15 year-old boy forced to register as sex offender

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

And yet he was charged with child sexual exploitation regarding keeping pictures of these mysterious not adults and also not children his own age and older.

It’s what happens when a society and it’s authorities put their head up their ass.

[Ifreann]

A fifteen year old boy is not a man, though. They’re a child.

Vass apparently believes America is Sparta.

You apparently agree.

Even underaged minors who cannot legally consent, whom one of the girls were.

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

[Diopolis]

A fifteen year old isn't a man yet, you're right, but I'd argue that "he's a child" is just as wrong here.

And yet he was charged with child sexual exploitation regarding keeping pictures of these mysterious not adults and also not children his own age and older.

Hmm.

Let me be clear: I believe he should be charged with harassment, indecent exposure, and any other applicable crimes, but not with child sexual exploitation.

[Nova Cyberia]

Vass apparently believes America is Sparta.

You apparently agree.

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

That doesn't really follow that well, Iffy my boy.

[Galloism]

And yet he was charged with child sexual exploitation regarding keeping pictures of these mysterious not adults and also not children his own age and older.

Hmm.

Let me be clear: I believe he should be charged with harassment, indecent exposure, and any other applicable crimes, but not with child sexual exploitation.

Criminal harassment is exceptionally narrow though, and in Colorado, there's a very significant criminal element that's missing (hence why they probably didn't charge him with it):

https://www.shouselaw.com/colorado/dome ... sment.html

However, in order to violate Colorado's criminal harassment law, these acts must be done with the intent to harass, annoy, or alarm another person.

Given he was carrying on a mutual long range relationship, this would not appear to meet the criteria for criminal harassment.

Indecent exposure may also not apply depending on the content of the text messages, and whether it was likely to cause affront or alarm:

Under Colorado law, a person commits indecent exposure if they knowingly expose their genitals to the view of any person under circumstances likely to cause affront or alarm with the intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desire of any person.

...

The individual's intent and the location of where the alleged indecent exposure are important. If someone exposes their genitals in a place not likely to be in view of other people, it may not be indecent exposure. For example, if someone went to a secluded hiking spot they may decide to take off their clothes to sunbathe. If someone suddenly comes across their path, this may not be indecent exposure because they did not knowingly expose their genitals to the view of any person.

Similarly, if you expose your genitals in a location where it will not likely cause an affront, this may not be considered indecent exposure. For example, if someone goes to a known nude beach and takes off their clothes, this may not be indecent exposure because other people at the nude beach are not likely to be alarmed or offended.

https://www.shouselaw.com/colorado/sex_ ... osure.html


I don't know if any other Colorado crimes could apply.

[Galloism]

Vass apparently believes America is Sparta.

You apparently agree.

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

I do find it interesting how people mark down agency selectively.

It's terrifying how we do it societally.

[Diopolis]

Let me be clear: I believe he should be charged with harassment, indecent exposure, and any other applicable crimes, but not with child sexual exploitation.

Criminal harassment is exceptionally narrow though, and in Colorado, there's a very significant criminal element that's missing (hence why they probably didn't charge him with it):

https://www.shouselaw.com/colorado/dome ... sment.html

However, in order to violate Colorado's criminal harassment law, these acts must be done with the intent to harass, annoy, or alarm another person.

Given he was carrying on a mutual long range relationship, this would not appear to meet the criteria for criminal harassment.

Indecent exposure may also not apply depending on the content of the text messages, and whether it was likely to cause affront or alarm:

Under Colorado law, a person commits indecent exposure if they knowingly expose their genitals to the view of any person under circumstances likely to cause affront or alarm with the intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desire of any person.

...

The individual's intent and the location of where the alleged indecent exposure are important. If someone exposes their genitals in a place not likely to be in view of other people, it may not be indecent exposure. For example, if someone went to a secluded hiking spot they may decide to take off their clothes to sunbathe. If someone suddenly comes across their path, this may not be indecent exposure because they did not knowingly expose their genitals to the view of any person.

Similarly, if you expose your genitals in a location where it will not likely cause an affront, this may not be considered indecent exposure. For example, if someone goes to a known nude beach and takes off their clothes, this may not be indecent exposure because other people at the nude beach are not likely to be alarmed or offended.

https://www.shouselaw.com/colorado/sex_ ... osure.html


I don't know if any other Colorado crimes could apply.

Hmm. I definitely believe his actions should be illegal, although it would appear that non-child-sexual-exploitation charges wouldn't stick because of Colorado law. Although 15 year olds aren't full adults with the full ability to make their own decisions, they're more than old enough to know what they were consenting to here.
I don't think he should have gone on the registry, on account of his age, although I also think that his actions aren't severe enough to really justify it.

