Canadian Politics

[Novus America]

Making a promise you know you cannot keep is lying.
He signed on to those targets despite having absolutely no plan to meet them, regardless of the reason. If Canada’s federal systems makes the agreement doomed he should not have signed it knowing it was doomed.
Besides how does him promising to do something he cannot do make him good?

Actually respecting the fallen might be, but this does not require going on vacation.
Does he actually respect? I doubt it considering he does not understand it given his silver spoon life and lack of military service.
And anybody can do that. Does not make him any better than millions of other people.

So we are still at weed.
Yeah he helped get you your weed. Now he has no more use.

He did everything he could to fulfil his end of the promise without overstepping the boundaries between Provincial and Federal government.

What was he supposed to do, declare a national emergency and commit drastic measures to lower emissions? Tax hike on Gas? No thanks, I don't want Canada to end up like France.


Actually, he does. He reenacts battles from 1812 and The Battle of Vimy Ridge.
Anybody can, but he did. Unlike a certain other leader who leads another allied nation from WW1 beacuse of light rain.

So you admit he could increase gas taxes!
So you admit he could do something!

Maybe you do not want him to do that, but then the honest thing to do would be say he is unable to sign the agreement as Canada is unable to abide by it. That is what he was supposed to do.

How is promising to do something and not doing it good?

And you admit something could be done, just you are not willing to actually pay for it.

Re-enactments are not anything close to understanding actual military service.
And now you are just doing the “better than Trump”.
Relative privation is not a valid argument as Trudeau is NOT running against Trump!

Better than Trump means absolutely nothing here unless Trump is running for Prime Minister of Canada.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

He did everything he could to fulfil his end of the promise without overstepping the boundaries between Provincial and Federal government.

What was he supposed to do, declare a national emergency and commit drastic measures to lower emissions? Tax hike on Gas? No thanks, I don't want Canada to end up like France.


Actually, he does. He reenacts battles from 1812 and The Battle of Vimy Ridge.
Anybody can, but he did. Unlike a certain other leader who leads another allied nation from WW1 beacuse of light rain.

So you admit he could increase gas taxes!
So you admit he could do something!

Maybe you do not want him to do that, but then the honest thing to do would be say he is unable to sign the agreement as Canada is unable to abide by it. That is what he was supposed to do.

How is promising to do something and not doing it good?

And you admit something could be done, just you are not willing to actually pay for it.

Re-enactments are not anything close to understanding actual military service.
And now you are just doing the “better than Trump”.
Relative privation is not a valid argument as Trudeau is NOT running against Trump!

Better than Trump means absolutely nothing here unless Trump is running for Prime Minister of Canada.

Both suggestions where ludacris overstepping of boundaries and political suicide.

Raising gas taxes would be just incredibly stupid.

The simple fact is that this is a province issue not a federal one.

Dude, even a former enemy of the allies in WW1 showed up to pay respects to there troops.

He respects history and what our army went thru to serve.
This is an international comparison of leaders giving a shit about who died for there country.

[Novus America]

So you admit he could increase gas taxes!
So you admit he could do something!

Maybe you do not want him to do that, but then the honest thing to do would be say he is unable to sign the agreement as Canada is unable to abide by it. That is what he was supposed to do.

How is promising to do something and not doing it good?

And you admit something could be done, just you are not willing to actually pay for it.

Re-enactments are not anything close to understanding actual military service.
And now you are just doing the “better than Trump”.
Relative privation is not a valid argument as Trudeau is NOT running against Trump!

Better than Trump means absolutely nothing here unless Trump is running for Prime Minister of Canada.

Both suggestions where ludacris overstepping of boundaries and political suicide.

Raising gas taxes would be just incredibly stupid.

The simple fact is that this is a province issue not a federal one.

Dude, even a former enemy of the allies in WW1 showed up to pay respects to there troops.

He respects history and what our army went thru to serve.
This is an international comparison of leaders giving a shit about who died for there country.

If it is provincial issue then why sign the agreement?
You are still promising to do something you cannot do.
And sure actually enforcing the agreement would be political suicide.
But again why sign an agreement you cannot enforce?

You are still admitting he agreed to do something and then failed to do it for political reasons.

It is better to just be honest. Do not make promises you cannot keep.
He should have never signed an agreement he had no way of keeping.

If I promise to give you a million dollars the fact that I cannot give you a million dollars does not make it less of a lie.

If you sign an agreement then violate it you are harming the agreement more than if you never signed it at all. If you cannot avoid violating it DO NOT agree to it in the first place!

