Canadian Politics

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Where it has existed for long enough, PR has tended to produce & strengthen more small, radical parties. Here it would likely cause the Libs to lose seats to the NDP & Greens, & the Cons to lose some to the PP (& probably at least one other hard right party that would form). Many legislatures w/ PR have 10 or more parties, w/ frequent or even constant coalition gov.

That's fine. It means people will work together instead of lord power over everyone else. And where would you rather have the radicals anyway, in their own little corners or in one of the big parties trying to hijack it?

Yeah I agree with you it really isn't a strong argument that "BuT WeRe GoNnA HaVe To WoRk TogEtHeR!". European countries do it all the time, look at the Netherlands and Belgium for example, those are pretty diverse governments. It would honestly be quite useful for government.
And plus, what's wrong with radical parties winning seats? They do it all the time in other countries.

[Shrillland]

You know those annoying ads that are meant to look like news stories at news websites? The ones that have demonstrably false, clickbaity headlines? Well, now the CBC's getting into the act: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/cbc-staff-say-they-feel-betrayal-and-question-their-trust-in-management-due-to-new-branded-content-plans

[Anatoliyanskiy]

You know those annoying ads that are meant to look like news stories at news websites? The ones that have demonstrably false, clickbaity headlines? Well, now the CBC's getting into the act: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/cbc-staff-say-they-feel-betrayal-and-question-their-trust-in-management-due-to-new-branded-content-plans

It was only gonna be a matter of time until it happened tbh. Every since they had drastically change their style of news t continue to get funding from the Harper administration, and quite frankly just the federal government in general, they've had to resort to becoming a lot like American new sources and clickbaity titles and loaded words. It's sad really.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Well shit the anti vaxxers have breached our nations military

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Well shit the anti vaxxers have breached our nations military

Sh*t sh*t sh*t. It was only a matter of time ig, but I really thought we didn't have that many anti-vaxxers. Oh well.

[The Marlborough]

Well shit the anti vaxxers have breached our nations military

Sh*t sh*t sh*t. It was only a matter of time ig, but I really thought we didn't have that many anti-vaxxers. Oh well.

Only about 54% of Canadians are willing to get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as they could. Nearly 40% of people think we can beat the pandemic without a vaccine, with Millennials at about 53% thinking it is unnecessary. Support for mandatory vaccination is also declining. https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/many-canadians-arent-in-a-hurry-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Sh*t sh*t sh*t. It was only a matter of time ig, but I really thought we didn't have that many anti-vaxxers. Oh well.

Only about 54% of Canadians are willing to get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as they could. Nearly 40% of people think we can beat the pandemic without a vaccine, with Millennials at about 53% thinking it is unnecessary. Support for mandatory vaccination is also declining. https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/many-canadians-arent-in-a-hurry-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine

This is a serious problem. Do they not understand it's been rigorously tested to make sure it's safe? I-Im at a loss for words at the moment. The Federal Government better make vaccination mandatory.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

well, to get discussion back going here are opinion polling for Canadian national and provincial elections, most current

Canada: Liberals, 35, Conservatives, 29%, NDP, 23%, Bloc Quebecois, 7%, Greens, 5%, PP, averages 3%.
Yukon: Liberals, 47%, Yukon Party, 36%, NDP, 11%, Greens, 5% (note that this polling was in 2017. not very current.)
Alberta: UCP, 40%, NDP, 43%, Alberta Party, 9%, Liberals, 2%, WIP, 2%, Greens, 2%
Manitoba: PC, 37%, NDP, 41%, Liberals, 14%, Greens, 6%
Quebec: CAQ, 57%, Liberals, 17%, PQ, 11%, QS, 9%, Greens, 5%
NFL: Liberals, 58%, PC, 26%, NDP, 13%, NLA, 1%
Nova Scotia: Liberals, 37%, PC, 29%, NDP, 25%, Greens, 7%
PEI: PC, 54%, Liberals, 22%, Greens, 22%, NDP, 1%, Undecided, 20%

Most of this is updated, however there are differences between how many people are getting polled and how this data is collected, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Loben III]

Only about 54% of Canadians are willing to get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as they could. Nearly 40% of people think we can beat the pandemic without a vaccine, with Millennials at about 53% thinking it is unnecessary. Support for mandatory vaccination is also declining. https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/many-canadians-arent-in-a-hurry-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine

This is a serious problem. Do they not understand it's been rigorously tested to make sure it's safe? I-Im at a loss for words at the moment. The Federal Government better make vaccination mandatory.

