Canadian Politics

[Forumland]

Is it just me or are the polls seeing a small surge of support for the NDP?

the NDP's generating enthusiasm after Singh's debate performance. Nanos shows a 3-point uptick in their poll the day after, for example.

spoilered my responses to some posts I saw in the last few pages.

To which I say that aligning ourselves with great power with zero cultural connection to Canada would actually be a good thing, because it would allow us to develop our own distinct culture. We won't have to be so obsessed with differentiating ourselves from Americans, because us Anglophones would be different from America.

I don't understand people who desire a Marxist utopia and then advocate for a military alliance with an authoritarian government under the basis of preserving Canadian culture and national sovereignty...

Alberta should not leave and we need to create jobs for Alberta. They are apart of Canada.

independence doesn't poll very well so I don't know why people think Albertan separatism is a big issue this year.

If Alberta is a "Right-Wing Echo Chamber", then Ontario is a Left-Wing one...

Forgive this uneducated American, but isn't your home of Quebec more suited to the title of Left Wing echo chamber?

I don't think a left-wing echo chamber would elect these guys to power.

Liberterians? Might wanna double check the definition. The Québécois are not Libertarians. Or wait, actually they might have been back in the days of New France when the Royal power had little to no influence here. Btw nearly 70% of the people support bill 21. That includes many muslims and people from other faiths.

Social libertarianism. Or libertine if you prefer.

I don't care if 70% support it, it's still wrong and impinges on freedom of expression and religion.

That's not really the impression I got as an American observer. Can you explain further?

Have you followed the elections in Québec recently? The Bloc is still alive and kicking. I'm not sure if they do that in the English media but in the French ones, Trudeau and Sheer are both attacking the Bloc, mainly. Blanchet is the threat in Québec and he might grab a few very important seats (10 or 11), doubling his actual number. Enough to prevent the conservatives or the liberals from gaining majority.

Also, needless to remind you that in 2018 70% voted for nationalist (CAQ) and/or independentist parties (PQ, QS).

Would Blanchet ever make a coalition with PPC? or is PPC too conservative for him?

The BQ will never head a national government. If you were referring to provincial politics, they have different parties which rely on different electorates and Canadian politicians are predisposed towards minority governments anyway.

In conclusion, many of you should use Google more often. I did the same for my question and I'm still not sure why people would call Québec "socially libertarian."

this question's going to be relevant when the election comes, so: What is this thread's opinion on tactical voting?

[Luziyca]

Is it just me or are the polls seeing a small surge of support for the NDP?

the NDP's generating enthusiasm after Singh's debate performance. Nanos shows a 3-point uptick in their poll the day after, for example.

spoilered my responses to some posts I saw in the last few pages.

To which I say that aligning ourselves with great power with zero cultural connection to Canada would actually be a good thing, because it would allow us to develop our own distinct culture. We won't have to be so obsessed with differentiating ourselves from Americans, because us Anglophones would be different from America.

I don't understand people who desire a Marxist utopia and then advocate for a military alliance with an authoritarian government under the basis of preserving Canadian culture and national sovereignty...

Alberta should not leave and we need to create jobs for Alberta. They are apart of Canada.

independence doesn't poll very well so I don't know why people think Albertan separatism is a big issue this year.

Forgive this uneducated American, but isn't your home of Quebec more suited to the title of Left Wing echo chamber?

I don't think a left-wing echo chamber would elect these guys to power.

Social libertarianism. Or libertine if you prefer.

I don't care if 70% support it, it's still wrong and impinges on freedom of expression and religion.

That's not really the impression I got as an American observer. Can you explain further?

Would Blanchet ever make a coalition with PPC? or is PPC too conservative for him?

The BQ will never head a national government. If you were referring to provincial politics, they have different parties which rely on different electorates and Canadian politicians are predisposed towards minority governments anyway.

In conclusion, many of you should use Google more often. I did the same for my question and I'm still not sure why people would call Québec "socially libertarian."

this question's going to be relevant when the election comes, so: What is this thread's opinion on tactical voting?

