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When do you think the next Federal Election will be?

Before the end of 2020
4
3%
Winter 2021
4
3%
Spring 2021
21
18%
Summer 2021
16
14%
Fall 2021
29
25%
In 2022
16
14%
Full 4 year term for a minority government
28
24%
 
Total votes : 118

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Postby Slavuja » Fri May 28, 2021 7:40 am

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Postby Immortan Khan » Fri May 28, 2021 11:08 am


Like 600-700 Italian-Canadians were interned and those that were were heavily suspected or outright known to have fascist sympathies. IIRC there is even a photo of some of them holding up the Italian Fascist Flag while in one of the internment camps. It's an apology that shouldn't have been made and should be withdrawn.

Good, Quebec can go fuck itself. We should probably consider dividing Quebec as a province at the rate the Quebecois are going.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri May 28, 2021 11:29 am

Immortan Khan wrote:

Like 600-700 Italian-Canadians were interned and those that were were heavily suspected or outright known to have fascist sympathies. IIRC there is even a photo of some of them holding up the Italian Fascist Flag while in one of the internment camps. It's an apology that shouldn't have been made and should be withdrawn.

Good, Quebec can go fuck itself. We should probably consider dividing Quebec as a province at the rate the Quebecois are going.

Better Yet, why not give them Independence, make Quebec an independent nation?
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Postby Immortan Khan » Fri May 28, 2021 11:37 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Like 600-700 Italian-Canadians were interned and those that were were heavily suspected or outright known to have fascist sympathies. IIRC there is even a photo of some of them holding up the Italian Fascist Flag while in one of the internment camps. It's an apology that shouldn't have been made and should be withdrawn.

Good, Quebec can go fuck itself. We should probably consider dividing Quebec as a province at the rate the Quebecois are going.

Better Yet, why not give them Independence, make Quebec an independent nation?

Because that's caving in to the Quebecois.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 28, 2021 3:13 pm

Now, Bill 96 is posed to change the electoral math for a federal election and the Quebecois Provincial vote next year

I don't get why Legault is pushing for this anyway, CAQ's never been one to rock the boat like this before, and his argument that French usage is slipping....I don't see it myself. Anglophones are still only 10% of the population, and they're all still where they've always been, on the border with Ottawa or the US and on southern Montreal Island. Also, everything Bill 96 says is already law anyway, all this would do is pull a New Brunswick into the constitution...but a damaging one. Like the story says, now Alberta's Wexiteers are thinking about making a provincial amendment to get Alberta out of Equalisation or make the terms more favourable to them.
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Postby Yankee Rike » Fri May 28, 2021 3:16 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:

Like 600-700 Italian-Canadians were interned and those that were were heavily suspected or outright known to have fascist sympathies. IIRC there is even a photo of some of them holding up the Italian Fascist Flag while in one of the internment camps. It's an apology that shouldn't have been made and should be withdrawn.


That's not a reason to intern someone.
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Postby Yankee Rike » Fri May 28, 2021 3:16 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:

Like 600-700 Italian-Canadians were interned and those that were were heavily suspected or outright known to have fascist sympathies. IIRC there is even a photo of some of them holding up the Italian Fascist Flag while in one of the internment camps. It's an apology that shouldn't have been made and should be withdrawn.


That's not a reason to intern someone.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri May 28, 2021 3:21 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Like 600-700 Italian-Canadians were interned and those that were were heavily suspected or outright known to have fascist sympathies. IIRC there is even a photo of some of them holding up the Italian Fascist Flag while in one of the internment camps. It's an apology that shouldn't have been made and should be withdrawn.

Good, Quebec can go fuck itself. We should probably consider dividing Quebec as a province at the rate the Quebecois are going.

Better Yet, why not give them Independence, make Quebec an independent nation?


One Canada united. No divides.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri May 28, 2021 3:24 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Better Yet, why not give them Independence, make Quebec an independent nation?


One Canada united. No divides.


Why?
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Postby Kowani » Fri May 28, 2021 6:43 pm

Quebec's legislature passes unanimous motion calling for an emoji of the Quebec flag

The motion was presented by the Parti Québécois. Leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon acknowledged the "lighter" nature of his motion, but also complained that other autonomous regions, like Scotland, have their own emojis.

"Quebec has the same right as several other nations around the world, the right to be proud and display this pride on social media," Plamondon said Wednesday morning in Quebec City.

