15 year-old boy forced to register as sex offender

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

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But hey, I guess I am expecting a bit much here.

Yes, you are.

[Crockerland]

Have you seen the kind of relationship decisions 17 year old girls make?

One would expect the older one to be more mature and thus less succesctible to his advances.

But hey, I guess I am expecting a bit much here.

Lol imagine if the roles were reversed and people claimed a guy over the age of consent was "pressured" by an underage girl into sending his nudes. Doubt that would fly.

[Galloism]

it's hard to blame them- women are by nature more submissive and apt to subsume themselves into the relationship

No.

[Gravlen]

Yes...


Charging him sends the right message though really we need better education.

I don't think having a 15-year old on the sex offender registry for the next 20 years sends that great of a message.

And that's what this thread should be about. The punishment is disproportional, and does not fit the crime.

The period of probation is unproblematic, the registration as a sex offender is very problematic.

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

The prevalence of submissive people is a key reason why the world still has a lot of authoritarianism. You have to free yourself. Nobody else can set you free.

Sure you can, you can provide a superior education and other facilities.

[Diopolis]

One would expect the older one to be more mature and thus less succesctible to his advances.

But hey, I guess I am expecting a bit much here.

Lol imagine if the roles were reversed and people claimed a guy over the age of consent was "pressured" by an underage girl into sending his nudes. Doubt that would fly.

Yeah, no, he'd be on the offender list for possibly a bit longer than 20 years too.

[Nova Cyberia]

One would expect the older one to be more mature and thus less succesctible to his advances.

But hey, I guess I am expecting a bit much here.

Lol imagine if the roles were reversed and people claimed a guy over the age of consent was "pressured" by an underage girl into sending his nudes. Doubt that would fly.

Of course it wouldn't.

It's always assumed men can never be the victim.

But I know this is bullshit. A close friend of mine was abused (and is still being abused) by his ex-girlfriend.

[Cekoviu]

"Wrong" and "Criminal" are not synonyms, and shouldn't be thought of as synonymous, though. We shouldn't attempt to criminalize everything we think is wrong.

And I don't know about barely knew - didn't all three of them think they were in a long term relationship? I think that was discussed earlier in the thread.

They had met at a convention in Denver and he had dated both of them long distance.

Wasn't it a farmer's convention too? I can't fathom meeting a partner at a convention like that.

[Galloism]

I don't think having a 15-year old on the sex offender registry for the next 20 years sends that great of a message.

And that's what this thread should be about. The punishment is disproportional, and does not fit the crime.

The period of probation is unproblematic, the registration as a sex offender is very problematic.

A little bit of gender problematic verbiage and assumption of gender based guilt, but there was an article in Slate a few years ago about a better approach than sex offender registries for teenage sexters.

When Rusty McGuire travels to Virginia schools to talk to teenagers about the dangers of social media, he asks all of the girls in the audience to close their eyes. Then, he speaks plainly with the guys in the room. “Boys,” he says, “if you received a picture from your girlfriend that was nude, would you share it with your friends?” When the boys inevitably erupt into giggles, he instructs the girls to look around. “This is why you don’t send nude pictures,” he tells the girls. “These boys,” he says, “their frontal lobes aren’t fully developed yet.”

McGuire is the top prosecutor in Louisa County, a rural central Virginia community of 30,000 that McGuire affectionately calls “the middle of nowhere.” This month, the county gained a national profile after a local parent caught a glimpse of sexual photos on her daughter’s Instagram account and alerted authorities. According to reports from the Central Virginian and the Associated Press, an investigation by the county sheriff’s office uncovered more than 1,000 nude or sexually suggestive photos posted to Instagram accounts and shared between more than 100 teenagers in Louisa and surrounding counties. But unlike other teen sexting rings that have made national news—where sexters have been brought up on felony pornography charges or disciplined by their schools—Louisa has opted to respond to the scandalous headlines with a refreshing dose of common sense. Major Donald Lowe told the AP that although the Louisa County Sheriff’s Office is still scouring student cellphones for signs of nonconsensual sexual activity, which could result in criminal charges, most students involved won’t be prosecuted. “We said from the beginning that we’re not going to label everyone who participated in this a sex offender,” he said. “There’s no reason to destroy people’s lives and careers over this.”