As for tactical voting, it is a regrettable necessity because Trudeau broke his promise on voting reform. Even if he didn't break any of the other promises and didn't do SNC-Lavalin, I would not have voted for him regardless.

Fortunately, in my riding, the tactical choice to prevent a Tory from winning my seat is actually the NDP, which is good for me, as I'm going to vote NDP anyway.

[Forumland]

As for tactical voting, it is a regrettable necessity because Trudeau broke his promise on voting reform. Even if he didn't break any of the other promises and didn't do SNC-Lavalin, I would not have voted for him regardless.

Fortunately, in my riding, the tactical choice to prevent a Tory from winning my seat is actually the NDP, which is good for me, as I'm going to vote NDP anyway.

I just don't understand why the big two parties deserve any support if they're worried about spoiled votes for their party while refusing to implement proportional/preferential voting. If I was committed to voting third party then the only choice I could take would be to vote for my first preference anyway, because they should not earn my vote if they are willing to bar me or my preferred party from any influence in the political system.

Perhaps in a year I'll look at this differently but that's where I stand for now.

I still would like to see how you justify this post because I really don't see how you could reconcile Marxist beliefs with preserving national sovereignty/culture. Unless it falls afoul of the threadjacking rules?

[Luziyca]

As for tactical voting, it is a regrettable necessity because Trudeau broke his promise on voting reform. Even if he didn't break any of the other promises and didn't do SNC-Lavalin, I would not have voted for him regardless.

Fortunately, in my riding, the tactical choice to prevent a Tory from winning my seat is actually the NDP, which is good for me, as I'm going to vote NDP anyway.

I just don't understand why the big two parties deserve any support if they're worried about spoiled votes for their party while refusing to implement proportional/preferential voting. If I was committed to voting third party then the only choice I could take would be to vote for my first preference anyway, because they should not earn my vote if they are willing to bar me or my preferred party from any influence in the political system.

Perhaps in a year I'll look at this differently but that's where I stand for now.

Let's say A and B each have 50% support. If C emerges, with 25% of the population supporting it over A and B, then the fear is that C could pull those votes away from either A or B, which would allow the opponent to form government.

Of course they would be interested in trying to avoid this scenario as much as possible: there is a reason why the Wildrose and the PCs merged into the UCP a few years ago, so they'd be able to defeat the NDP and return to government in Alberta.

I still would like to see how you justify this post because I really don't see how you could reconcile Marxist beliefs with preserving national sovereignty/culture. Unless it falls afoul of the threadjacking rules?

Because I do feel that Marxism is, in and of itself, a utopia. It is an ideal that we should aspire to, but at the current stage of the game, I doubt that it can be achievable. But the principles of a communist utopia are something that I greatly appreciate.

The way I see it, while it would be nice for there to be global solidarity among the working classes, it may be a good idea to start with solidarity among the national working class: to this end, we should appeal to the sense of nationalism and to a sense of culture, and this is where things are astray, since for English Canada, our culture is functionally, for all intents and purposes, identical with American culture.

[Arumdaum]

Do people not like Jagmeet Singh?

[Luziyca]

Do people not like Jagmeet Singh?

Yes. I think a while back, there was an incident of some Quebecois telling Singh to take off his turban, for one.

Personally, I do like Jagmeet Singh, and I feel like he is the best choice we have for Canada in this election.

[Forumland]

Do people not like Jagmeet Singh?

He's actually become pretty popular after the debate

I would still like to know why Quebec is considered socially libertarian and whether you would tactically or not. The Marxism discussion was pretty interesting but I don't think I would be allowed to continue much further.

[Dresderstan]

So with about a week to go till the election, we're seeing the Bloc make a big comeback, the Greens have hit their ceiling, the NDP seems to be making an good uptick after the debates, the two main parties are still neck and neck and yet there might be a minority government, because with the NDP and Bloc making gains both the two main parties might just get 2/3 or less of the vote.