“To be good, it is not enough to be better than the worst.”
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Even if he is better than some other world leaders that does not make him good.
Especially when he is not running against them.

[Hakons]

What's the game plan for the People's Party? Take votes from the Conservatives and let the Liberals win more seats?

[Dresderstan]

What's the game plan for the People's Party? Take votes from the Conservatives and let the Liberals win more seats?

Apparently so, they're basically the Libertarian party 2.0 in Canada.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Both suggestions where ludacris overstepping of boundaries and political suicide.

Raising gas taxes would be just incredibly stupid.

The simple fact is that this is a province issue not a federal one.

Dude, even a former enemy of the allies in WW1 showed up to pay respects to there troops.

He respects history and what our army went thru to serve.
This is an international comparison of leaders giving a shit about who died for there country.

If it is provincial issue then why sign the agreement?
You are still promising to do something you cannot do.
And sure actually enforcing the agreement would be political suicide.
But again why sign an agreement you cannot enforce?

You are still admitting he agreed to do something and then failed to do it for political reasons.

It is better to just be honest. Do not make promises you cannot keep.
He should have never signed an agreement he had no way of keeping.

If I promise to give you a million dollars the fact that I cannot give you a million dollars does not make it less of a lie.

If you sign an agreement then violate it you are harming the agreement more than if you never signed it at all. If you cannot avoid violating it DO NOT agree to it in the first place!

“To be good, it is not enough to be better than the worst.”
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Even if he is better than some other world leaders that does not make him good.
Especially when he is not running against them.

Beacuse he can indeed set fedral standards and targits for the provincial goverments to act on.

He however can not boss around provincial goverments just beacuse they failed to meet a targit.

Again, you are makeing a provincial issue a fedral issue. You want to blame the provinces for this fine but do not blame the feds for something the provinces failed to do.

If he is doing something better then what bad leaders are doing, then he might be on to something.

[Novus America]

If it is provincial issue then why sign the agreement?
You are still promising to do something you cannot do.
And sure actually enforcing the agreement would be political suicide.
But again why sign an agreement you cannot enforce?

You are still admitting he agreed to do something and then failed to do it for political reasons.

It is better to just be honest. Do not make promises you cannot keep.
He should have never signed an agreement he had no way of keeping.

If I promise to give you a million dollars the fact that I cannot give you a million dollars does not make it less of a lie.

If you sign an agreement then violate it you are harming the agreement more than if you never signed it at all. If you cannot avoid violating it DO NOT agree to it in the first place!

“To be good, it is not enough to be better than the worst.”
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Even if he is better than some other world leaders that does not make him good.
Especially when he is not running against them.

Beacuse he can indeed set fedral standards and targits for the provincial goverments to act on.

He however can not boss around provincial goverments just beacuse they failed to meet a targit.

Again, you are makeing a provincial issue a fedral issue. You want to blame the provinces for this fine but do not blame the feds for something the provinces failed to do.

If he is doing something better then what bad leaders are doing, then he might be on to something.

If emissions are really a provincial issue, then the provinces, not the federal government should be signing or not signing the agreement. He made it a Federal issue when the federal government signed the agreement!

Setting targets is fine. Promising to do something you will not or cannot do is not.
You can set targets without signing the agreement you know.

He should not have promised to do something he could not do. It is that simple.
Simply say over and over again he cannot do it does not change that.

And again being better than a bad leader does not make you good.
Nobody claimed he is the worst world leader.

But he is still not good just by virtue of the fact that he is not the worst.

Besides it does not matter. What matters is whether or not he is better than the other possible candidates for Canadian Prime minister.

If your best argument is “well at least I am not the worst person in the world” I am still not voting for you.
Again that does not make him good.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Beacuse he can indeed set fedral standards and targits for the provincial goverments to act on.

He however can not boss around provincial goverments just beacuse they failed to meet a targit.

Again, you are makeing a provincial issue a fedral issue. You want to blame the provinces for this fine but do not blame the feds for something the provinces failed to do.

If he is doing something better then what bad leaders are doing, then he might be on to something.

If emissions are really a provincial issue, then the provinces, not the federal government should be signing or not signing the agreement. He made it a Federal issue when the federal government signed the agreement!

Setting targets is fine. Promising to do something you will not or cannot do is not.
You can set targets without signing the agreement you know.

He should not have promised to do something he could not do. It is that simple.
Simply say over and over again he cannot do it does not change that.

