Canadian Politics

[Luziyca]

That's only because they know that we need them more than they need us. If we align ourselves with the PRC, then I imagine we would be able to not be so concerned about what America thinks of us.

Align with the PRC then Canada loses its sovereignty, simple.

Yes, and how well did aligning ourselves with the US protect our sovereignty?

Not all that well, apparently.

[Arumdaum]

The Liberals really screwed themselves over by not pursuing electoral reform...

[Luziyca]

The Liberals really screwed themselves over by not pursuing electoral reform...

That they did.

In my riding, for example, if I don't want the Tories to win (which I don't), the only real option is the NDP, because the Liberals shot themselves in the foot by not pursuing electoral reform.

The fact that they broke that promise means that I am not going to be touching the Liberals with a 150-foot pole for this election.

[Arumdaum]

The Liberals really screwed themselves over by not pursuing electoral reform...

That they did.

In my riding, for example, if I don't want the Tories to win (which I don't), the only real option is the NDP, because the Liberals shot themselves in the foot by not pursuing electoral reform.

The fact that they broke that promise means that I am not going to be touching the Liberals with a 150-foot pole for this election.

Why did they drop it anyway? Did they really think FPTP was going to benefit them for a while? Like damn

[Nea Byzantia]

The Liberals really screwed themselves over by not pursuing electoral reform...

That they did.

In my riding, for example, if I don't want the Tories to win (which I don't), the only real option is the NDP, because the Liberals shot themselves in the foot by not pursuing electoral reform.

The fact that they broke that promise means that I am not going to be touching the Liberals with a 150-foot pole for this election.

...Not the only promise they broke either.

[Luziyca]

That they did.

In my riding, for example, if I don't want the Tories to win (which I don't), the only real option is the NDP, because the Liberals shot themselves in the foot by not pursuing electoral reform.

The fact that they broke that promise means that I am not going to be touching the Liberals with a 150-foot pole for this election.

Why did they drop it anyway? Did they really think FPTP was going to benefit them for a while? Like damn

According to the Globe and Mail:

"It has become evident that the broad support needed among Canadians for a change of this magnitude does not exist," Ms. Gould told reporters.

Really though, I think it was because FPTP would benefit them.

[Luziyca]

That they did.

In my riding, for example, if I don't want the Tories to win (which I don't), the only real option is the NDP, because the Liberals shot themselves in the foot by not pursuing electoral reform.

The fact that they broke that promise means that I am not going to be touching the Liberals with a 150-foot pole for this election.

...Not the only promise they broke either.

No, but it was the one that turned me off the Liberals. All the other things they did since then, such as the SNC-Lavalin scandal, have only cemented my decision to not vote for the Liberals.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Align with the PRC then Canada loses its sovereignty, simple.

Yes, and how well did aligning ourselves with the US protect our sovereignty?

Not all that well, apparently.

It did great.


Aligning with china isn't just off the table, its off the solar system.

[Luziyca]

Yes, and how well did aligning ourselves with the US protect our sovereignty?

Not all that well, apparently.

It did great.


Aligning with china isn't just off the table, its off the solar system.

Yeah, great if you are part of the elite who benefits from the US.

For the rest of us, with America's political volatility, it makes little sense why we should stick with the USA, when it seems like it's about to go off a cliff.

[Arumdaum]

It did great.


Aligning with china isn't just off the table, its off the solar system.

Yeah, great if you are part of the elite who benefits from the US.

For the rest of us, with America's political volatility, it makes little sense why we should stick with the USA, when it seems like it's about to go off a cliff.

Why do you feel like America's about to go off a cliff?

[Luziyca]

Yeah, great if you are part of the elite who benefits from the US.

For the rest of us, with America's political volatility, it makes little sense why we should stick with the USA, when it seems like it's about to go off a cliff.

Why do you feel like America's about to go off a cliff?

Oh, the increasing political polarization between the two sides might play something of a role.

When there are people who threaten to start a civil war over the impeachment kicking around, when there seems to be increasing mass violence in the States, and when there seems to be a feeling that America is decaying, I won't be surprised that America might be about to go off a cliff.

Which would be why I want Canada to be less reliant on America, and less aligned to China, so that if they go off a cliff, we won't end up following them down said cliff.

[Loben The 2nd]

Why do you feel like America's about to go off a cliff?

Oh, the increasing political polarization between the two sides might play something of a role.

When there are people who threaten to start a civil war over the impeachment kicking around, when there seems to be increasing mass violence in the States, and when there seems to be a feeling that America is decaying, I won't be surprised that America might be about to go off a cliff.

Which would be why I want Canada to be less reliant on America, and less aligned to China, so that if they go off a cliff, we won't end up following them down said cliff.

tbh if we go down you will most assuredly go down by virtue of proximity.

[Nea Byzantia]

Oh, the increasing political polarization between the two sides might play something of a role.

When there are people who threaten to start a civil war over the impeachment kicking around, when there seems to be increasing mass violence in the States, and when there seems to be a feeling that America is decaying, I won't be surprised that America might be about to go off a cliff.