[Nea Byzantia]

According to the CBC website, Blanchet won the french debate.
Among viewers of the TVA debate in Quebec, Léger found that 58 per cent chose Blanchet as the winner, followed at length by Trudeau at 20 per cent, Singh at 11 per cent and Scheer at just three per cent. According to IRG, Quebecers who watched or were aware of the debate chose Blanchet by a slimmer margin over Trudeau, at 34 per cent to 26 per cent.

If it weren't for Trudeau and Scheer forcing Bernier out of the debates, im sure Bernier might have done better as he'd have more time to publicly and officially refine his policies and views. What was interesting to me was how much May and Singh dislike each other and won't even think about making a a coalition govt if need be. Would Scheer accept Bernier back?

Maybe, if Scheer gets a Minority Government; and the PPC has enough seats to be useful; I could see a Coalition form between the two Right-Wing Parties.

[Nea Byzantia]

Do people not like Jagmeet Singh?

I sure don't.

[Nea Byzantia]

I saw a couple of online polls, not a real good indicator, I'll admit.

According to the CBC website, Blanchet won the french debate.
Among viewers of the TVA debate in Quebec, Léger found that 58 per cent chose Blanchet as the winner, followed at length by Trudeau at 20 per cent, Singh at 11 per cent and Scheer at just three per cent. According to IRG, Quebecers who watched or were aware of the debate chose Blanchet by a slimmer margin over Trudeau, at 34 per cent to 26 per cent.

You a Kanadeziko, like me? (Sorry, don't have a Greek keyboard)

[Maqkaradj]

Do people not like Jagmeet Singh?

Because his campaign is mostly run on the platform of: "Vote for me i'm brown and wear a turban"

[West Leas Oros 2]

Do people not like Jagmeet Singh?

I don't. Too liberal. Reminds me too much of US "progressives".

[Luziyca]

So with about a week to go till the election, we're seeing the Bloc make a big comeback, the Greens have hit their ceiling, the NDP seems to be making an good uptick after the debates, the two main parties are still neck and neck and yet there might be a minority government, because with the NDP and Bloc making gains both the two main parties might just get 2/3 or less of the vote.

Let's just hope that all their support is not too widely spread out, because I do feel like if their support is spread out, we might get another majority government.

A minority government, especially a Liberal-NDP-Green coalition would certainly be a dream come true.

[Nea Byzantia]

So with about a week to go till the election, we're seeing the Bloc make a big comeback, the Greens have hit their ceiling, the NDP seems to be making an good uptick after the debates, the two main parties are still neck and neck and yet there might be a minority government, because with the NDP and Bloc making gains both the two main parties might just get 2/3 or less of the vote.

Let's just hope that all their support is not too widely spread out, because I do feel like if their support is spread out, we might get another majority government.

A minority government, especially a Liberal-NDP-Green coalition would certainly be a dream come true.

...And a Nightmare for those of us on the Right. On the bright side, though, you'd be virtually guaranteeing Wexit...

[Shrillland]

Whilst early voting numbers have reached over 5 million, polling in the swing ridings of the 905 show that the Liberals have a razor-thin lead because voters think the Tories are worse: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elections/liberals-resilient-in-close-race-with-tories-for-torontos-critical-burbs-poll/ar-AAIQUbX?li=AAggFp5

[Luziyca]

Let's just hope that all their support is not too widely spread out, because I do feel like if their support is spread out, we might get another majority government.

A minority government, especially a Liberal-NDP-Green coalition would certainly be a dream come true.

...And a Nightmare for those of us on the Right. On the bright side, though, you'd be virtually guaranteeing Wexit...

I've heard of that, especially some organization in Alberta using "Wexit."

Personally, Wexit is a disgusting name. It makes it very slimy: Brexit and Grexit don't sound as slimy as Wexit.

[Luziyca]

Whilst early voting numbers have reached over 5 million, polling in the swing ridings of the 905 show that the Liberals have a razor-thin lead because voters think the Tories are worse: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elections/liberals-resilient-in-close-race-with-tories-for-torontos-critical-burbs-poll/ar-AAIQUbX?li=AAggFp5

That is interesting to hear, especially how early voting numbers are high.