The wording of the non-binding motion invokes the importance of having a "distinct visual identity" on the internet.

It also calls on the government to ask for an emoji "as soon as possible" from the Unicode Consortium, the non-profit organization that sets international standards for the exchange of text data.

The motion received the support of all four parties in the National Assembly, and was passed without debate.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri May 28, 2021 6:45 pm

Kowani wrote:Quebec's legislature passes unanimous motion calling for an emoji of the Quebec flag

The motion was presented by the Parti Québécois. Leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon acknowledged the "lighter" nature of his motion, but also complained that other autonomous regions, like Scotland, have their own emojis.

"Quebec has the same right as several other nations around the world, the right to be proud and display this pride on social media," Plamondon said Wednesday morning in Quebec City.

The wording of the non-binding motion invokes the importance of having a "distinct visual identity" on the internet.

It also calls on the government to ask for an emoji "as soon as possible" from the Unicode Consortium, the non-profit organization that sets international standards for the exchange of text data.

The motion received the support of all four parties in the National Assembly, and was passed without debate.


i want US state flag emojis
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Postby Kowani » Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Kowani wrote:Quebec's legislature passes unanimous motion calling for an emoji of the Quebec flag

The motion was presented by the Parti Québécois. Leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon acknowledged the "lighter" nature of his motion, but also complained that other autonomous regions, like Scotland, have their own emojis.

"Quebec has the same right as several other nations around the world, the right to be proud and display this pride on social media," Plamondon said Wednesday morning in Quebec City.

The wording of the non-binding motion invokes the importance of having a "distinct visual identity" on the internet.

It also calls on the government to ask for an emoji "as soon as possible" from the Unicode Consortium, the non-profit organization that sets international standards for the exchange of text data.

The motion received the support of all four parties in the National Assembly, and was passed without debate.


i want US state flag emojis

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Postby Luziyca » Sat May 29, 2021 4:13 pm

A mass grave has been found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School which according to the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Kukpi7 Chief, "these missing children are undocumented deaths."
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Postby Kubra » Sat May 29, 2021 5:13 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Better Yet, why not give them Independence, make Quebec an independent nation?


One Canada united. No divides.
The other provinces don't know it, but they need quebec in confederation to protect them from ontario prudishness.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Sat May 29, 2021 6:15 pm

Luziyca wrote:A mass grave has been found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School which according to the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Kukpi7 Chief, "these missing children are undocumented deaths."

Yeah this has been...heartbreaking, to say the least. I will not be surprised if there are more undocumented deaths that are found using similar methods in the years to come. In fact, there should be a full blown inquiry into the matter.
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 29, 2021 6:53 pm

Luziyca wrote:A mass grave has been found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School which according to the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Kukpi7 Chief, "these missing children are undocumented deaths."

That's a strange way to spell murder/manslaughter.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat May 29, 2021 9:23 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
Luziyca wrote:A mass grave has been found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School which according to the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Kukpi7 Chief, "these missing children are undocumented deaths."

Yeah this has been...heartbreaking, to say the least. I will not be surprised if there are more undocumented deaths that are found using similar methods in the years to come. In fact, there should be a full blown inquiry into the matter.

Definitely. I'm almost certain there are more mass graves that we do not know about, given how widespread residential schools were across the country, and I think there should be a full-blown inquiry on the matter.

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Luziyca wrote:A mass grave has been found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School which according to the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Kukpi7 Chief, "these missing children are undocumented deaths."

That's a strange way to spell murder/manslaughter.

Yes, given the Canadian government and the churches (the Catholic Church in this instance) were responsible for the conditions within the schools.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat May 29, 2021 10:22 pm

If a inquiry isn't made on this case of mass graves being found I will be shocked.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun May 30, 2021 11:54 am

Dresderstan wrote:If a inquiry isn't made on this case of mass graves being found I will be shocked.

I wouldn't be.

On that note, the federal government will be lowering flags to half-mast "to honour the 215 children whose lives were taken at the former Kamloops residential school and all Indigenous children who never made it home, the survivors, and their families." While I feel it is lip service that won't lead to further action, if I were in the same position as Trudeau, I'd probably have lowered the flags to half-mast on the day the bodies were found.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 30, 2021 6:27 pm

Allegations that social workers in British Colombia forced Indigenous girls to get IUDs


A Vancouver lawyer has alleged that social workers in British Columbia have been forcing Indigenous children as young as 9 to have IUDs inserted by doctors.

