Canadian Politics

[Nea Byzantia]

No, but the absolutely mouth foaming, seething, intense rage that many Albertans feel towards Justin Trudeau has boosted separatist sentiments in the province.

25% of Albertans support separating, compared to 28% of Quebecois, according to the Calgary Herald.

Contrast that 25% to 50%, however, in this poll run by Angus Reid. It suggests that about half of Albertans support the idea of separatism. That isn't promising. 50% is insane.

Not really, no.

But if Alberta does secede (maybe we can call it, oh, Albexit?), then it'd be interesting to see how it fares, what with it being landlocked, and thus subject to the mercies of Canada and the USA, and hell, how transportation across the country fares, considering that we don't have a Trans-Canada highway through the territories.

I do feel confident that it is just some brain candy, though: while 50% of Albertans may support separating from Canada, I do have my doubts that they'll actually go with it. I think there will be a higher chance of a new party to represent Western Canadian interests over full-blown separatism.

I don't know, if Trump is still around after 2020, I think he'd be more than happy to take Alberta off of Canada's hands - especially if Alberta WANTS out.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

What's their score in the last election in Alberta, less than 1% I think? And that's with Justin in Ottawa. Wexit is not a thing.

No, but the absolutely mouth foaming, seething, intense rage that many Albertans feel towards Justin Trudeau has boosted separatist sentiments in the province.

25% of Albertans support separating, compared to 28% of Quebecois, according to the Calgary Herald.

Contrast that 25% to 50%, however, in this poll run by Angus Reid. It suggests that about half of Albertans support the idea of separatism. That isn't promising. 50% is insane.

Why on earth are they just so mad about him?

[Nea Byzantia]

No, but the absolutely mouth foaming, seething, intense rage that many Albertans feel towards Justin Trudeau has boosted separatist sentiments in the province.

25% of Albertans support separating, compared to 28% of Quebecois, according to the Calgary Herald.

Contrast that 25% to 50%, however, in this poll run by Angus Reid. It suggests that about half of Albertans support the idea of separatism. That isn't promising. 50% is insane.

Why on earth are they just so mad about him?

Because his policies are killing their Province.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Why on earth are they just so mad about him?

Because his policies are killing their Province.

Strange sense as a whole nothing has been destoyed.


Again under this Pm term this year alone added 54000 jobs with the unimpoyment rate accros canada going down.

The only exception being Alberta and the only thing that could be affecting them would be environnemental pollicys.

We need those envormental pollcys to prevent the planet from geting any more fucked.

So yes we should indeed invest in Alberta and give them more jobs. But those jobs need to be not fucking up the earth.

[Major-Tom]

Because his policies are killing their Province.

Strange sense as a whole nothing has been destoyed.


Again under this Pm term this year alone added 54000 jobs with the unimpoyment rate accros canada going down.

The only exception being Alberta and the only thing that could be affecting them would be environnemental pollicys.

We need those envormental pollcys to prevent the planet from geting any more fucked.

So yes we should indeed invest in Alberta and give them more jobs. But those jobs need to be not fucking up the earth.

I mean, the real answer is more nuanced and historical.

Ralph Klein absolutely buttfucked Alberta, as did the PCs who came after him by spending ludicrous amounts of money on the misplaced notion that the "oil prices would keep marching up, up up!" The PCs, especially Klein, simply did not prepare for the impending crisis where oil prices dropped faster than a fat kid on a seesaw.

Notley tried to clean up the mess, but frankly, Alberta is still recovering. If they wanna hate Trudeau, fine, but he's the one advocating for pipeline growth, the one actually embracing (to some extent) the oil & gas industry more than any other self-proclaimed LPC candidate or PM ever would.

Alberta is in the midst of a recovery, and Trudeau is neither responsible for the recovery nor the reason Alberta's economy took a nosedive. It's cyclical, and it's what happens when your entire province is run like a god-damned oil cabal.

To be clear, I sincerely dislike Trudeau and think he and Scheer are more similar than alike on many issues, but you can't go blaming Trudeau for "killing the industry" of a province whose premiers were the ones causing all the ruin.

[Atholl]

Why on earth are they just so mad about him?

Because his policies are killing their Province.

Alberta was in trouble long before Trudeau came into office.

The Progressive Conservatives relied on the oil train to get anywhere, and when the prices fell through the floor they were just flabbergasted!

Even under Harper, the most Albertan non-Albertan ever, we could not build a pipeline from Alberta to the coast.

[Nea Byzantia]

Because his policies are killing their Province.

Alberta was in trouble long before Trudeau came into office.

The Progressive Conservatives relied on the oil train to get anywhere, and when the prices fell through the floor they were just flabbergasted!

Even under Harper, the most Albertan non-Albertan ever, we could not build a pipeline from Alberta to the coast.

So how do you explain Wexit sentiment?

[Shrillland]

May's now predicting a Minority Government and says that's a good thing for the environment: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/green-leader-elizabeth-may-predicts-200324819.html

[Nea Byzantia]

May's now predicting a Minority Government and says that's a good thing for the environment: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/green-leader-elizabeth-may-predicts-200324819.html

Mama May should retire to her organic farm and grow cabbages (just like Diocletian)...