I do plan on casting my vote for the NDP, especially as my MP has done a decent job, and because it's the only viable party that will defeat the Tories in my riding.

[The tanks of herp]

What the hell was that terrorist threat in Mississauga?

Sense when do we have that bullshit here?

[Saint-Thor]

Let's just hope that all their support is not too widely spread out, because I do feel like if their support is spread out, we might get another majority government.

A minority government, especially a Liberal-NDP-Green coalition would certainly be a dream come true.

...And a Nightmare for those of us on the Right. On the bright side, though, you'd be virtually guaranteeing Wexit...

What's their score in the last election in Alberta, less than 1% I think? And that's with Justin in Ottawa. Wexit is not a thing.

[Luziyca]

...And a Nightmare for those of us on the Right. On the bright side, though, you'd be virtually guaranteeing Wexit...

What's their score in the last election in Alberta, less than 1% I think? And that's with Justin in Ottawa. Wexit is not a thing.

0.71% for the AIP.

I don't really think western separatism would be a huge thing, to be honest. Western alienation? Sure. But I am pretty skeptical that Western Canada will leave Canada in my lifetime.

[Major-Tom]

...And a Nightmare for those of us on the Right. On the bright side, though, you'd be virtually guaranteeing Wexit...

What's their score in the last election in Alberta, less than 1% I think? And that's with Justin in Ottawa. Wexit is not a thing.

No, but the absolutely mouth foaming, seething, intense rage that many Albertans feel towards Justin Trudeau has boosted separatist sentiments in the province.

25% of Albertans support separating, compared to 28% of Quebecois, according to the Calgary Herald.

Contrast that 25% to 50%, however, in this poll run by Angus Reid. It suggests that about half of Albertans support the idea of separatism. That isn't promising. 50% is insane.

[Luziyca]

What's their score in the last election in Alberta, less than 1% I think? And that's with Justin in Ottawa. Wexit is not a thing.

No, but the absolutely mouth foaming, seething, intense rage that many Albertans feel towards Justin Trudeau has boosted separatist sentiments in the province.

25% of Albertans support separating, compared to 28% of Quebecois, according to the Calgary Herald.

Contrast that 25% to 50%, however, in this poll run by Angus Reid. It suggests that about half of Albertans support the idea of separatism. That isn't promising. 50% is insane.

Not really, no.

But if Alberta does secede (maybe we can call it, oh, Albexit?), then it'd be interesting to see how it fares, what with it being landlocked, and thus subject to the mercies of Canada and the USA, and hell, how transportation across the country fares, considering that we don't have a Trans-Canada highway through the territories.

I do feel confident that it is just some brain candy, though: while 50% of Albertans may support separating from Canada, I do have my doubts that they'll actually go with it. I think there will be a higher chance of a new party to represent Western Canadian interests over full-blown separatism.

[Forumland]

I do feel confident that it is just some brain candy, though: while 50% of Albertans may support separating from Canada, I do have my doubts that they'll actually go with it. I think there will be a higher chance of a new party to represent Western Canadian interests over full-blown separatism.

so the Canadian Conservative Party?

I find it hard to take Albertan separatism seriously when only 27% of Albertans identify themselves as such. A serious movement would need a substantial base among those who identify with the new nationality, like in Catalonia (Q13) or Québec in 1995.

[Atholl]

Let's just hope that all their support is not too widely spread out, because I do feel like if their support is spread out, we might get another majority government.

A minority government, especially a Liberal-NDP-Green coalition would certainly be a dream come true.

...And a Nightmare for those of us on the Right. On the bright side, though, you'd be virtually guaranteeing Wexit...

Wexit is not a thing.

A Liberal-NDP coalition would ber very interesting, though, the NDP should be wary. Junior partners in coalitions rarely emerge looking better than they did going in, just as the LibDems in the United Kingdom.

I think there is a sense that the NDP, because it has never held power, will not compromise once in government. What this fails to understand however is that government is essentially about compromise. Already we have seen Singh hedge on supporting the Liberals if they continue to push for TMX.