[Ifreann]

You apparently agree.

That doesn't really follow that well, Iffy my boy.

Vass, supposedly, thinks that teenagers are wholly responsible for their own actions.
You, plainly, think likewise.

[Galloism]

Hmm. I definitely believe his actions should be illegal, although it would appear that non-child-sexual-exploitation charges wouldn't stick because of Colorado law. Although 15 year olds aren't full adults with the full ability to make their own decisions, they're more than old enough to know what they were consenting to here.

I mean, that goes both ways though doesn't it?

I don't think he should have gone on the registry, on account of his age, although I also think that his actions aren't severe enough to really justify it.

Honestly, the proper punishment would probably be to delete the pictures and take away his xbox (or equivalent) for six months.

I'd also be ok with like 50 hours of community service or something like that.

[Diopolis]

Hmm. I definitely believe his actions should be illegal, although it would appear that non-child-sexual-exploitation charges wouldn't stick because of Colorado law. Although 15 year olds aren't full adults with the full ability to make their own decisions, they're more than old enough to know what they were consenting to here.

I mean, that goes both ways though doesn't it?

Yes. I don't think it's intellectually honest to claim he was sexually exploiting the girls. I do claim he was harassing them, but under colorado law that doesn't hold up(I do think that when teenagers are involved there should perhaps be a lower threshold for harassment, because they're not really adults yet, just like they're not really children).

I don't think he should have gone on the registry, on account of his age, although I also think that his actions aren't severe enough to really justify it.

Honestly, the proper punishment would probably be to delete the pictures and take away his xbox (or equivalent) for six months.

I'd also be ok with like 50 hours of community service or something like that.

I mean, the court can't exactly take away his xbox. Community service is probably the best move here, in terms of existing things that the court can hand out.
Honestly this sounds like something that their parents could easily have sat down and worked out a solution to.

[Nova Cyberia]

That doesn't really follow that well, Iffy my boy.

Vass, supposedly, thinks that teenagers are wholly responsible for their own actions.
You, plainly, think likewise.

I believe that it's rather silly to make one teenager responsible for the actions of another in a circumstance such as this.

[Galloism]

I mean, that goes both ways though doesn't it?

Yes. I don't think it's intellectually honest to claim he was sexually exploiting the girls. I do claim he was harassing them, but under colorado law that doesn't hold up(I do think that when teenagers are involved there should perhaps be a lower threshold for harassment, because they're not really adults yet, just like they're not really children).

I'm not sure carrying on a long distance relationship is "harassment", even in the general sense.

By this metric, if they had asked him repeatedly to buy them a tiara (is that what kids want these days? tiaras? it was a big thing when I was a kid), it would be harassment.

Honestly, the proper punishment would probably be to delete the pictures and take away his xbox (or equivalent) for six months.

I'd also be ok with like 50 hours of community service or something like that.

I mean, the court can't exactly take away his xbox. Community service is probably the best move here, in terms of existing things that the court can hand out.
Honestly this sounds like something that their parents could easily have sat down and worked out a solution to.

Probably yes, but the police got involved for other investigatory reasons, and just tacked this on over and above.

[Ifreann]

Vass, supposedly, thinks that teenagers are wholly responsible for their own actions.
You, plainly, think likewise.

I believe that it's rather silly to make one teenager responsible for the actions of another in a circumstance such as this.

So you don't think that teenagers are responsible for their own actions? Then you don't think that EH and LB are at fault for sending nude pictures to TB.
Or you do think that teenagers are responsible for their own actions? Then you do think that TB is responsible for his actions. Sending the two girls unsolicited dick pics and insisting that they reciprocate and keeping the pictures when they did.

[Cekoviu]

Yes. I don't think it's intellectually honest to claim he was sexually exploiting the girls. I do claim he was harassing them, but under colorado law that doesn't hold up(I do think that when teenagers are involved there should perhaps be a lower threshold for harassment, because they're not really adults yet, just like they're not really children).

I'm not sure carrying on a long distance relationship is "harassment", even in the general sense.

By this metric, if they had asked him repeatedly to buy them a tiara (is that what kids want these days? tiaras? it was a big thing when I was a kid), it would be harassment.

At age 15, kids wanted tiaras in your day?
That's like a thing that 3-7 year olds want.

[Galloism]

I'm not sure carrying on a long distance relationship is "harassment", even in the general sense.

By this metric, if they had asked him repeatedly to buy them a tiara (is that what kids want these days? tiaras? it was a big thing when I was a kid), it would be harassment.

