Is being anti authority a virtue or sin?

[Rojava Free State]

From the moment we enter this world, we're taught that people in authority deserve respect. You're supposed to honor your parents, respect the government, obey the law and venerate religion, and never question or stand against those who give orders since you are one who takes the orders. You're supposed to trust that the people in power know what's best and especially that they know what's best for you (moreso than yourself).

That being said, does having a position of authority in society automatically entitle someone to respect? Does being a police officer make you a better person than if you weren't one? Does being the pope really make you infallible? Is the president really the leader of the free world? Do your parents know what's right? In my opinion, the answer to all these questions is no. From police brutality and misconduct to government abuse of power and corruption, to religious violence and oppression and to the fact that some parents really don't understand their kids or care to understand, I believe that a human authority figure is nothing more than a self imposed hothead with nothing but hot air to spew. Your position of authority is simply an artificial title bestowed upon you and if everyone decided tomorrow to not respect your authority then it would be pointless. They always say no one rules if nobody obeys and they're right in my opinion. Because authority figures are normal humans who are susceptible to bias, greed, envy, hate and arrogance, I think it is morally correct for someone to be skeptical of authority and take everything a person in power says with a grain of salt. So what are your opinions fellow NSers? Is it right or wrong to question what those in power believe or say, or is it better to go along with the program and preserve unity?

[Inkopolitia]

No. I will not sugar coat anything. If a teacher or my parents do something that only a cunt does, i'm going to say it on their face. Not with insults though, I only reserve that to SUPER cunts and no one has reached that level yet

[The Realm of Platinum]

It's a double edged sword.

[Rojava Free State]

No. I will not sugar coat anything. If a teacher or my parents do something that only a cunt does, i'm going to say it on their face. Not with insults though, I only reserve that to SUPER cunts and no one has reached that level yet

I remember this one teacher marked me down on an essay because I mentioned birth control in it and our health class in high school was "abstinence only." She said if I did that again I would get a zero on the assignment. For the last project of the year, which was about " why do you choose abstinence, " I came out with four other guys and in the presentation explicitly stated that I didn't choose to abstain and "if there's a poster child for refraining from sex until marriage, I'm sure he hates me and wants to fight." I could see my teacher was silently furious but she couldn't do anything because it was my last day of highschool, I was a senior and the project was worth maybe 10 points so it wouldn't affect my grade that much. I enjoyed every moment of ruining her abstinence only education and making it more likely that the school board of conservative Christian fathers would fire her.

[Hamstan]

Being against authority is the most virtuous thing you can possibly do

[Arkhane]

On a moral degree of what's considered a virtue and q sin? That's going to be tough.

On a societal/structural perspective? Easy. Even the most despotic and psychotic dictators and tyrants are from a position of virtue. Going against any authority is obviously and inexcusably a "sin".

But the thing is, both good and bad people commit that sin for varying reasons and come out with varying degrees of success. Being against authority is automatically a sin unless you can become said authority, at which point, it's no longer a sin and becomes a virtue.

That's how I see history at any point. No sane people or society would appoint an openly sinful or evil person.

[Kowani]

Depends on what the authority is, and what it’s trying to do, doesn’t it?

[Vallermoore]

It depends what laws you break and why. Laws that are racist, deeply unpleasant or very hard to obey deserve to be broken, then there are the ones in the middle, and then there are laws noone should break like the ones against murder, torture and paedophilia for example.

[Betelgeuse Alliance]

150% a virtue, because it shows that you're WOKE, not someone who blindly follows all orders like an obedient dog and believes all the lies they're being told. You should be able to do anything you want, as long as it doesn't impede on other people's inherent right to life, liberty and property. Don't get me wrong, I am NOT an anarchist, but I do believe in as little as possible government interference in people's day-to-day lives.

[Catsfern]

questioning authority and being agains unjust authority is a virtue, however defying legal authority in all was shapes and forms is often more harm than good.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

It's a double edged sword.

This. Too little anti-authoritarianism and you become prey to dictators, too much and you get things like anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers and people who cannot work together to defend themselves.

The extremes are bad, the mean is a virtue.

[Rojava Free State]

Being against authority is the most virtuous thing you can possibly do

I like this guy. We should go to an exploited concert together

[Deheubarth]

Being anti illegitimate authority is 100% a virtue imo. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. If anything, we have a duty to disobey rules/laws/regimes that are grossly immoral, i.e. segregation, Nazi policies etc.

[EastKekistan]

From the moment we enter this world, we're taught that people in authority deserve respect. You're supposed to honor your parents, respect the government, obey the law and venerate religion, and never question or stand against those who give orders since you are one who takes the orders. You're supposed to trust that the people in power know what's best and especially that they know what's best for you (moreso than yourself).

