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When do you think the next Federal Election will be?

Before the end of 2020
4
3%
Winter 2021
4
3%
Spring 2021
21
18%
Summer 2021
16
14%
Fall 2021
29
25%
In 2022
16
14%
Full 4 year term for a minority government
28
24%
 
Total votes : 118

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Postby Kubra » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:10 pm

Arisyan wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Exactly. While my personal preference would be for Quebec to stay in Canada, even if admittedly it's just so we can say "we have actual culture, look at Quebec," if they want to leave, I'll respect their will.

I'm almost certain that if they held a referendum that everyone in Canada could vote on, I think many would vote to boot Quebec out.


Honestly, I think we should keep Quebec inside Canada, for multiple reasons:

-they contribute a lot to our identity, and without them French would most likely cease being a co-official language
-they would suppress the rights of minorities, specifically non-french speakers, without the federal government telling them not to
-separatist sentiment has died down a ton recently, and I don't think there is actually much support for independence in Quebec anymore
-it would screw up our borders immensely, as it would make New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador all exclaves, along with disrupting a lot of travel
-it would also stir up dormant separatist movements, like Wexit which may gain more support as they can say "if they can leave, so can we!", along with the East being alienated and probably wanting to leave too
Frankly, removing Quebec and thus the french language would really fuck with many peoples jobs prospects as "the person who speaks french so we can say we've got francophones on staff". I can't even hate those fucks, if someone would have told me yeah I woulda paid more attention in french class.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:38 pm

Kubra wrote:
Arisyan wrote:
Honestly, I think we should keep Quebec inside Canada, for multiple reasons:

-they contribute a lot to our identity, and without them French would most likely cease being a co-official language
-they would suppress the rights of minorities, specifically non-french speakers, without the federal government telling them not to
-separatist sentiment has died down a ton recently, and I don't think there is actually much support for independence in Quebec anymore
-it would screw up our borders immensely, as it would make New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador all exclaves, along with disrupting a lot of travel
-it would also stir up dormant separatist movements, like Wexit which may gain more support as they can say "if they can leave, so can we!", along with the East being alienated and probably wanting to leave too
Frankly, removing Quebec and thus the french language would really fuck with many peoples jobs prospects as "the person who speaks french so we can say we've got francophones on staff". I can't even hate those fucks, if someone would have told me yeah I woulda paid more attention in french class.

tbh, I was that person for my particular office when I worked for Elections Canada (well, kinda, I'm an Anglophone who can speak French). The fact that I was more efficient than anyone else they hired probably didn't hurt, but the fact that they legally required a French speaker in the office probably helped push me over the edge for getting 40 hour weeks after the initial phase of the job was over.

(It also came in handy twice, which I was not expecting given that this was in the GTA.)
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Postby Kubra » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:45 pm

Dakini wrote:
Kubra wrote: Frankly, removing Quebec and thus the french language would really fuck with many peoples jobs prospects as "the person who speaks french so we can say we've got francophones on staff". I can't even hate those fucks, if someone would have told me yeah I woulda paid more attention in french class.

tbh, I was that person for my particular office when I worked for Elections Canada (well, kinda, I'm an Anglophone who can speak French). The fact that I was more efficient than anyone else they hired probably didn't hurt, but the fact that they legally required a French speaker in the office probably helped push me over the edge for getting 40 hour weeks after the initial phase of the job was over.

(It also came in handy twice, which I was not expecting given that this was in the GTA.)
GTA? Nah man, english turf. If there's one thing us anglophones are known for, it's staunchly refusing to learn another language, unless we're turning their words into english ones.
And yeah, you're one of the "fucks" that I can't hate, anglophones that did the properly upwardly mobile thing and learned french while in the middle of Anglophonia. It's, like, the thing I'd do over.
Now that aside, the quebecois are degenerates, absolute degenerates. Bless their souls for it. Last thing anyone wants is Ontario dictating what degeneracy we can and cannot partake in.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:06 pm

Kubra wrote:
Dakini wrote:tbh, I was that person for my particular office when I worked for Elections Canada (well, kinda, I'm an Anglophone who can speak French). The fact that I was more efficient than anyone else they hired probably didn't hurt, but the fact that they legally required a French speaker in the office probably helped push me over the edge for getting 40 hour weeks after the initial phase of the job was over.