[Shrillland]

May's now predicting a Minority Government and says that's a good thing for the environment: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/green-leader-elizabeth-may-predicts-200324819.html

Mama May should retire to her organic farm and grow cabbages (just like Diocletian)...

Why? She's about to gain three seats out west and get a decent vote share, she's in full swing now, and you know how long minority governments tend to last.

[Nea Byzantia]

Mama May should retire to her organic farm and grow cabbages (just like Diocletian)...

Why? She's about to gain three seats out west and get a decent vote share, she's in full swing now, and you know how long minority governments tend to last.

Fine, she can retire to her cabbage farm after she destroys the Country...

[Shrillland]

Why? She's about to gain three seats out west and get a decent vote share, she's in full swing now, and you know how long minority governments tend to last.

Fine, she can retire to her cabbage farm after she destroys the Country...

Ah, so more like Diocletian than before.

[Nea Byzantia]

Fine, she can retire to her cabbage farm after she destroys the Country...

Ah, so more like Diocletian than before.

Yes

[Nea Byzantia]

Fine, she can retire to her cabbage farm after she destroys the Country...

Ah, so more like Diocletian than before.

[Dresderstan]

Mama May should retire to her organic farm and grow cabbages (just like Diocletian)...

Why? She's about to gain three seats out west and get a decent vote share, she's in full swing now, and you know how long minority governments tend to last.

Her party hit their vote ceiling already and are in like 8-9% vote wise, and with the NDP rising again the only Green seats she'll have is her own and the seat she won in a byelection earlier this year. She could definitely put pressure on the NDP in Victoria Island but I don't think she has that much to give, she could have the same number of seats she had at dissolution of 2. Even in a minority government I don't think she'd make that many gains in the next election, unless her provincial cousins in PEI and Ontario manage to do something.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Alberta was in trouble long before Trudeau came into office.

The Progressive Conservatives relied on the oil train to get anywhere, and when the prices fell through the floor they were just flabbergasted!

Even under Harper, the most Albertan non-Albertan ever, we could not build a pipeline from Alberta to the coast.

So how do you explain Wexit sentiment?

Looking at the proof wexit sentiment comes from Alberta wanting a scape goat for all there problems.

The right wing echo chambers that control Alberta just point at Justin and go "HE SJW HE BAD".

(note that again I'm saying that right wing echo chambers controll Alberta and that I am not saying that Alberta is a right wing echo chamber)

[Maqkaradj]

I do feel confident that it is just some brain candy, though: while 50% of Albertans may support separating from Canada, I do have my doubts that they'll actually go with it. I think there will be a higher chance of a new party to represent Western Canadian interests over full-blown separatism.

so the Canadian Conservative Party?

I find it hard to take Albertan separatism seriously when only 27% of Albertans identify themselves as such. A serious movement would need a substantial base among those who identify with the new nationality, like in Catalonia (Q13) or Québec in 1995.

Ukranian-Albertans?

[Shrillland]

Scheer's now saying he wants the carbon tax repealed within his government's first 100 days: https://ca.yahoo.com/news/scheer-promising-carbon-tax-history-155821738.html

I doubt he can get that through the House myself.

[Nea Byzantia]

so the Canadian Conservative Party?

I find it hard to take Albertan separatism seriously when only 27% of Albertans identify themselves as such. A serious movement would need a substantial base among those who identify with the new nationality, like in Catalonia (Q13) or Québec in 1995.

Ukranian-Albertans?

Yes, there are plenty...Most of the Europeans who settled the Prairies in the Midwest in the 19th century, were German, Polish and Ukrainian.

[Luziyca]

Scheer's now saying he wants the carbon tax repealed within his government's first 100 days: https://ca.yahoo.com/news/scheer-promising-carbon-tax-history-155821738.html

I doubt he can get that through the House myself.

I am more skeptical that he actually will repeal it. If Chretien can back down on his promise to repeal GST, I reckon Scheer probably would back down on repealing the carbon tax once in power.

[Major-Tom]

Scheer's now saying he wants the carbon tax repealed within his government's first 100 days: https://ca.yahoo.com/news/scheer-promising-carbon-tax-history-155821738.html

I doubt he can get that through the House myself.

I am more skeptical that he actually will repeal it. If Chretien can back down on his promise to repeal GST, I reckon Scheer probably would back down on repealing the carbon tax once in power.

Maybe, but even if Scheer is disingenuous, he isn't dense. If the Tories win a government, then you better believe a large portion of it was due to hysteria over "evil carbon taxes." If he doesn't act, it'll hit him in the shin the same way Trudeau got hit when he went back on proportional representation.

[Dresderstan]

Blanchet said recently that he wants another indyref on Quebec.

[Major-Tom]

Blanchet said recently that he wants another indyref on Quebec.

Way to shoot himself in the foot, tbh. Someone please correct me if I'm talking out my ass, but aren't most Quebecois wary of the prospect of another referendum?

[Saint-Thor]

Blanchet said recently that he wants another indyref on Quebec.

Way to shoot himself in the foot, tbh. Someone please correct me if I'm talking out my ass, but aren't most Quebecois wary of the prospect of another referendum?

Well, I haven't heard Blanchet saying that, and if he did, nobody's talking about it. The idea of a referendum is not on the table. Most Québécois, even the independentists, don't think it's the right time.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Blanchet said recently that he wants another indyref on Quebec.

Right so don't vote for him.