s either Kenny doesn’t run and a new more “Conservative” person gets in as leader. Or he runs and gets destroyed by the PPC. Or hell maybe the two conservative parties will split the vote and the Liberals or NDP get in. (Although it wouldn’t be popular and last only a single term)

I think the NDP would likely get voted back in. the Liberals seem to be irrelevant in Alberta. Their last majority government was won in 1917.

Because to a large extent the Liberals are an avatar of the federalism that consistently has for decades, in their view, sidelined Albertan interests in favour of 'the nation', which they also believe is synonymous with Ontario and Quebec. The NDP by contrast retains enough contra-'federal' bona fides through its populism and Western roots that it remains popular as a left alternative. You get the opposite logic but similar conclusions in much of non-Vancouver BC: that the interests of local First Nations and British Columbians are sidelined and pipelines are rammed through by the federal government to appease the Albertans. Therefore they turn to the NDP, which has populist, pro-union and pro-Indigenous sovereignty bona fides.