I have a problem with mandatory vaccination, putting all your trust to corporations seems rather asinine.

[Shrillland]

It now appears that Canada has some backbone against China: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/ottawa-blocks-chinese-takeover-of-nunavut-gold-mine-project-after-national-security-review/ar-BB1c9aak?li=AAggXBV

TMAC's Hope Bay gold mine in Nunavut was supposed to be sold to Shandong Gold Mining, a state-run mining company. 97% of shareholders approved it, but it was stopped today after the government said it didn't pass a national security review.

[Stylan]

This is a serious problem. Do they not understand it's been rigorously tested to make sure it's safe? I-Im at a loss for words at the moment. The Federal Government better make vaccination mandatory.

I have a problem with mandatory vaccination, putting all your trust to corporations seems rather asinine.

Aren't you literally an ancap or something?

[Nilokeras]

It now appears that Canada has some backbone against China: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/ottawa-blocks-chinese-takeover-of-nunavut-gold-mine-project-after-national-security-review/ar-BB1c9aak?li=AAggXBV

TMAC's Hope Bay gold mine in Nunavut was supposed to be sold to Shandong Gold Mining, a state-run mining company. 97% of shareholders approved it, but it was stopped today after the government said it didn't pass a national security review.

I doubt we can read much into it. If the Trudeau government has proven anything it's that it doesn't have a coherent foreign policy, especially towards China, where our position as a small fish and political vassal of the US becomes immediately transparent.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

It now appears that Canada has some backbone against China: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/ottawa-blocks-chinese-takeover-of-nunavut-gold-mine-project-after-national-security-review/ar-BB1c9aak?li=AAggXBV

TMAC's Hope Bay gold mine in Nunavut was supposed to be sold to Shandong Gold Mining, a state-run mining company. 97% of shareholders approved it, but it was stopped today after the government said it didn't pass a national security review.

well ill take it I guess.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

A dumbass trys to leave the nation during a pandemic for a vacation.
And that dumbass is the Ontario finance minister.

And this is why I voted NDP.

[Arisyan]

A dumbass trys to leave the nation during a pandemic for a vacation.
And that dumbass is the Ontario finance minister.

And this is why I voted NDP.

Ah yes, good ol' fashion Doug Ford and his cronies. Never disappoint.

[Loben III]

I have a problem with mandatory vaccination, putting all your trust to corporations seems rather asinine.

Aren't you literally an ancap or something?

god no.

[Shrillland]

In our first post of '21, Charlie Angus is in trouble for criticising Israel on his Twitter: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ndp-mps-post-on-israeli-vaccinations-in-west-bank-sparks-social-media-dust-up/ar-BB1csU0D?li=AAggNb9

[Anatoliyanskiy]

In our first post of '21, Charlie Angus is in trouble for criticising Israel on his Twitter: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ndp-mps-post-on-israeli-vaccinations-in-west-bank-sparks-social-media-dust-up/ar-BB1csU0D?li=AAggNb9

Well I agree with him but he's definitely getting dropped from the caucus. OH and I love that the person who's criticizing him is none other then Yara Saaks.

[Jedi Council]

Trudeau to make a small cabinet shuffle tomorrow

I expect it to be fairly minor; the big Ministers (Freeland, Champagne, Lametti, Wilkinson, Sajjan etc) are probably not going to be moved.

Update: Navdeep Bains is leaving Innovation and will be replaced by Champagne, who will in turn be replaced as Foreign Minister by Garneau. Omar Alghabra will become Transport Minister

[Shrillland]

Trudeau to make a small cabinet shuffle tomorrow

I expect it to be fairly minor; the big Ministers (Freeland, Champagne, Lametti, Wilkinson, Sajjan etc) are probably not going to be moved.

Update: Navdeep Bains is leaving Innovation and will be replaced by Champagne, who will in turn be replaced as Foreign Minister by Garneau. Omar Alghabra will become Transport Minister

Seeing Garneau back in the top level of the cabinet isn't too bad. Pity about Champagne, but what can you do?

[Jedi Council]

Trudeau to make a small cabinet shuffle tomorrow

I expect it to be fairly minor; the big Ministers (Freeland, Champagne, Lametti, Wilkinson, Sajjan etc) are probably not going to be moved.