And again being better than a bad leader does not make you good.
Nobody claimed he is the worst world leader.

But he is still not good just by virtue of the fact that he is not the worst.

Besides it does not matter. What matters is whether or not he is better than the other possible candidates for Canadian Prime minister.

If your best argument is “well at least I am not the worst person in the world” I am still not voting for you.
Again that does not make him good.

The provences have no resprestation at the UN. They can not sign the agreement. Add to that the fact that they have no controll over fredral govermemt standers and targits to redice emmtions.

He did everything he could do within the boundrys of the office of prime minster. This is on the provences for not meeting that goal.

He is a fine primminster that I see no reason not to relect.

[Novus America]

If emissions are really a provincial issue, then the provinces, not the federal government should be signing or not signing the agreement. He made it a Federal issue when the federal government signed the agreement!

Setting targets is fine. Promising to do something you will not or cannot do is not.
You can set targets without signing the agreement you know.

He should not have promised to do something he could not do. It is that simple.
Simply say over and over again he cannot do it does not change that.

And again being better than a bad leader does not make you good.
Nobody claimed he is the worst world leader.

But he is still not good just by virtue of the fact that he is not the worst.

Besides it does not matter. What matters is whether or not he is better than the other possible candidates for Canadian Prime minister.

If your best argument is “well at least I am not the worst person in the world” I am still not voting for you.
Again that does not make him good.

The provences have no resprestation at the UN. They can not sign the agreement. Add to that the fact that they have no controll over fredral govermemt standers and targits to redice emmtions.

He did everything he could do within the boundrys of the office of prime minster. This is on the provences for not meeting that goal.

He is a fine primminster that I see no reason not to relect.

Then nobody should have signed it.

Besides you ADMIT the federal government does have the power to increase taxes on energy!
You admit he failed to enforce the agreement for political reasons.

Again how is signing and agreement and then not abiding by it actually good?
Stop arguing it is a purely provincial issue, it is irrelevant and wrong.

Promising what you cannot deliver is bad.
How is promising what you cannot do good?

You have failed to actually explain why he should be considered good beyond weed, signing a agreement then not following it, and going to an event a bunch of other people went to.

[Dresderstan]

If the NDP holds onto Burnaby South and Outremont it will really help the NDP and be a thorn in the sides of the Liberals and maybe even the Conservatives. But if the Liberals win those seats, it hurts the NDP and the Conservatives, and bolsters the Liberals. I say if the NDP hold both the Liberals chance of holding a majority is shrunk to a minority and possibly hold onto government for less than 2 years. If the Liberals gain them, it hurts the opposition and the Liberals chance of holding a majority increases. If they gain one but fail to gain another... I'd say it'd be pretty evenly split, but obviously the Liberals want Burnaby South more to hurt the NDP more. If they do that, it hurt's the leadership of Jagmeet Singh and the NDP will probably have to go a round of filling in the leadership role before the election, leaving them in disarray and let the Tories and Liberals tear the NDP to shreds.

[The Liberated Territories]

What's the game plan for the People's Party? Take votes from the Conservatives and let the Liberals win more seats?

FEEL THE BERN...ier

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Raising gas taxes would be just incredibly stupid.

The simple fact is that this is a province issue not a federal one.

If this were handled at the provincial level, provinces that refuse to tax gasoline would be gaining a competitive advantage for their refusal to act on climate change. They'd be rewarded for polluting the environment, and every other province would be punished for caring about it.

What's the game plan for the People's Party? Take votes from the Conservatives and let the Liberals win more seats?

FEEL THE BERN...ier

What's the point of power if you're never going to wield it? If winning elections means you're just as subordinate to someone else's agenda as an opposition member without the opportunity to grandstand against it (remember, members of cabinet are supposedly expected to project an image of solidarity) then what are you winning for?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Then nobody should have signed it.

Besides you ADMIT the federal government does have the power to increase taxes on energy!
You admit he failed to enforce the agreement for political reasons.

Again how is signing and agreement and then not abiding by it actually good?
Stop arguing it is a purely provincial issue, it is irrelevant and wrong.

Promising what you cannot deliver is bad.
How is promising what you cannot do good?

You have failed to actually explain why he should be considered good beyond weed, signing a agreement then not following it, and going to an event a bunch of other people went to.

He didn't do it beacuse he doesn't want this to happen here.

Increasing taxes is something that he could have done, yes. But it would have been incredibly unpopular, stupid, and just start riots.

In short, doing so would have fucked the country up. So it was really never a logical option. Or a sane option. Or a workable realistic option.