Instead, Louisa is opting to deal with the situation in its schools, bringing in experts like McGuire to just talk to students, not to interrogate them. J. Douglas Straley, assistant superintendent for administration for Louisa County Public Schools, told me that instead of meting out punishments, Louisa schools are expanding programs to teach teenagers “the dangers of social media and how to make smart choices” and are launching a program for parents to help discuss the issue with their kids. McGuire “talks about the importance of not doing any [sexting] activities,” Straley told me. “If you put it out there, it doesn’t go away. Teenagers need to know that and understand that when they put it out there, they’re more or less saying that they’re OK with the world seeing this.”

It’s great that Louisa refuses to turn all sexters into criminals. But I’m not sure its educational approach is the right one. By telling girls that they’re responsible for boys who share their photos without their consent, the schools may end up blaming real victims.

There seems to be a disconnect here: Louisa’s sheriff’s office is only interested in pursuing criminal penalties against nonconsensual sharers, and Virginia passed a bill criminalizing revenge porn in February. Louisa schools, meanwhile, are sending the message that all sexting is bad, whether it’s consensual or not. While the sheriff’s office works to avoid destroying the futures of Louisa’s teenagers, schools are jumping in to remind them that sharing a sexual photo of yourself really can ruin your life. I know this because McGuire took me through his four-point sexting spiel. Point No. 1: Don’t share anything you wouldn’t want a college admission officer to see. No. 2: Don’t share anything you wouldn’t want a future employer to see. No. 3: Don’t share anything you wouldn’t want your future grandchildren to see. Only when he gets to point No. 4 does he turn his focus from kids sharing pictures of themselves to kids—perpetrators—sharing pictures of others: “Remember when you are sharing things that you don’t know the mental breaking point. It could cause someone to actually take their life,” McGuire says. “Do you want to be the one that pushes that kid over the edge?” he asks. “Who wants to live with that for the rest of their life?”


I understand why Louisa schools are focusing on the victims of sexting more than they do the bullies. It’s easier to reach teens who fear for their future Google searches than it is to reach the ones who are uploading compromising photos of others for public view, with no ramifications to their own reputations. After all, when McGuire asks boys about sharing nude photos, they just laugh. Beyond the closed-eyes exercise, McGuire says he doesn’t discuss gender much, though he does underscore the fact that boys can be victims, too. “The boys come in a little more cavalier, like, ‘Oh, this could never happen to me,’ ” he says. When he tells the story of Kelly Karl Bowen, a Virginia teacher McGuire prosecuted in 2004 for posing as a teenage girl to solicit nude photos from boys, “it breaks apart that stereotype of machoism a bit,” he says.

Still, the fact is that these online sexual encounters often end up being more damaging for girls. A 2013 study published in Cyberpsychology, Behavior, and Social Networking found that although teenage boys and girls were equally likely to snap intimate photos of themselves and share them with friends, boys were about twice as likely as girls to forward sexts along beyond their intended recipients. For a 2009 Pew report, researchers talked to American teens about sexting and found that girls who share photos of themselves are often stigmatized as narcissistic sluts while boys are framed as hapless lotharios. Both boys and girls contribute to that double standard, and it’s something we need to learn to start combating in discussions with kids of all ages. Louisa County was right to turn sexting into an educational opportunity as opposed to a crime story. But the focus of the sheriff’s office provides a helpful lesson to everyone hoping to educate teenagers about how to navigate relationships online: It isn’t the sexting that’s the problem. It’s the exploitation.

Not a perfect solution - would be better if the message to the students was gender neutral - but certainly better than the solution we're seeing for this young man.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/0 ... ourts.html

[Diopolis]

They had met at a convention in Denver and he had dated both of them long distance.

Wasn't it a farmer's convention too? I can't fathom meeting a partner at a convention like that.

I mean, every time I turn on the history channel I wind up seeing a commercial for a dating site called farmers only. So I presume people do go to farming conventions looking for love.

[Galloism]

Lol imagine if the roles were reversed and people claimed a guy over the age of consent was "pressured" by an underage girl into sending his nudes. Doubt that would fly.

Of course it wouldn't.

It's always assumed men can never be the victim.

But I know this is bullshit. A close friend of mine was abused (and is still being abused) by his ex-girlfriend.

Please let your friend know to be careful - female abusers often flip the script, and use the state in furtherance of their abuse by claiming to be the victim.

He should find out what his state's recording laws are and record everywhere and every occasion he's legally allowed to do so when forced to interact with his abuser.

[Cekoviu]

Wasn't it a farmer's convention too? I can't fathom meeting a partner at a convention like that.