Which would be why I want Canada to be less reliant on America, and less aligned to China, so that if they go off a cliff, we won't end up following them down said cliff.

tbh if we go down you will most assuredly go down by virtue of proximity.

Decoupling ourselves from America; or rather the attempt to do so, would bring us down in the first place - that's how intertwined we are with the Yanks.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It did great.


Aligning with china isn't just off the table, its off the solar system.

Yeah, great if you are part of the elite who benefits from the US.

For the rest of us, with America's political volatility, it makes little sense why we should stick with the USA, when it seems like it's about to go off a cliff.

It's not, it's just going to be lead by an idiot for hopefully another year before they replace him.

[Bienenhalde]

Canada should align itself in terms of foreign policy with the UK and other commonwealth states, not the US or the PRC.

[Nea Byzantia]

Canada should align itself in terms of foreign policy with the UK and other commonwealth states, not the US or the PRC.

But we already are...

[Bienenhalde]

Canada should align itself in terms of foreign policy with the UK and other commonwealth states, not the US or the PRC.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Canada should align itself in terms of foreign policy with the UK and other commonwealth states, not the US or the PRC.

We are allready aligned with the UK and the Us and like I said before, PRC isn't going to happen.

[Atholl]

So, did anyone watch last night's Francophone debate? I missed it, but a lot of people are saying Scheer managed to win it hands down.

I have not heard much from it, other than it was more substantial and policy driven than the English debate.

I am curious as to where you saw people say Scheer won? His TVA debate was awful.

[Forsher]

Why did they drop it anyway? Did they really think FPTP was going to benefit them for a while? Like damn

According to the Globe and Mail:

"It has become evident that the broad support needed among Canadians for a change of this magnitude does not exist," Ms. Gould told reporters.

Really though, I think it was because FPTP would benefit them.

To be fair, electoral reform is hard.

I mean, yeah, we transitioned to MMP but we've had three referenda on it in 20 years. So in that sense you do need broad support and if you're unable to get it, the powers that be will try and revert.

On the other hand, we've got a 5% threshold which our technocrats have said is too high and which is really unpopular but no-one's seems likely to get rid of it. It's particularly bad with National since they use the threshold and its little brother the coat-tails provision to create rotten boroughs. And I think the left-leaning parties are afraid of further fracturing of support (National had eaten the right of centre parties) if they reduced the threshold.

In principle though... any popular party that is in power and able to deliver on its big promises and/or respond to a convenient exogenous shock well (e.g. some kind of tragedy) is much, much better off with proportional representation.

So either your guys are idiots, aren't lying or it's a sign that they lack confidence in their own abilities. Given some of the other posts I've seen I wonder if maybe the third option is most likely??

[Shrillland]

So, did anyone watch last night's Francophone debate? I missed it, but a lot of people are saying Scheer managed to win it hands down.

I have not heard much from it, other than it was more substantial and policy driven than the English debate.

I am curious as to where you saw people say Scheer won? His TVA debate was awful.

I saw a couple of online polls, not a real good indicator, I'll admit.

[Thermodolia]

Why do you feel like America's about to go off a cliff?

Oh, the increasing political polarization between the two sides might play something of a role.

When there are people who threaten to start a civil war over the impeachment kicking around, when there seems to be increasing mass violence in the States, and when there seems to be a feeling that America is decaying, I won't be surprised that America might be about to go off a cliff.

Which would be why I want Canada to be less reliant on America, and less aligned to China, so that if they go off a cliff, we won't end up following them down said cliff.

You’d still go down. The amount of American refugees flooding across the border would cause Canada to collapse alone

[Lemlar]

I have not heard much from it, other than it was more substantial and policy driven than the English debate.

I am curious as to where you saw people say Scheer won? His TVA debate was awful.

I saw a couple of online polls, not a real good indicator, I'll admit.

According to the CBC website, Blanchet won the french debate.
Among viewers of the TVA debate in Quebec, Léger found that 58 per cent chose Blanchet as the winner, followed at length by Trudeau at 20 per cent, Singh at 11 per cent and Scheer at just three per cent. According to IRG, Quebecers who watched or were aware of the debate chose Blanchet by a slimmer margin over Trudeau, at 34 per cent to 26 per cent.

[Lemlar]

I saw a couple of online polls, not a real good indicator, I'll admit.

According to the CBC website, Blanchet won the french debate.
Among viewers of the TVA debate in Quebec, Léger found that 58 per cent chose Blanchet as the winner, followed at length by Trudeau at 20 per cent, Singh at 11 per cent and Scheer at just three per cent. According to IRG, Quebecers who watched or were aware of the debate chose Blanchet by a slimmer margin over Trudeau, at 34 per cent to 26 per cent.

If it weren't for Trudeau and Scheer forcing Bernier out of the debates, im sure Bernier might have done better as he'd have more time to publicly and officially refine his policies and views. What was interesting to me was how much May and Singh dislike each other and won't even think about making a a coalition govt if need be. Would Scheer accept Bernier back?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

we had our best year sense 2002.

Say what you want about our PM, his eccomic plans are working for Canada.