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Who do you intend to vote for in the next Federal General Election?

Liberals
33
13%
Conservatives
72
29%
NDP
72
29%
Bloc Quebecois
15
6%
Greens
11
4%
PPC
13
5%
None of the above (please explain why in the thread)
34
14%
 
Total votes : 250

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Creator Land
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Founded: Jul 02, 2020
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Postby Creator Land » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:36 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Yeah, I expect the Tories will be voting against the budget no matter what.

I do wish there was pharmacare too, but, let's be honest, the Liberals are never going to commit to that, given they've been promising pharmacare since the 1990s and we've never gotten it, I think it's going to take a couple provinces having NDP governments and instituting these policies before we come close to having a national pharmacare program.

The Liberals can't even get clean water to indigenous communities. Pharmacare is a lost cause.


NDP or Green. Because us Green have also promised pharmacare, and I believe that if we get together and get the 2 big parties out we will do better as a country. The Green is also a viable pharmacare option.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:37 am

Creator Land wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:The Liberals can't even get clean water to indigenous communities. Pharmacare is a lost cause.


NDP or Green. Because us Green have also promised pharmacare, and I believe that if we get together and get the 2 big parties out we will do better as a country. The Green is also a viable pharmacare option.


Yeah, but you guys are still viable in only a dozen ridings across three provinces if that. I'm not dismissing the Greens by any means, it's more an indictment of Trudeau's backstabbing.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:07 am

Shrillland wrote:
Arisyan wrote:
It seems as if no party can get clean water to indigenous nations. It's apparently something so difficult and mind-boggling that there have been boil water advisories off and on since 2015. How on earth could we solve this problem?


By actually treating First Nations peoples as something more than a political/virtue signaling bargaining chip, for a start.

Not gonna happen until Trudeau is out, at the bare minimum.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:43 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Yeah, I expect the Tories will be voting against the budget no matter what.

I do wish there was pharmacare too, but, let's be honest, the Liberals are never going to commit to that, given they've been promising pharmacare since the 1990s and we've never gotten it, I think it's going to take a couple provinces having NDP governments and instituting these policies before we come close to having a national pharmacare program.

The Liberals can't even get clean water to indigenous communities. Pharmacare is a lost cause.
That's because no one can, at least as it stands. You're acting like this is the first thing you've heard about the reservation blues.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:06 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
By actually treating First Nations peoples as something more than a political/virtue signaling bargaining chip, for a start.

Not gonna happen until Trudeau is out, at the bare minimum.


I doubt he's going to lose the next election.

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Postby Slavuja » Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:02 am

San Lumen wrote:I doubt he's going to lose the next election.

I heard they're planning to have elections once the vaccination campaign is done. I think that'll definitely give him a boost in the polls
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Postby Arisyan » Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:19 am

Shrillland wrote:
Arisyan wrote:
It seems as if no party can get clean water to indigenous nations. It's apparently something so difficult and mind-boggling that there have been boil water advisories off and on since 2015. How on earth could we solve this problem?


By actually treating First Nations peoples as something more than a political/virtue signaling bargaining chip, for a start.


I was being sarcastic, though I guess that's hard to tell on the internet. I totally agree however.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:42 am

Slavuja wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I doubt he's going to lose the next election.

I heard they're planning to have elections once the vaccination campaign is done. I think that'll definitely give him a boost in the polls

I say that’s very likely. Liberals probably get a majority government.
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Postby Luziyca » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:07 pm

In Saskatchewan, age eligibility will be dropping to 44 tomorrow, and a week after that, to 40. Once the second happens, "priority groups like teachers, first responders and professionals like dentists and chiropractors of any age will be eligible for vaccination" in Saskatchewan.

I am honestly glad, given that my mom is high risk, and she is just a year under the current cutoff of 48 (though in Regina or the far north, she would be eligible). But at the same time, it is quite infuriating that it took a teacher dying of COVID in Prince Albert for the provincial government to even commit to this action.

San Lumen wrote:
Slavuja wrote:I heard they're planning to have elections once the vaccination campaign is done. I think that'll definitely give him a boost in the polls

I say that’s very likely. Liberals probably get a majority government.