Breen Ouellette, who is Métis and once served as counsel for the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, said on Twitter last week he learned of incidents within the past decade in which Indigenous children in foster care were forced to get IUDs instead of access to safer care. “In what reality does a social worker believe the appropriate response to a nine year old in foster care who is at risk of statutory rape is not to protect them, but to force that child to be subjected to an IUD insertion?” Ouellette wrote.

When contacted by VICE World News, Ouellette said he could not offer any further information about the victim or victims of the practice he outlined because they are not yet ready to speak out about their experiences.

“The tweet was not intended to go viral. It was not intended to attract media attention. It was just a moment of frustration,” he said.

“The people that I’m speaking with are not at a stage where they’re willing to go public themselves, and so the amount of information that I can provide to you is extremely limited.”

In a joint statement, the B.C. Ministry of Health and Ministry of Children and Family Development said neither were aware of this practice happening in B.C., but they encouraged anyone with information about these allegations to make a report through the province’s new anti-racism reporting portal.

The province’s Representative for Children and Youth, Jennifer Charlesworth, said in a statement sent to VICE World News reports of such incidents have not reached her office. “I am shocked by this allegation and deeply concerned about the traumatic impact such an experience would have on a child or youth,” she said, adding her office will be following up and seeking further information.

For Ouellette, promises of investigations ring hollow after what he witnessed as counsel for the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls roughly three years ago.

"Women were coming forward with allegations in 2018 that they’d been sterilized coercively,” Ouellette said. “They've been told that after giving birth in hospitals, if they didn't agree to sterilization right there on the spot, that they’d have their children taken away and put in foster care.” Yet, he says there have been no criminal charges, licence suspensions, or professional consequences for the doctors involved.

“There have been accusations of genocide by a federal independent commission appointed by the federal government itself,” he said, referring to the final report resulting from the inquiry, a part of which states forced sterilization of Indigenous women was happening as recently as 2019. “We don’t see any action on that. So it’s frustrating to see all these promises, but there’s a long and recent history of nothing actually being done.”

In his recent allegations, Ouellette points to social workers as perpetrators of forced sterilization when it comes to Indigenous children in foster care—a number that far exceeds non-Indigenous children in care.

According to Michael Crawford, president of the BC Association of Social Workers, not every social worker in the province is required to register with the industry’s regulatory college.

This means there’s no universal code of ethics, uniform education requirement, or set standards for disciplinary action, like there are for physicians, occupational therapists, and others.

Unlike in some other provinces, social workers who work for the B.C. government, a municipality, treaty First Nation, and some other sectors are not required to register with the BC College of Social Workers. The only oversight comes from their employer.

“When this Vancouver-based lawyer says social workers did a certain thing, we have no guarantee that the people that are being referred to are actually social workers, because social worker is not a protected title in British Columbia,” said Crawford.

“You can’t run around and call yourself a psychologist or physician or surgeon, etc. because those titles are all protected in British Columbia. Social work is not.”
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Postby Luziyca » Sun May 30, 2021 6:44 pm

Kowani wrote:Allegations that social workers in British Colombia forced Indigenous girls to get IUDs


A Vancouver lawyer has alleged that social workers in British Columbia have been forcing Indigenous children as young as 9 to have IUDs inserted by doctors.

Breen Ouellette, who is Métis and once served as counsel for the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, said on Twitter last week he learned of incidents within the past decade in which Indigenous children in foster care were forced to get IUDs instead of access to safer care. “In what reality does a social worker believe the appropriate response to a nine year old in foster care who is at risk of statutory rape is not to protect them, but to force that child to be subjected to an IUD insertion?” Ouellette wrote.

When contacted by VICE World News, Ouellette said he could not offer any further information about the victim or victims of the practice he outlined because they are not yet ready to speak out about their experiences.

“The tweet was not intended to go viral. It was not intended to attract media attention. It was just a moment of frustration,” he said.

“The people that I’m speaking with are not at a stage where they’re willing to go public themselves, and so the amount of information that I can provide to you is extremely limited.”

In a joint statement, the B.C. Ministry of Health and Ministry of Children and Family Development said neither were aware of this practice happening in B.C., but they encouraged anyone with information about these allegations to make a report through the province’s new anti-racism reporting portal.

The province’s Representative for Children and Youth, Jennifer Charlesworth, said in a statement sent to VICE World News reports of such incidents have not reached her office. “I am shocked by this allegation and deeply concerned about the traumatic impact such an experience would have on a child or youth,” she said, adding her office will be following up and seeking further information.