(It also came in handy twice, which I was not expecting given that this was in the GTA.)
GTA? Nah man, english turf. If there's one thing us anglophones are known for, it's staunchly refusing to learn another language, unless we're turning their words into english ones.
And yeah, you're one of the "fucks" that I can't hate, anglophones that did the properly upwardly mobile thing and learned french while in the middle of Anglophonia. It's, like, the thing I'd do over.
Now that aside, the quebecois are degenerates, absolute degenerates. Bless their souls for it. Last thing anyone wants is Ontario dictating what degeneracy we can and cannot partake in.

Learning a second language is always a good thing. Being in a French Immersion programme from kindergarten until the end of secondary school probably helped a lot though. I think everyone should have the opportunity to learn a second language.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:11 pm

Dakini wrote:
Kubra wrote: GTA? Nah man, english turf. If there's one thing us anglophones are known for, it's staunchly refusing to learn another language, unless we're turning their words into english ones.
And yeah, you're one of the "fucks" that I can't hate, anglophones that did the properly upwardly mobile thing and learned french while in the middle of Anglophonia. It's, like, the thing I'd do over.
Now that aside, the quebecois are degenerates, absolute degenerates. Bless their souls for it. Last thing anyone wants is Ontario dictating what degeneracy we can and cannot partake in.

Learning a second language is always a good thing. Being in a French Immersion programme from kindergarten until the end of secondary school probably helped a lot though.
Well yeah but some are more equal than others. My many school years of jap means I stutter and mumble my way to a beer about as well as I can in french, except the latter only cost me a semester and is also, you know, actually valuable.
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Postby Luziyca » Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:25 pm

Dakini wrote:
Kubra wrote: GTA? Nah man, english turf. If there's one thing us anglophones are known for, it's staunchly refusing to learn another language, unless we're turning their words into english ones.
And yeah, you're one of the "fucks" that I can't hate, anglophones that did the properly upwardly mobile thing and learned french while in the middle of Anglophonia. It's, like, the thing I'd do over.
Now that aside, the quebecois are degenerates, absolute degenerates. Bless their souls for it. Last thing anyone wants is Ontario dictating what degeneracy we can and cannot partake in.

Learning a second language is always a good thing. Being in a French Immersion programme from kindergarten until the end of secondary school probably helped a lot though. I think everyone should have the opportunity to learn a second language.

Yeah: my elementary school had a French class in Grade 4 for older grades but the following year they nixed it in favor of an art teacher. Honestly, even with a couple uni-level French classes (one of which I need to retake because learning a foreign language online isn't great), I'm kinda shit at French.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:25 am

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:26 am



It's one of those things to me where you think "yes, there isn't any real reason to oppose this, but could they be doing something more substantive/with a material benefit to First Nations people?"

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Postby Kubra » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:28 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Kubra wrote: On one hand, uh, cool, I guess, but if ever there was a legitimate case of "virtue signalling" that's pretty well up there.
And I mean, given the second article, well.....


It's one of those things to me where you think "yes, there isn't any real reason to oppose this, but could they be doing something more substantive/with a material benefit to First Nations people?"
Which is the main reason I used that contentious term "virtue signalling": they'll do that, but man it'll be christmas in july before the government drops those court cases.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:19 am

The Canadian Postal Union wants a better Postal Service

With its contracts expiring in 2022, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers is stepping up the fight for its own vision of the post office of the future.
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The origins of the plan go back nearly a decade to CUPW’s defense against austerity measures that aimed to privatize the postal service and crush its union.

In 2013, Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative government backed a set of draconian attacks on Canada Post. The most polarizing was the replacement of door-to-door delivery with clusters of outdoor “community mailboxes.”

Community mailboxes were justified as cost-cutting measures; they would have slashed thousands of postal jobs. They were extremely unpopular, especially with seniors, who didn’t want to lose home delivery and have to make their way down the street in nasty weather to pick up their mail.

Postal workers fought back. CUPW’s “Save Canada Post” campaign in 2015 galvanized Canadians and made the “reforms” a hot-button issue in that year’s election. Candidates promised to “save home mail.”