That being said, does having a position of authority in society automatically entitle someone to respect? Does being a police officer make you a better person than if you weren't one? Does being the pope really make you infallible? Is the president really the leader of the free world? Do your parents know what's right? In my opinion, the answer to all these questions is no. From police brutality and misconduct to government abuse of power and corruption, to religious violence and oppression and to the fact that some parents really don't understand their kids or care to understand, I believe that a human authority figure is nothing more than a self imposed hothead with nothing but hot air to spew. Your position of authority is simply an artificial title bestowed upon you and if everyone decided tomorrow to not respect your authority then it would be pointless. They always say no one rules if nobody obeys and they're right in my opinion. Because authority figures are normal humans who are susceptible to bias, greed, envy, hate and arrogance, I think it is morally correct for someone to be skeptical of authority and take everything a person in power says with a grain of salt. So what are your opinions fellow NSers? Is it right or wrong to question what those in power believe or say, or is it better to go along with the program and preserve unity?

This depends on where you are..and whether you live in a culture inside the Hajnal line.

Overall the collectivism and cultural authoritarianism outside the Hajnal line are pretty much a net harm.

[USS Monitor]

Depends on what the authority is, and what it’s trying to do, doesn’t it?

^This.

Having authorities is useful to help keep things organized, but they aren't infallible, and you don't have to support everything they do.

[Auzkhia]

It's a virtue. One ought to ask why an authority is justified or legitimate, and then oppose any unjust authority.

If anything, leaving any authority go unquestioned is a sin.

[EastKekistan]

Depends on what the authority is, and what it’s trying to do, doesn’t it?

^This.

Having authorities is useful to help keep things organized, but they aren't infallible, and you don't have to support everything they do.

Sadly, the ideology of authoritarianism is precisely about arbitrary authority having to be obeyed.

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

I suppose in a way it all depends on what type of authority. Though many people seem to make the mistake of if they are going against the authority they must be correct in their judgement which often they are not, people can just as easily be blindly lead by authority as anti-authority just look at the French revolution. I prefer authority over chaos but I will always analyse the argument before either choosing to agree with it, disagree with it or to respect it. In which I think many people don't seem to do these days and I can think of many examples all across the world.

[EastKekistan]

Sadly, in a world with too much power imbalance free intellectual inquiries are inherently stunted for all statements are essentially considered political statements about whether you obey or support someone.

[Risottia]

From the moment we enter this world, we're taught that people in authority deserve respect. You're supposed to honor your parents, respect the government, obey the law and venerate religion, and never question or stand against those who give orders since you are one who takes the orders. You're supposed to trust that the people in power know what's best and especially that they know what's best for you (moreso than yourself).

I wasn't taught that.

I think it is morally correct for someone to be skeptical of authority and take everything a person in power says with a grain of salt.

Basically this. Following blindly any "authority" doesn't make any sense, and neither does opposing anyone just for the sake of "opposing authority". Anything coming from anyone should be taken cum grano salis.

[EastKekistan]

From the moment we enter this world, we're taught that people in authority deserve respect. You're supposed to honor your parents, respect the government, obey the law and venerate religion, and never question or stand against those who give orders since you are one who takes the orders. You're supposed to trust that the people in power know what's best and especially that they know what's best for you (moreso than yourself).

I wasn't taught that.

I think it is morally correct for someone to be skeptical of authority and take everything a person in power says with a grain of salt.

Basically this. Following blindly any "authority" doesn't make any sense, and neither does opposing anyone just for the sake of "opposing authority". Anything coming from anyone should be taken cum grano salis.

See? It is strongly culture-dependent and era-dependent. For example early Roman Italy was extremely cultural authoritarian. However modern Italy isn't.

[Federation of the Baltics]

It depends on what the authority is.

If it's Nazi Germany? Of course. If it's a democracy like the US or something? Not really.

If you can oppose tyranny, oppose it. Just don't let it slip into anarchy.

[Shaggtopia]

It's a double edged sword.

This. Too little anti-authoritarianism and you become prey to dictators, too much and you get things like anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers and people who cannot work together to defend themselves.

The extremes are bad, the mean is a virtue.

Exactly. Cooperation is more virtuous than servitude or obstructiveness. While both serve a purpose neither is without it's own sin.

[Risottia]

However modern Italy isn't.

Considering the current Italian cabinet, it's authoritarian as hell.

[EastKekistan]

This. Too little anti-authoritarianism and you become prey to dictators, too much and you get things like anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers and people who cannot work together to defend themselves.

The extremes are bad, the mean is a virtue.

Exactly. Cooperation is more virtuous than servitude or obstructiveness. While both serve a purpose neither is without it's own sin.

The world is full of people who want to reduce you to a slave for humans and other social animals inherently compete for status which is annoying as hell but true.