Update: Navdeep Bains is leaving Innovation and will be replaced by Champagne, who will in turn be replaced as Foreign Minister by Garneau. Omar Alghabra will become Transport Minister

Seeing Garneau back in the top level of the cabinet isn't too bad. Pity about Champagne, but what can you do?

There were whispers last summer that Champagne was interested in the leadership; given the fact that Freeland is Trudeau's heir apparent, the demotion to Innovation might be a sign for him to cool his jets.

[Shrillland]

Trudeau just did an interview with Reuters, he's planning on staying PM for a while: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/reuters-next-canadas-trudeau-wants-to-serve-for-number-of-more-years-rules-out-vaccine-passports/ar-BB1cKRJk?li=AAggNb9

He's also non-committal about Freeland being his successor...as opposed to every other occasion when he's made it abundantly clear.

[Nilokeras]

Trudeau just did an interview with Reuters, he's planning on staying PM for a while: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/reuters-next-canadas-trudeau-wants-to-serve-for-number-of-more-years-rules-out-vaccine-passports/ar-BB1cKRJk?li=AAggNb9

He's also non-committal about Freeland being his successor...as opposed to every other occasion when he's made it abundantly clear.

Whether or not he stays on is probably highly dependent on his winning the next election. I'm sure his advisors have done the math on an election call and their likelihood of pulling a Horgan and using their record on pandemic management to get a majority. It's difficult to see a failure to get a majority in these circumstances as anything other than a referendum on Trudeau himself, as he's been perpetually ducking in and out of scandals that center on him and his inner circle. Given the chatter that came out of the PMO around budget time and Morneau's exit I wouldn't be surprised if Freeland was a part of one or the other pro-anti stimulus factions and that might have influenced Trudeau's reticence.

[Shrillland]

Trudeau just did an interview with Reuters, he's planning on staying PM for a while: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/reuters-next-canadas-trudeau-wants-to-serve-for-number-of-more-years-rules-out-vaccine-passports/ar-BB1cKRJk?li=AAggNb9

He's also non-committal about Freeland being his successor...as opposed to every other occasion when he's made it abundantly clear.

Whether or not he stays on is probably highly dependent on his winning the next election. I'm sure his advisors have done the math on an election call and their likelihood of pulling a Horgan and using their record on pandemic management to get a majority. It's difficult to see a failure to get a majority in these circumstances as anything other than a referendum on Trudeau himself, as he's been perpetually ducking in and out of scandals that center on him and his inner circle. Given the chatter that came out of the PMO around budget time and Morneau's exit I wouldn't be surprised if Freeland was a part of one or the other pro-anti stimulus factions and that might have influenced Trudeau's reticence.

Oh, he's going to win, and probably regain his majority sometime this year. I think May or June would be the most likely date seeing as how Yukon, Nunavut, and Newfoundland and Labrador have taken up the calendar past that point.

[Nilokeras]

Whether or not he stays on is probably highly dependent on his winning the next election. I'm sure his advisors have done the math on an election call and their likelihood of pulling a Horgan and using their record on pandemic management to get a majority. It's difficult to see a failure to get a majority in these circumstances as anything other than a referendum on Trudeau himself, as he's been perpetually ducking in and out of scandals that center on him and his inner circle. Given the chatter that came out of the PMO around budget time and Morneau's exit I wouldn't be surprised if Freeland was a part of one or the other pro-anti stimulus factions and that might have influenced Trudeau's reticence.

Oh, he's going to win, and probably regain his majority sometime this year. I think May or June would be the most likely date seeing as how Yukon, Nunavut, and Newfoundland and Labrador have taken up the calendar past that point.

I've honestly given up on trying to predict things more than about a month in advance so I won't even try to speculate on an outcome. A late spring election call does seem like the smart move on the Liberals' part though - vaccine rollout will be continuing to chug on and things will hopefully start stabilizing so the Liberals can benefit from the impression of impending normalcy. The big wild card I think is going to be O'Toole's ability to break the pandemic news cycle stupor and get people paying attention again, something that nobody in the NB or BC opposition seemed to be able to do. He certainly seems to have sharper instincts than Scheer and Trudeau has handed them more than enough ammunition though so who knows. A lot will be riding on that vaccine rollout too, if there are any problems with it then O'Toole and everyone else will be right there to take advantage.