It was “one of the first times we were actually able to successfully put our agenda as a federal election issue,” said Basia Sokal, a letter carrier in Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Shortly after Justin Trudeau was elected Prime Minister that fall, the conversion to community mailboxes was halted (though the ones that had already been introduced were never reversed).

Still, Canada Post faced major questions. With letter mail declining, where could the postal system find new revenue streams? The new government promised to conduct a review.

CUPW saw a major opportunity to propose a transformative, labor-driven vision for a reimagined post office. The result was Delivering Community Power.

DCP was introduced to the public in 2016. In a joint press conference with representatives of labor, environmental, and community groups, CUPW’s then-president Mike Palecek called “for the interests of all Canadians, including seniors, people with disabilities, Indigenous peoples, rural communities, and lower-income families, to be taken into account” in the federal review.

Instead of cuts and privatization, he said, Canada Post should be reimagined to help society meet the challenges ahead.

What will it take to win? The union’s campaign for DCP has emphasized coalitions with the public, especially environmentalists—but also building support in the union’s own rank and file.

“We focused on trying to mobilize the membership, going work floor to work floor all across the country,” said former CUPW staff organizer James Hutt. “For me, just seeing the network of leaders that was built across the country was phenomenal.”

CUPW tried to advance DCP demands in bargaining during 2018. As negotiations stalled, postal workers carried out rolling strikes; that November, the Canadian government passed legislation to force strikers back to work. Arbitration began in January 2019 and lasted nearly 500 days until June 2020. The DCP campaign slowed down.

But now CUPW is gearing up for a new round of negotiations next year. Brahm Enslin, the DCP campaign coordinator for the western Prairie region, says the union is trying to spread its public message far and wide.

“[T]here is a plan to hit it from different angles, whether that’s advertising, through worker interaction, conversations through our labor groups, labor affiliates,” he said. The campaign is also trying to win endorsements from municipalities and provincial and federal parties.

To win these bold demands will require a willingness to take militant action that can provide leverage at the bargaining table, says Roland Schmidt, president of the CUPW local in Edmonton, Alberta. This means postal workers must prepare to confront back-to-work legislation.

“To win something like this transformative policy, it’s going to take making a stand,” he says. “If we want to be successful at the bargaining table and in enforcing our demands, we need our members to buy into what the union is doing.”

Schmidt says his local’s “organizing-first strategy” has helped DCP gain credibility with members in Edmonton. The union needs to “be present on the work floors, to educate members, to give them that training and those skills and that confidence to organize themselves.”

It also helps, he says, that DCP is such a “solid program.

“It has tremendous implications not only for our members,” he said, “but for all of Canada and the rest of the labor movement.”
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A core idea of the Delivering Community Power plan is that Canada Post can become a leader in addressing our climate crisis through “greening the post office.”

Canada Post has the nation’s largest publicly owned vehicle fleet. (The same is true of the U.S. Postal Service.) DCP calls for this fleet to be converted to electric vehicles, powered by renewable energy. It also proposes green retrofitting of all postal buildings to add solar panels and increase energy efficiency.

These measures would put the post office at the forefront of addressing the climate crisis. And they would have the added benefit of creating new union manufacturing jobs in Canada.

The proposal would also establish public charging stations for green vehicles at post offices.

CUPW likes to emphasize that what makes Canada Post such a great fit for these initiatives is that post offices already exist everywhere across the nation, and they’re already owned by the public.

It’s a campaign talking point that there are more post offices in Canada than there are Tim Hortons, the country’s iconic coffee chain.

“We own the biggest retail network in the country,” says a 2019 DCP pamphlet. “What will we do with it?”

This same logic makes postal banking another core plank. Offering basic financial services at post offices could be a win-win: providing revenue to finance green energy initiatives, while also offering non-predatory banking options to working people and marginalized urban and remote rural communities.

Edmonton local president Roland Schmidt sees postal banking as “the most inspiring aspect” of DCP. It “will be what subsidizes our parcel business in order to compete with Amazon and keep them out of our market share,” he says.

Post offices would also become hubs offering free, high-speed Internet access—especially vital for people in rural areas who lack reliable broadband access.

“We already have the public coming” to the post office, says letter carrier Basia Sokal. “Why not offer additional services? Sort of like the library does.”

