Canadian Politics

[Dresderstan]

Agreed, this whole election was a waste of time and money since the Liberals still have a minority.

The worst part: We get to do this all again in two years!

Ironic Canada would have had an election 25 months from now anyway if Trudeau didn't jump the gun, so it makes this election seem even worse.

[Outer Sparta]

Agreed, this whole election was a waste of time and money since the Liberals still have a minority.

The worst part: We get to do this all again in two years!

It could be worse: having elections again in six months like they did in Israel for four straight elections from 2019 to 2021.

[Shrillland]

The worst part: We get to do this all again in two years!

It could be worse: having elections again in six months like they did in Israel for four straight elections from 2019 to 2021.

Bulgaria's about to go the same way...it seems a curse that we're dealing with.

[Dresderstan]

And Paul did not announce her resignation as Green party leader like I had hoped.

[Deep Dark Dust Dimensions]

The worst part: We get to do this all again in two years!

It could be worse: having elections again in six months like they did in Israel for four straight elections from 2019 to 2021.

I suspect the Netherlands will soon improve on that "record".

Trudeau will merely emulate Harper, with two successive minority cabinets.

[Czervenika]

The worst part: We get to do this all again in two years!

Ironic Canada would have had an election 25 months from now anyway if Trudeau didn't jump the gun, so it makes this election seem even worse.

Well, at least that means we won't have this current Trudeau minority for very long.

[Shrillland]

And Paul did not announce her resignation as Green party leader like I had hoped.

She's still speaking, they just wandered off.

[Dresderstan]

It could be worse: having elections again in six months like they did in Israel for four straight elections from 2019 to 2021.

I suspect the Netherlands will soon improve on that "record".

Trudeau will merely emulate Harper, with two successive minority cabinets.

The difference with Harper he was able to build on those minorities of a united right-wing alternative to the Liberals til he eventually won a majority in 2011. Trudeau had to work on nearly a decade of Tory rule and far back in third and won a majority in 2015, 2 successive minorities after that being relatively the same result again isn't a record I would tout.

[Shrillland]

O'Toole's speech admittedly isn't bad. I'm used to American Conservatism with its exclusionary messages of terror and elitism instead of someone that says Conservatism's for everyone. Still, I'm not convinced he won't go further right in the months to come, he needs to recall the PPC voters if he wants to win Ontario.

[Czervenika]

O'Toole's speech admittedly isn't bad. I'm used to American Conservatism with its exclusionary messages of terror and elitism instead of someone that says Conservatism's for everyone. Still, I'm not convinced he won't go further right in the months to come, he needs to recall the PPC voters if he wants to win Ontario.

I don't trust his moderate image at all. I feel like he was doing it to win over right-leaning Liberal and Green voters. Evidently it did not work.

[Luziyca]

O'Toole's speech admittedly isn't bad. I'm used to American Conservatism with its exclusionary messages of terror and elitism instead of someone that says Conservatism's for everyone. Still, I'm not convinced he won't go further right in the months to come, he needs to recall the PPC voters if he wants to win Ontario.

I don't trust his moderate image at all. I feel like he was doing it to win over right-leaning Liberal and Green voters. Evidently it did not work.

Same.

Meanwhile, I doubt my riding's going to be officially declared for either the NDP or the Tories until at least tomorrow when the mail-in ballots start being counted.

[Shrillland]

O'Toole's speech admittedly isn't bad. I'm used to American Conservatism with its exclusionary messages of terror and elitism instead of someone that says Conservatism's for everyone. Still, I'm not convinced he won't go further right in the months to come, he needs to recall the PPC voters if he wants to win Ontario.

I don't trust his moderate image at all. I feel like he was doing it to win over right-leaning Liberal and Green voters. Evidently it did not work.

No, it did win the right-leaning Greens for the most part given how the vote share's changed, he just lost an equal amount of hard-right voters to the PPC. Now, he has to bring those same voters back and pound the PPC into the ground if he wants any hope of winning in '23.

[Outer Sparta]

O'Toole's speech admittedly isn't bad. I'm used to American Conservatism with its exclusionary messages of terror and elitism instead of someone that says Conservatism's for everyone. Still, I'm not convinced he won't go further right in the months to come, he needs to recall the PPC voters if he wants to win Ontario.

I don't trust his moderate image at all. I feel like he was doing it to win over right-leaning Liberal and Green voters. Evidently it did not work.

I doubt he would want to court those voters, given PPC's rise and them threatening to peel off their hardcore Conservative voters. O'Toole and the CPC will definitely shift rightward and want to take down the PPC votes so they have a better chance at winning key ridings at the expense of alienating more moderate conservatives.

[Shrillland]

Hmmm...Trudeau's speech was a little underwhelming and just a dash of arrogance and hubris. I thought Singh's was all right, but I'm an NDP guy, so of course I'd say that. Well, the $600 Million Shuffle's officially over now. Sorry it was so disappointing and boring for all involved.