For Ouellette, promises of investigations ring hollow after what he witnessed as counsel for the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls roughly three years ago.

"Women were coming forward with allegations in 2018 that they’d been sterilized coercively,” Ouellette said. “They've been told that after giving birth in hospitals, if they didn't agree to sterilization right there on the spot, that they’d have their children taken away and put in foster care.” Yet, he says there have been no criminal charges, licence suspensions, or professional consequences for the doctors involved.

“There have been accusations of genocide by a federal independent commission appointed by the federal government itself,” he said, referring to the final report resulting from the inquiry, a part of which states forced sterilization of Indigenous women was happening as recently as 2019. “We don’t see any action on that. So it’s frustrating to see all these promises, but there’s a long and recent history of nothing actually being done.”

In his recent allegations, Ouellette points to social workers as perpetrators of forced sterilization when it comes to Indigenous children in foster care—a number that far exceeds non-Indigenous children in care.

According to Michael Crawford, president of the BC Association of Social Workers, not every social worker in the province is required to register with the industry’s regulatory college.

This means there’s no universal code of ethics, uniform education requirement, or set standards for disciplinary action, like there are for physicians, occupational therapists, and others.

Unlike in some other provinces, social workers who work for the B.C. government, a municipality, treaty First Nation, and some other sectors are not required to register with the BC College of Social Workers. The only oversight comes from their employer.

“When this Vancouver-based lawyer says social workers did a certain thing, we have no guarantee that the people that are being referred to are actually social workers, because social worker is not a protected title in British Columbia,” said Crawford.

“You can’t run around and call yourself a psychologist or physician or surgeon, etc. because those titles are all protected in British Columbia. Social work is not.”

Fucking hell.

At the bare minimum the BC College of Social Workers should oversee all social workers in the province, but honestly there needs to be significant reforms. And for fuck's sake get that kid out of that home and revoke the home's license.
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Postby Peoples Republic of Xabia » Mon May 31, 2021 4:37 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Better Yet, why not give them Independence, make Quebec an independent nation?


One Canada united. No divides.

Quebec has the right to self-determination like everybody else.
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Postby Luziyca » Mon May 31, 2021 5:09 pm

Peoples Republic of Xabia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
One Canada united. No divides.

Quebec has the right to self-determination like everybody else.

Exactly. While my personal preference would be for Quebec to stay in Canada, even if admittedly it's just so we can say "we have actual culture, look at Quebec," if they want to leave, I'll respect their will.

I'm almost certain that if they held a referendum that everyone in Canada could vote on, I think many would vote to boot Quebec out.
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Postby Slavuja » Mon May 31, 2021 5:18 pm

Luziyca wrote:Exactly. While my personal preference would be for Quebec to stay in Canada, even if admittedly it's just so we can say "we have actual culture, look at Quebec," if they want to leave, I'll respect their will.

I'm almost certain that if they held a referendum that everyone in Canada could vote on, I think many would vote to boot Quebec out.

It's a choice between being a international heavyweight or just an average western country. Though I'd say that those who would vote to boot Quebec from the confederation are the same who think that Canada should lower its international engagement with the UN and in general. My preference is to do our best to keep Canada together cause we've done a lot of good in terms of diplomacy and conflict resolution and the world could really use more stabilizing factors.
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Postby Arisyan » Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:44 am

Luziyca wrote:
Peoples Republic of Xabia wrote:Quebec has the right to self-determination like everybody else.

Exactly. While my personal preference would be for Quebec to stay in Canada, even if admittedly it's just so we can say "we have actual culture, look at Quebec," if they want to leave, I'll respect their will.

I'm almost certain that if they held a referendum that everyone in Canada could vote on, I think many would vote to boot Quebec out.


Honestly, I think we should keep Quebec inside Canada, for multiple reasons:

-they contribute a lot to our identity, and without them French would most likely cease being a co-official language
-they would suppress the rights of minorities, specifically non-french speakers, without the federal government telling them not to
-separatist sentiment has died down a ton recently, and I don't think there is actually much support for independence in Quebec anymore
-it would screw up our borders immensely, as it would make New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador all exclaves, along with disrupting a lot of travel
-it would also stir up dormant separatist movements, like Wexit which may gain more support as they can say "if they can leave, so can we!", along with the East being alienated and probably wanting to leave too
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