Door-to-door delivery is reimagined to include elder care, checking on seniors and delivering necessities to their doors, and improving services for First Nations and Inuit communities, many of whom are underserviced and remotely located.

Expanding door-to-door delivery and services—not just for mail and parcels, but for groceries and more—would strengthen the social fabric of communities and help cut down on traffic. It could bring in new revenue while countering the rise of private delivery fleets like Amazon’s.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:31 am

you know its been a rough week and Im not sure where else to put this. Last month I decided to confront my father about his increasingly belligerent facebook posts about Americanized politics and its no longer in doubt that he is a racist Trump supporter despite our family being hispanic-asian and being Canadian citizens. At this point theres no point in talking him out of his beliefs, any information to the contrary is deemed as a personal attack instead of part of the critical thinking exercise.

Im humiliated to be related to this man. He so hates the world he does not realize he is a part of it. Hes forgotten where hes come from, is willing to take away the same safety net that he relied on when he first immigrated to Canada and despite being a person who needs the support of our government's social wellness programs he hates how other people use it and blame it on some sort of ethnic inferiority. I cant even begin to imagine how he'd treat my girlfriend who is of Thai descent.
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Green MP Jenica Atwin(Fredericton, NB)has crossed the floor to the Liberals

She gave as one of her main reasons intra-party infighting over the Israeli-Palestinian Question.
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Postby Nilokeras » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:19 pm

Shrillland wrote:Green MP Jenica Atwin(Fredericton, NB)has crossed the floor to the Liberals

She gave as one of her main reasons intra-party infighting over the Israeli-Palestinian Question.


To engage in a little kremlinology, one of the Greens' two remaining MPs, Paul Manly, also removed his party affiliation from his profile. Elizabeth May, the former party leader and Manly put out a statement saying that while they don't intend to leave the Greens there's clearly a power struggle going on between Annamie Paul's leafership office and the elected caucus of Greens on the Palestine crisis.

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Postby Anatoliyanskiy » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:01 am

Shrillland wrote:Green MP Jenica Atwin(Fredericton, NB)has crossed the floor to the Liberals

She gave as one of her main reasons intra-party infighting over the Israeli-Palestinian Question.

Lol, they might as well just merge with the Liberals or NDP at this point, the party is having trouble functioning on its own. Yet again, don't see why they even exist independently anymore, they'd achieve more for the environment with a merger with a larger party. Though which party to merge with might tear it in two again.

I'm already regretting my Green vote from 2019.
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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:17 am

Anatoliyanskiy wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Green MP Jenica Atwin(Fredericton, NB)has crossed the floor to the Liberals

She gave as one of her main reasons intra-party infighting over the Israeli-Palestinian Question.

Lol, they might as well just merge with the Liberals or NDP at this point, the party is having trouble functioning on its own. Yet again, don't see why they even exist independently anymore, they'd achieve more for the environment with a merger with a larger party. Though which party to merge with might tear it in two again.

I'm already regretting my Green vote from 2019.


they dont regret voting for who you voted for, it lets campaign initiatives see you on the board.

Personally I agree that the Green's time has come and gone. With Climate Change being a standard major policy for legitimate parties its time to side with the party thats most invested with their interests. I know for me I got into voting because of the Greens and sure enough I've been switching between Liberals and NDP depending on who is the most willing to work for me at the time.
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Postby Nilokeras » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:29 am

Anatoliyanskiy wrote:Lol, they might as well just merge with the Liberals or NDP at this point, the party is having trouble functioning on its own. Yet again, don't see why they even exist independently anymore, they'd achieve more for the environment with a merger with a larger party. Though which party to merge with might tear it in two again.

I'm already regretting my Green vote from 2019.


I'd disagree - I think probably more than any party the Greens actually have room to get their own voice and steal votes away from the Liberals and NDP. None of the parties here in Canada are particularly good at environmental issues, and climate change/environmental policy consistently ranks as an important issue among polls of Canadians. If the Greens were to put together a bold environmental agenda with, say, significant nods to Indigenous issues, they could really light a fire under the Liberals and pressure NDP voters to switch.