I honestly expect a second minority government: while I don't think he will lose, I do not think there will be a massive majority, given that the provinces have bungled the vaccine rollout.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:17 pm

It'll either be a large minority government or a small majority government for Liberals, unless something major happens between now and whenever an election is called, they will straddle the 170 line.

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Nilokeras
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Postby Nilokeras » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:28 am

On the Liberals and their somewhat lacklustre budget, there's a letter he wrote to the editors of the Globe and Mail just after he got elected to be Liberal party leader that I think perfectly encapsulates the last five years of governance and the Liberals' guiding ideology. This was his pitch to the media, finance and industry people that the Globe caters to:

The Globe and Mail wrote:The past 30 years' growth has been the product of a broadly supported economic agenda. Governments of all political stripes have been elected and re-elected, here in Canada and abroad, on a similar economic platform: openness to trade, fiscal discipline, tax competitiveness and investment in skills, research and infrastructure.

Middle-class Canadians supported this agenda because, they were promised, it would create shared prosperity. The basic bargain was that growth was good for them, and they would share fairly in its fruits. That simply hasn't happened. This is not a political argument, but a fact. While the economy has more than doubled in size in the past 30 years, middle-class incomes have gone up just 13 per cent. The only indicator that has grown apace with GDP for the middle class is household debt.

National business leaders and other wealthy Canadians should draw the following conclusion, and do so urgently: If we do not solve this problem, Canadians will eventually withdraw their support for a growth agenda. We will all be worse off as a consequence.


That last bit is key - this is Trudeau selling his party as guardians of the 'growth agenda', which he himself defines in explicitly centrist and pretty neoliberal terms. So there will never be Pharmacare or a renegotiation of First Nations rights or constitutional reform while the Liberals are in power because doing any of that would be a rejection of the 'growth agenda' he's set himself and his party up to defend. And which is probably why the Liberals are going to at least maintain their minority, since there's increasingly little space between them and the Tories with this positioning.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:48 am

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Postby Arisyan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:07 am



You know all the memes saying "this is literally 1984"? Well im starting to feel as if they're right.



It did actually pass, 178-158. But this shows that the government has a narrow majority, and the NDP might not be so nice if the pandemic ends before 2023.
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:36 am

You know I am just waiting for when the NDP either stop propping up the government, or Trudeau tries to say "fuck it" and calls an election and see how it goes. Besides the Liberals have a 6+ point lead, how badly can this go for the Liberals?

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Postby Slavuja » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:03 am

Dresderstan wrote:You know I am just waiting for when the NDP either stop propping up the government, or Trudeau tries to say "fuck it" and calls an election and see how it goes. Besides the Liberals have a 6+ point lead, how badly can this go for the Liberals?

My bet's that they're not gonna have an election until the vast majority has been vaccinated. It's just too risky cause they were accusing the conservatives of trying to force an election during a pandemic a couple months ago, nobody wants to be the one to cause an election rn. But if they time it so that it's right near the end of the vaccination campaign it'll definitely be a boost in the polls.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 04, 2021 1:40 pm

After being declared a terrorist group, Canadian Proud Boys to dissolve

People in Canada sporting Fred Perry polos or official Proud Boys insignia “are simply posers,” the far-right group said in a statement announcing that its Canadian faction is disbanding.

“There is officially no longer any Proud Boys in Canada, it’s officially dissolved,” Proud Boys Canada said Sunday on Telegram.

The Proud Boys is a white nationalist men’s group that was founded in 2016 by Canadian Gavin McInnes, who also co-founded Vice Media in the ‘90s. The Southern Poverty Law Center declared the Proud Boys a hate group for its misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and anti-immigration ideology. Several of the group’s members have been arrested and charged in connection with the insurrection on the U.S. Capitol in January.

In February, Canada designated the Proud Boys a terrorist organization.

“In the aftermath of the U.S. presidential election, we’ve seen an escalation in support that signals an escalation towards violence, for a number of different groups, including the Proud Boys,” the country’s Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said at a news conference in February. Proud Boys Canada said in a statement that its members are “not terrorists or a white supremacy group,” but rather, “regular patriotic Canadians.”