I mean, every time I turn on the history channel I wind up seeing a commercial for a dating site called farmers only. So I presume people do go to farming conventions looking for love.

When I think of my ideal man, Dwight Schrute pops up for sure.

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

They shouldn’t be prosecuted for sexting, but sharing without permission should be.

[Cekoviu]

Of course it wouldn't.

It's always assumed men can never be the victim.

But I know this is bullshit. A close friend of mine was abused (and is still being abused) by his ex-girlfriend.

Please let your friend know to be careful - female abusers often flip the script, and use the state in furtherance of their abuse by claiming to be the victim.

He should find out what his state's recording laws are and record everywhere and every occasion he's legally allowed to do so when forced to interact with his abuser.

He might not recognize he's being abused. Vics are often in denial regardless of gender, but it's even more common for male victims, it seems.

[Galloism]

Please let your friend know to be careful - female abusers often flip the script, and use the state in furtherance of their abuse by claiming to be the victim.

He should find out what his state's recording laws are and record everywhere and every occasion he's legally allowed to do so when forced to interact with his abuser.

He might not recognize he's being abused. Vics are often in denial regardless of gender, but it's even more common for male victims, it seems.

Also very true.

[Diopolis]

Of course it wouldn't.

It's always assumed men can never be the victim.

But I know this is bullshit. A close friend of mine was abused (and is still being abused) by his ex-girlfriend.

Please let your friend know to be careful - female abusers often flip the script, and use the state in furtherance of their abuse by claiming to be the victim.

He should find out what his state's recording laws are and record everywhere and every occasion he's legally allowed to do so when forced to interact with his abuser.

Had that happen to me before. For his own protection he needs to get away.

[Gormwood]

One would expect the older one to be more mature and thus less succesctible to his advances.

But hey, I guess I am expecting a bit much here.

Lol imagine if the roles were reversed and people claimed a guy over the age of consent was "pressured" by an underage girl into sending his nudes. Doubt that would fly.

If you really wanted to reverse the situation and not play the MRA Card, it would be a 15 year old girl sending a clit pic to a 15 and 17 year old boy and harassing them into sending her dick pics, which she then got arrested for posession of and mandated to register as a sex offender for 20 years. You seriously think people would seriously call the girl a victim in that instance outside of Femiluminati conspiracy theories?

[Gravlen]

And that's what this thread should be about. The punishment is disproportional, and does not fit the crime.

The period of probation is unproblematic, the registration as a sex offender is very problematic.

A little bit of gender problematic verbiage and assumption of gender based guilt, but there was an article in Slate a few years ago about a better approach than sex offender registries for teenage sexters.

When Rusty McGuire travels to Virginia schools to talk to teenagers about the dangers of social media, he asks all of the girls in the audience to close their eyes. Then, he speaks plainly with the guys in the room. “Boys,” he says, “if you received a picture from your girlfriend that was nude, would you share it with your friends?” When the boys inevitably erupt into giggles, he instructs the girls to look around. “This is why you don’t send nude pictures,” he tells the girls. “These boys,” he says, “their frontal lobes aren’t fully developed yet.”

McGuire is the top prosecutor in Louisa County, a rural central Virginia community of 30,000 that McGuire affectionately calls “the middle of nowhere.” This month, the county gained a national profile after a local parent caught a glimpse of sexual photos on her daughter’s Instagram account and alerted authorities. According to reports from the Central Virginian and the Associated Press, an investigation by the county sheriff’s office uncovered more than 1,000 nude or sexually suggestive photos posted to Instagram accounts and shared between more than 100 teenagers in Louisa and surrounding counties. But unlike other teen sexting rings that have made national news—where sexters have been brought up on felony pornography charges or disciplined by their schools—Louisa has opted to respond to the scandalous headlines with a refreshing dose of common sense. Major Donald Lowe told the AP that although the Louisa County Sheriff’s Office is still scouring student cellphones for signs of nonconsensual sexual activity, which could result in criminal charges, most students involved won’t be prosecuted. “We said from the beginning that we’re not going to label everyone who participated in this a sex offender,” he said. “There’s no reason to destroy people’s lives and careers over this.”