The problem is that the Greens are utterly failing to get out from under the shadow of Elizabeth May. Even though she's not leader she's still a sitting MP in what's pretty much the only safe Green seat, which starves the party of oxygen - Annamie Paul can't go to the usual press scrums in Parliament and have her voice heard because she's not a sitting MP, and is probably going to lose again in Toronto Centre. The forward-thinking thing for May to do would have been to step down as an MP and let Paul take her seat so that the leader can have a voice in Parliament, but she evidently didn't want to do that. The Greens also are now in an awkward situation where the party membership, which is spread across the entire country, elected a rather milquetoast centrist as leader (Paul) while the actual sitting MPs elected by a mixture of non-Green members and members within specific ridings seem to be significantly to Paul's left. So now we're faced with a leaders' office which is publicly clashing with their actual elected caucus, with seemingly no way out. Which is a shame because having the Greens as a non-NDP left of centre party and alternative to the Liberals was probably a good thing for our politics.
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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:31 am

Nilokeras wrote:
Anatoliyanskiy wrote:Lol, they might as well just merge with the Liberals or NDP at this point, the party is having trouble functioning on its own. Yet again, don't see why they even exist independently anymore, they'd achieve more for the environment with a merger with a larger party. Though which party to merge with might tear it in two again.

I'm already regretting my Green vote from 2019.


I'd disagree - I think probably more than any party the Greens actually have room to get their own voice and steal votes away from the Liberals and NDP. None of the parties here in Canada are particularly good at environmental issues, and climate change/environmental policy consistently ranks as an important issue among polls of Canadians. If the Greens were to put together a bold environmental agenda with, say, significant nods to Indigenous issues, they could really light a fire under the Liberals and pressure NDP voters to switch.

The problem is that the Greens are utterly failing to get out from under the shadow of Elizabeth May. Even though she's not leader she's still a sitting MP in what's pretty much the only safe Green seat, which starves the party of oxygen - Annamie Paul can't go to the usual press scrums in Parliament and have her voice heard because she's not a sitting MP, and is probably going to lose again in Toronto Centre. The forward-thinking thing for May to do would have been to step down as an MP and let Paul take her seat so that the leader can have a voice in Parliament, but she evidently didn't want to do that. The Greens also are now in an awkward situation where the party membership, which is spread across the entire country, elected a rather milquetoast centrist as leader (Paul) while the actual sitting MPs elected by a mixture of non-Green members and members within specific ridings seem to be significantly to Paul's left. So now we're faced with a leaders' office which is publicly clashing with their actual elected caucus, with seemingly no way out. Which is a shame because having the Greens as a non-NDP left of centre party and alternative to the Liberals was probably a good thing for our politics.


You know Nilo we have our disagreements but I have to hand it to you. you make good points here. Canada deserves the Greens' best, not whatever the fuck this shitshow is.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:48 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Anatoliyanskiy wrote:Lol, they might as well just merge with the Liberals or NDP at this point, the party is having trouble functioning on its own. Yet again, don't see why they even exist independently anymore, they'd achieve more for the environment with a merger with a larger party. Though which party to merge with might tear it in two again.

I'm already regretting my Green vote from 2019.


I'd disagree - I think probably more than any party the Greens actually have room to get their own voice and steal votes away from the Liberals and NDP. None of the parties here in Canada are particularly good at environmental issues, and climate change/environmental policy consistently ranks as an important issue among polls of Canadians. If the Greens were to put together a bold environmental agenda with, say, significant nods to Indigenous issues, they could really light a fire under the Liberals and pressure NDP voters to switch.

The problem is that the Greens are utterly failing to get out from under the shadow of Elizabeth May. Even though she's not leader she's still a sitting MP in what's pretty much the only safe Green seat, which starves the party of oxygen - Annamie Paul can't go to the usual press scrums in Parliament and have her voice heard because she's not a sitting MP, and is probably going to lose again in Toronto Centre. The forward-thinking thing for May to do would have been to step down as an MP and let Paul take her seat so that the leader can have a voice in Parliament, but she evidently didn't want to do that. The Greens also are now in an awkward situation where the party membership, which is spread across the entire country, elected a rather milquetoast centrist as leader (Paul) while the actual sitting MPs elected by a mixture of non-Green members and members within specific ridings seem to be significantly to Paul's left. So now we're faced with a leaders' office which is publicly clashing with their actual elected caucus, with seemingly no way out. Which is a shame because having the Greens as a non-NDP left of centre party and alternative to the Liberals was probably a good thing for our politics.