[Dresderstan]

When the province of Quebec, a province known for major change in elections has had virtually no real change, there is something wrong.

[Shrillland]

When the province of Quebec, a province known for major change in elections has had virtually no real change, there is something wrong.

I also love how they're talking about the electoral reform resurgence as if Trudeau has any incentive to actually implement it. Still, if it wasn't for the PPC, we might've actually seen the change expected, the PPC spoiled the right vote in possibly at least 20 Ontario ridings, which would've been enough to give O'Toole the premiership.

[Outer Sparta]

When the province of Quebec, a province known for major change in elections has had virtually no real change, there is something wrong.

I also love how they're talking about the electoral reform resurgence as if Trudeau has any incentive to actually implement it. Still, if it wasn't for the PPC, we might've actually seen the change expected, the PPC spoiled the right vote in possibly at least 20 Ontario ridings, which would've been enough to give O'Toole the premiership.

BQ benefits from the current system because of its regionalist nature. Same with SNP in the UK. If proportional representation were implemented, the BQ would lose a lot more seats.

[Shrillland]

The coverage ends, and so does the election. Not with a bang, but with a yawn.

[Kubra]

On the plus side, Bernier lost Beauce again, and personally, I think he should look at moving to Alberta or Saskatchewan for a better shot in '23.

yes please, I want to see a Frenchman pretend to be a cowboy.

[Vikanias]

The one thing O’toole did wrong was trying to appeal to left wing voters. He should’ve focused more on stomping out on the PPC which had the highest chance of splitting the Tory vote (well since they are the only right wing party that can oppose the conservatives) and to mention the fact that left wingers have low chances of voting for you instead of conservatives who will vote for you, I admit that O’toole did win a lot of the right leaning Greens though,

[Fauzjhia]

All this big election, just for next to no changes

see you guys in 18 months for elections 2023, that will happen, we all know it.

honestly, we left-winger have real problem convicing people of our policies, and just explaining the headlines won't work, people can't vote for something they cannot understand.

When the province of Quebec, a province known for major change in elections has had virtually no real change, there is something wrong.

I also love how they're talking about the electoral reform resurgence as if Trudeau has any incentive to actually implement it. Still, if it wasn't for the PPC, we might've actually seen the change expected, the PPC spoiled the right vote in possibly at least 20 Ontario ridings, which would've been enough to give O'Toole the premiership.

that is not certain., I mean, O'Toole would be unable to abort negotiations between parties like Harper was able to, he would only be prime minister designated- not elected.

[Dakini]

O'Toole's speech admittedly isn't bad. I'm used to American Conservatism with its exclusionary messages of terror and elitism instead of someone that says Conservatism's for everyone. Still, I'm not convinced he won't go further right in the months to come, he needs to recall the PPC voters if he wants to win Ontario.

The trouble is that going further right also has the potential to turn away a lot of voters in Ontario.

If you look at a lot of the GTA ridings won by the Liberals, even in ones where the PPC doesn't exist or performed poorly (I don't even know why they bothered running anyone in Brampton, like let's run an anti-immigrant platform in a majority minority city, that'll surely go well), the Conservatives lost by significant margins. If even moderate conservatives don't have a lot of support in the GTA, I don't see how going further right will help in places where the Liberal + NDP vote is a fair bit higher than the Conservative + PPC vote. Looking around in Ontario, it seems that the ridings where the PPC did well are the ones where the Conservatives won anyway, except maybe a few around Kitchener. He'd probably be better off trying to woo over more moderates than chasing an extremist fringe.

I mean, the PPC did better at drawing away Conservative votes than the Christian Heritage Party, but I'm not sure how much of an effect they had in the end.

[Immortan Khan]

People are saying O'Toole should go for the PPC vote even though the Tories more or less kept the % of votes that they had in 2019. It also allowed them a couple of inroads in other places. We also have to ask how much of the PPC vote is fueled by anger over lockdowns and mask mandates given the PPC's strict anti-lockdown, anti-mask mandate, etc stance.

[Shrillland]

People are saying O'Toole should go for the PPC vote even though the Tories more or less kept the % of votes that they had in 2019. It also allowed them a couple of inroads in other places. We also have to ask how much of the PPC vote is fueled by anger over lockdowns and mask mandates given the PPC's strict anti-lockdown, anti-mask mandate, etc stance.

They're saying it because they only kept the vote through an odd double swing: O'Toole's pull to the centre gave him a good chunk of Green voters, but it took away an equal(and looking at how the share of vote changed, almost exactly equal) number of hard-right voters(3.5-4% both ways). Swinging back to the right would lose the Green voters, but they'd just spoil the left-wing parties while staying at the centre keeps the inertia we saw tonight, and I'm not yet convinced that conquering COVID would alone stop the PPC's rise.

[Dakini]

Also, holy shit: the Liberal Party took a seat in Calgary!