Instead, Louisa is opting to deal with the situation in its schools, bringing in experts like McGuire to just talk to students, not to interrogate them. J. Douglas Straley, assistant superintendent for administration for Louisa County Public Schools, told me that instead of meting out punishments, Louisa schools are expanding programs to teach teenagers “the dangers of social media and how to make smart choices” and are launching a program for parents to help discuss the issue with their kids. McGuire “talks about the importance of not doing any [sexting] activities,” Straley told me. “If you put it out there, it doesn’t go away. Teenagers need to know that and understand that when they put it out there, they’re more or less saying that they’re OK with the world seeing this.”

It’s great that Louisa refuses to turn all sexters into criminals. But I’m not sure its educational approach is the right one. By telling girls that they’re responsible for boys who share their photos without their consent, the schools may end up blaming real victims.

There seems to be a disconnect here: Louisa’s sheriff’s office is only interested in pursuing criminal penalties against nonconsensual sharers, and Virginia passed a bill criminalizing revenge porn in February. Louisa schools, meanwhile, are sending the message that all sexting is bad, whether it’s consensual or not. While the sheriff’s office works to avoid destroying the futures of Louisa’s teenagers, schools are jumping in to remind them that sharing a sexual photo of yourself really can ruin your life. I know this because McGuire took me through his four-point sexting spiel. Point No. 1: Don’t share anything you wouldn’t want a college admission officer to see. No. 2: Don’t share anything you wouldn’t want a future employer to see. No. 3: Don’t share anything you wouldn’t want your future grandchildren to see. Only when he gets to point No. 4 does he turn his focus from kids sharing pictures of themselves to kids—perpetrators—sharing pictures of others: “Remember when you are sharing things that you don’t know the mental breaking point. It could cause someone to actually take their life,” McGuire says. “Do you want to be the one that pushes that kid over the edge?” he asks. “Who wants to live with that for the rest of their life?”


I understand why Louisa schools are focusing on the victims of sexting more than they do the bullies. It’s easier to reach teens who fear for their future Google searches than it is to reach the ones who are uploading compromising photos of others for public view, with no ramifications to their own reputations. After all, when McGuire asks boys about sharing nude photos, they just laugh. Beyond the closed-eyes exercise, McGuire says he doesn’t discuss gender much, though he does underscore the fact that boys can be victims, too. “The boys come in a little more cavalier, like, ‘Oh, this could never happen to me,’ ” he says. When he tells the story of Kelly Karl Bowen, a Virginia teacher McGuire prosecuted in 2004 for posing as a teenage girl to solicit nude photos from boys, “it breaks apart that stereotype of machoism a bit,” he says.

Still, the fact is that these online sexual encounters often end up being more damaging for girls. A 2013 study published in Cyberpsychology, Behavior, and Social Networking found that although teenage boys and girls were equally likely to snap intimate photos of themselves and share them with friends, boys were about twice as likely as girls to forward sexts along beyond their intended recipients. For a 2009 Pew report, researchers talked to American teens about sexting and found that girls who share photos of themselves are often stigmatized as narcissistic sluts while boys are framed as hapless lotharios. Both boys and girls contribute to that double standard, and it’s something we need to learn to start combating in discussions with kids of all ages. Louisa County was right to turn sexting into an educational opportunity as opposed to a crime story. But the focus of the sheriff’s office provides a helpful lesson to everyone hoping to educate teenagers about how to navigate relationships online: It isn’t the sexting that’s the problem. It’s the exploitation.

Not a perfect solution - would be better if the message to the students was gender neutral - but certainly better than the solution we're seeing for this young man.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/0 ... ourts.html

I agree with you here. The new approach in Colorado is along these lines and also better than what happened to this boy:

Exchange of a private image by a juvenile is a civil infraction and is punishable by participation in a program designed by the school safety resource center or other appropriate program addressing the risks and consequences of exchanging a sexually explicit image of a juvenile or a fine of up to fifty dollars, which may be waived by the court upon a showing of indigency.

But really, just.... don't make children register as sexual offenders. Not ever.

[Nova Cyberia]

I don't think having a 15-year old on the sex offender registry for the next 20 years sends that great of a message.

And that's what this thread should be about. The punishment is disproportional, and does not fit the crime.

The period of probation is unproblematic, the registration as a sex offender is very problematic.

I do appreciate we can agree on that, at least.

[Galloism]

Lol imagine if the roles were reversed and people claimed a guy over the age of consent was "pressured" by an underage girl into sending his nudes. Doubt that would fly.