It wasn't that May didn't want to do that, it was that Paul didn't want to leave Toronto Centre. I remember when she got the job, she made it quite clear that Toronto Centre was her home and that she wouldn't stand for a safer seat in British Columbia or New Brunswick simply for political conveniene, she wanted to be MP for her own neighbourhoods....which is admirable up until the point that she's denying political reality to run in one of the safest Liberal seats in the country.
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Refugee support group files court application to try to force Ottawa to stop the importation of goods from the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region unless it is proven the items were not made using forced labour

A refugee support group has filed a court application to try and force Ottawa to stop the import of goods from the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region unless it is proven the items were not made using forced labour.

Last November, Canadians in Support of Refugees in Dire Need (CSRDN) said it asked the Canada Border Services Agency to use existing legislation to ban items made in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region but was told the agency didn’t have the authority to enforce the act by region.

“We’re calling their bluff,” said David Kilgour, a former MP and member of CSRDN.

The organization, which helps settle refugees in Canada, filed an application in federal court in Winnipeg in February. Last week Ottawa asked for a 10-day extension to respond.

The application argues the border agency has the authority to presumptively ban the import of items made in Xinjiang unless the importer can show proof they were not made with forced labour. Canada prohibits goods made wholly or in part with forced labour from entering the country, with the CBSA having the authority to stop goods if it has concerns.

The refugee agency wants border officials to automatically presume goods from Xinjiang are tainted by forced labour and prevent entry, placing the burden on importers to prove otherwise in accordance with the Customs Act.

The border agency said it would not comment on the application because it is before the courts. [...] Human rights organizations have also raised concerns that Uyghurs are being forced to work in factories across China.

David Matas, a human rights lawyer working on the CSRDN application and member of the group, said both the Customs Act and the Customs Tariff already put the onus on those importing goods to ensure they are made without forced labour.

“Every single good that comes in, the onus is on the person,” Matas said in an interview. “So why should it be different when they’re dealing with a region?”

Matas argues the border agency could use the Customs Act to prevent merchandise from Xinjiang entering the country unless the importer presents “clear and convincing evidence” the goods were not made from forced labour. He said if the judge rules in CSRDN’s favour, and the border agency refuses to act, the refusal could be challenged in court.
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In non-terrorism news, the federal government announced Monday that Indigenous people can now apply to reclaim their traditional names on passports and other government ID.

Frankly it's way overdue, and I am glad that not only does it apply to all indigenous people and not just those who survived the residential school system and their families, but that it applies immediately.
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Green Party council voting on process that could eject Annamie Paul from leadership

The Green Party federal council could vote tonight to kickstart a process that could remove Annamie Paul from the party leadership.

According to party members with knowledge of the issue, the party's federal council will hold a vote on whether to trigger a complex 30-day process under the party's constitution.

If the council votes tonight to launch that process, it will meet again on July 15. If 75 per cent of council members agree at that meeting to let a leadership vote go forward, party members could then vote to remove Paul from office through a motion at an annual general meeting.

One source said the Greens are overdue for such a meeting.

CBC News has reached out to Paul's office for comment.
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Kowani wrote:Green Party council voting on process that could eject Annamie Paul from leadership

The Green Party federal council could vote tonight to kickstart a process that could remove Annamie Paul from the party leadership.

According to party members with knowledge of the issue, the party's federal council will hold a vote on whether to trigger a complex 30-day process under the party's constitution.

If the council votes tonight to launch that process, it will meet again on July 15. If 75 per cent of council members agree at that meeting to let a leadership vote go forward, party members could then vote to remove Paul from office through a motion at an annual general meeting.

One source said the Greens are overdue for such a meeting.

CBC News has reached out to Paul's office for comment.


She hasn't even been leader for a year....and all of this over just how much support Palestine should have and what places Zionism and Anti-Zionism have in the Party. That's why Atwin crossed the floor and became more supportive of Israel at least existing in some form. Couldn't they just wait until after the byelection later this year and actually give Paul a chance to campaign? I know it's a lost cause considering Haldimand-Norfolk's safely blue and Lewis is standing for it, but at least give Paul a chance to make an effort before kicking her to the curb.
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