“As a fraternity of men we had thought of [pursuing] the case legally but we have no financial support, given we are not funded by the rich,” the group said.

The U.S. Proud Boys said in a separate statement of their Canadian counterpart’s decision: “Their livelihoods and that of their future generations must come first. Fighting [the terror designation] in court will prove to be expensive and time consuming, Time that must be taken away from raising their children and loving their wives. They will continue to fight for western values...but now...as individuals.”
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 04, 2021 1:46 pm

Kowani wrote:After being declared a terrorist group, Canadian Proud Boys to dissolve

People in Canada sporting Fred Perry polos or official Proud Boys insignia “are simply posers,” the far-right group said in a statement announcing that its Canadian faction is disbanding.

“There is officially no longer any Proud Boys in Canada, it’s officially dissolved,” Proud Boys Canada said Sunday on Telegram.

The Proud Boys is a white nationalist men’s group that was founded in 2016 by Canadian Gavin McInnes, who also co-founded Vice Media in the ‘90s. The Southern Poverty Law Center declared the Proud Boys a hate group for its misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and anti-immigration ideology. Several of the group’s members have been arrested and charged in connection with the insurrection on the U.S. Capitol in January.

In February, Canada designated the Proud Boys a terrorist organization.

“In the aftermath of the U.S. presidential election, we’ve seen an escalation in support that signals an escalation towards violence, for a number of different groups, including the Proud Boys,” the country’s Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said at a news conference in February. Proud Boys Canada said in a statement that its members are “not terrorists or a white supremacy group,” but rather, “regular patriotic Canadians.”

“As a fraternity of men we had thought of [pursuing] the case legally but we have no financial support, given we are not funded by the rich,” the group said.

The U.S. Proud Boys said in a separate statement of their Canadian counterpart’s decision: “Their livelihoods and that of their future generations must come first. Fighting [the terror designation] in court will prove to be expensive and time consuming, Time that must be taken away from raising their children and loving their wives. They will continue to fight for western values...but now...as individuals.”


Still in awe Canada declared the Proud Boys a terrorist organization. Absolutely based.

*sigh*

Now if only the U.S. weren't so broken and it could do the same...
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue May 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Kowani wrote:After being declared a terrorist group, Canadian Proud Boys to dissolve

People in Canada sporting Fred Perry polos or official Proud Boys insignia “are simply posers,” the far-right group said in a statement announcing that its Canadian faction is disbanding.

“There is officially no longer any Proud Boys in Canada, it’s officially dissolved,” Proud Boys Canada said Sunday on Telegram.

The Proud Boys is a white nationalist men’s group that was founded in 2016 by Canadian Gavin McInnes, who also co-founded Vice Media in the ‘90s. The Southern Poverty Law Center declared the Proud Boys a hate group for its misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and anti-immigration ideology. Several of the group’s members have been arrested and charged in connection with the insurrection on the U.S. Capitol in January.

In February, Canada designated the Proud Boys a terrorist organization.

“In the aftermath of the U.S. presidential election, we’ve seen an escalation in support that signals an escalation towards violence, for a number of different groups, including the Proud Boys,” the country’s Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said at a news conference in February. Proud Boys Canada said in a statement that its members are “not terrorists or a white supremacy group,” but rather, “regular patriotic Canadians.”

“As a fraternity of men we had thought of [pursuing] the case legally but we have no financial support, given we are not funded by the rich,” the group said.

The U.S. Proud Boys said in a separate statement of their Canadian counterpart’s decision: “Their livelihoods and that of their future generations must come first. Fighting [the terror designation] in court will prove to be expensive and time consuming, Time that must be taken away from raising their children and loving their wives. They will continue to fight for western values...but now...as individuals.”


Still in awe Canada declared the Proud Boys a terrorist organization. Absolutely based.

*sigh*

Now if only the U.S. weren't so broken and it could do the same...

And both nations declare right wing violence and leftist violence terrorists terrorists to be fair and balanced.
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