If you really wanted to reverse the situation and not play the MRA Card, it would be a 15 year old girl sending a clit pic to a 15 and 17 year old boy and harassing them into sending her dick pics, which she then got arrested for posession of and mandated to register as a sex offender for 20 years. You seriously think people would seriously call the girl a victim in that instance outside of Femiluminati conspiracy theories?

Probably yeah, especially if she flipped the script to accuse the boys of threatening her, as would likely happen.

Even adult women unironically use things like that in court.

And she says what Nuttall seems to call threats is just a persistent thread of sexual conversations and photos and talk about her giving him money or clothes, but making sure his mother and her husband didn't find out.

"They want you to believe she had to do this, she had to orally copulate him because he was threatening her," she said. "There's no evidence of a threat. He never said if you don't give me these shoes I'm going to reveal this."

The bias is even worse than that. Let's not forget the time you said an underage prostitute who literally murdered a John by shooting him in the back of the head execution style while he was goddamn asleep was the victim in the case. Yeah, I'd perfectly believe we'd see her as the victim - at least you would. When you can murder someone who doesn't know you execution style and still be the victim just because of your gender, the clit pic girl is a perfectly believable victim.

And just for the record:

We’re fairly certain he was asleep at the time he was shot in the back of the head, as that’s what the forensics say.

Are you implying that if I’ve ever been threatened by any person, I can kill them at any later time whether they pose a threat at that time or not?

Fear does that to people. Nobody ever terrified you to where you were hesitant to confront them awake, but someone subject to abuse for a lengthy period isn't known for composure.

Look, if there was someone who doesn’t know me, where I live, or anything that so terrified me that I would be afraid to confront them while awake, and they fell asleep, I’d leave. I wouldn’t murder them in cold blood in their sleep like she even admitted to doing under interrogation.

I know she has mental problems. I know she has historical issues. Heck, I’ll agree the sentencing is disproportionate based on these factors. She still murdered a sleeping man in cold blood. I’m not even inclined to take the “threatening” behavior part seriously as it didn’t come up until after the original confession which agreed with the forensics, when she changed her story to one contrary to the forensic evidence.

Add to that the only other witness to the alleged threatening is now dead and can’t testify.

You can’t get around it that she committed murder.

Yeah. You did that.

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

We need to have an inquisition headed by a religion I have made up by a team of experts.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

A little bit of gender problematic verbiage and assumption of gender based guilt, but there was an article in Slate a few years ago about a better approach than sex offender registries for teenage sexters.



Not a perfect solution - would be better if the message to the students was gender neutral - but certainly better than the solution we're seeing for this young man.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/0 ... ourts.html

I agree with you here. The new approach in Colorado is along these lines and also better than what happened to this boy:

Exchange of a private image by a juvenile is a civil infraction and is punishable by participation in a program designed by the school safety resource center or other appropriate program addressing the risks and consequences of exchanging a sexually explicit image of a juvenile or a fine of up to fifty dollars, which may be waived by the court upon a showing of indigency.

But really, just.... don't make children register as sexual offenders. Not ever.

They also may not understand the complete ramifications of their actions. They’re teens. We all did stupid stuff when we were that age.

[Cekoviu]

I agree with you here. The new approach in Colorado is along these lines and also better than what happened to this boy:

Exchange of a private image by a juvenile is a civil infraction and is punishable by participation in a program designed by the school safety resource center or other appropriate program addressing the risks and consequences of exchanging a sexually explicit image of a juvenile or a fine of up to fifty dollars, which may be waived by the court upon a showing of indigency.

But really, just.... don't make children register as sexual offenders. Not ever.

They also may not understand the complete ramifications of their actions. They’re teens. We all did stupid stuff when we were that age.

Right, yeah. Which is why they shouldn't have long-lasting effects for this relatively inconsequential thing.

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

They also may not understand the complete ramifications of their actions. They’re teens. We all did stupid stuff when we were that age.

I still do stupid things but I am wise beyond measure and a saint.

[Ifreann]

Yes...


Charging him sends the right message though really we need better education.

I don't think having a 15-year old on the sex offender registry for the next 20 years sends that great of a message.

Consistently feels weird to me to refer to him as a 15 year old when he's 21 or 22 now.

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They had met at a convention in Denver and he had dated both of them long distance.

Wasn't it a farmer's convention too? I can't fathom meeting a partner at a convention like that.

A farmer's convention for teenagers. One imagines it was 20% looking at tractors and 80% dodging the chaperones to get up to adolescent shenanigans.