It is a provincial issue. The provincial governments failed to decrease emissions by the federal government targets. It is just that simple.
You are bending this out of proportion to blame him for something he could not control without doing something incredibly stupid.

[Dresderstan]

Derpy, Novus enough.

[Novus America]

Derpy, Novus enough.

Fair enough.
We are not getting anywhere.
And obviously he will support Trudeau on anything, no matter what.
I am not going to convince him, and we are just saying the same thing over and over again.

Though is his view that pollution is a solely provincial matter actually the policy of the Liberals?

If so the Liberals in Canada are actually more right wing on pollution than American Democrats.

[Dresderstan]

Derpy, Novus enough.

Fair enough.
We are not getting anywhere.
And obviously he will support Trudeau on anything, no matter what.
I am not going to convince him, and we are just saying the same thing over and over again.

Then don't, otherwise it piles up everything else in this thread that is actually worthwhile and it starts to act like useless spam.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Derpy, Novus enough.

Right, sorry

[Dresderstan]

Random question, Parliament was on recess about a week before Christmas and returned back to the capital about a week ago, so why was the winter break so long, well over a month no less?

[Slarvainian]

Random question, Parliament was on recess about a week before Christmas and returned back to the capital about a week ago, so why was the winter break so long, well over a month no less?

This is normal.

Edit: I think the expectation for the long breaks is that the MPs will go back to their ridings and spend some time listening to their constituents. Also gives them time to take on family roles more. Not everyone is living in Ottawa with them.

[Slarvainian]

Am I the only one that thinks the PPC could do some damage this election? I do see a scenario where they actually form government but at this point I don't think saying 2-3 dozen seats is that unrealistic. This is mostly based off how I think Trudeau, Singh and Scheer might project over the next six months.

[Shrillland]

Am I the only one that thinks the PPC could do some damage this election? I do see a scenario where they actually form government but at this point I don't think saying 2-3 dozen seats is that unrealistic. This is mostly based off how I think Trudeau, Singh and Scheer might project over the next six months.

Well, the national polls still have them at just around 1%, and Bernier himself is about the only one that seems like he'll hold a seat, so no I don't think they'll do damage at this juncture, but we are still eight months out.

[Slarvainian]

Am I the only one that thinks the PPC could do some damage this election? I do see a scenario where they actually form government but at this point I don't think saying 2-3 dozen seats is that unrealistic. This is mostly based off how I think Trudeau, Singh and Scheer might project over the next six months.

Well, the national polls still have them at just around 1%, and Bernier himself is about the only one that seems like he'll hold a seat, so no I don't think they'll do damage at this juncture, but we are still eight months out.

I'm generally someone who sees potential for chaos and that debate stage currently looks chaotic. The PPC getting seats is probably dependent on how things go with the by elections later this month. If Singh loses then the NDP could spiral into disarray. Maybe the liberals pick up their support, but I could also see it shaking the landscape a bit as attention moves to Trudeau and Scheer. The former I think rubs more people than acceptable the wrong way with his particular hue of charisma and the latter who is some kind of dopey carbon imitation of the former. I could see, come the debates, a possibility for substantial electorate shift. But like I said, I see potential for chaos.

[Dresderstan]

Am I the only one that thinks the PPC could do some damage this election? I do see a scenario where they actually form government but at this point I don't think saying 2-3 dozen seats is that unrealistic. This is mostly based off how I think Trudeau, Singh and Scheer might project over the next six months.

Nah I don't see the PPC really getting a lot of traction tbh. They could steal votes from the Conservatives and help the Liberals, but I don't really have that much faith that the PPC will get anything done.

Also about that Burnaby South by election the NDP really needs to hold onto that because if they don't people will be more disillusioned to vote NDP and vote for the Liberal, especially since their poll numbers have not been doing so good.

[Latialand]

To be fair, Here is my bet on 2019 federal election

>Trudeau going to win the election, but lost some seats to Conservative and NDP
>Singh going to won some seats from Liberal and get some votes from Trudeau "mostly left-wing" voters (aka socdems and progressives)
>Scheer will going to won some seats from Liberal, but lose some of their seats to PP
>Bernier most likely going to won seats from Conservative
>Bloc Quebecois still going to won some seats from Liberal (like what they do in last election)
>May and the Green Party either get one more seats or remain stuck with one seat

(P.S. I am not from Canada, but this is my guess)

[Dresderstan]

Trudeau in Vancouver ahead of Burnaby South byelection