At age 15, kids wanted tiaras in your day?
That's like a thing that 3-7 year olds want.

I mean, it was in Sumer...

[Greater Cesnica]

So who gets punished if a gay 15-year-old "coerces" another gay 15-year-old into sending nudes? Or a 15-year-old lesbian "coerces" another 15-year-old lesbian into sending nudes?

In all seriousness however this is fucking shameful. They are literally the same age, they're in high school, they have wild hormones, and he didn't fucking threaten them into sending nudes, and they never reported him. Soooo what's the big deal here? Misandry much?

[Galloism]

I believe that it's rather silly to make one teenager responsible for the actions of another in a circumstance such as this.

So you don't think that teenagers are responsible for their own actions? Then you don't think that EH and LB are at fault for sending nude pictures to TB.
Or you do think that teenagers are responsible for their own actions? Then you do think that TB is responsible for his actions. Sending the two girls unsolicited dick pics and insisting that they reciprocate and keeping the pictures when they did.

It's worth note the last scenario looks like this:

TB is responsible for sending unsolicited dick pics.
TB is responsible for repeatedly asking for clit pics.
EH and LB are responsible for sending clit pics.
TB is responsible for keeping clit pics.

In the first scenario, it looks like this:

TB is not responsible for sending unsolicited dick pics. He's below the age of responsibility.
TB is not responsible for repeatedly asking for clit pics. He's below the age of responsibility.
EH and LB are neither responsible for sending clit pics. They are below the age of responsibility.
TB is not responsible for keeping the clit pics. He's below the age of responsibility.


Although arguably, given one was 17, if you drew your line at 16, you'd find one of the girls responsible but the other girl and the boy not.

[Nova Cyberia]

I believe that it's rather silly to make one teenager responsible for the actions of another in a circumstance such as this.

So you don't think that teenagers are responsible for their own actions? Then you don't think that EH and LB are at fault for sending nude pictures to TB.
Or you do think that teenagers are responsible for their own actions? Then you do think that TB is responsible for his actions. Sending the two girls unsolicited dick pics and insisting that they reciprocate and keeping the pictures when they did.

Honestly, Iffy, they're all kids. Yes, TB is responsible for sending unsolicited dick pics and then keeping them. EH and LB are responsible for sending nudes back to him.

About as responsible as any group of 15-year olds can be, anyway.

I don't, however, believe any of them are entirely 100% responsible as if they were adults.

[Greater Cesnica]

So you don't think that teenagers are responsible for their own actions? Then you don't think that EH and LB are at fault for sending nude pictures to TB.
Or you do think that teenagers are responsible for their own actions? Then you do think that TB is responsible for his actions. Sending the two girls unsolicited dick pics and insisting that they reciprocate and keeping the pictures when they did.

Honestly, Iffy, they're all kids. Yes, TB is responsible for sending unsolicited dick pics and then keeping them. EH and LB are responsible for sending nudes back to him.

About as responsible as any group of 15-year olds can be, anyway.

I don't, however, believe any of them are entirely 100% responsible as if they were adults.

And the boy shouldn't receive 20 years on a registry designed to punish child molesters and rapists. That will ruin his life.

[Ors Might]

A fifteen year old boy is not a man, though. They’re a child.

A fifteen year old isn't a man yet, you're right, but I'd argue that "he's a child" is just as wrong here.

If having nudes of a fifteen year old girl counts as child pornography, why wouldn’t it be correct to call him a child?

[Magisterial Imperium]

In all seriousness however this is fucking shameful. They are literally the same age, they're in high school, they have wild hormones, and he didn't fucking threaten them into sending nudes, and they never reported him. Soooo what's the big deal here? Misandry much?

No more lotharios. End the lothatrio epidemic.

[Ors Might]

In all seriousness however this is fucking shameful. They are literally the same age, they're in high school, they have wild hormones, and he didn't fucking threaten them into sending nudes, and they never reported him. Soooo what's the big deal here? Misandry much?

No more lotharios. End the lothatrio epidemic.

Whot

[Magisterial Imperium]

If having nudes of a fifteen year old girl counts as child pornography, why wouldn’t it be correct to call him a child?

It doesn’t.

[Nova Cyberia]

Honestly, Iffy, they're all kids. Yes, TB is responsible for sending unsolicited dick pics and then keeping them. EH and LB are responsible for sending nudes back to him.

About as responsible as any group of 15-year olds can be, anyway.

I don't, however, believe any of them are entirely 100% responsible as if they were adults.

And the boy shouldn't receive 20 years on a registry designed to punish child molesters and rapists. That will ruin his life.

Yeah, this is also true.

But our society decides who is a victim based purely on gender, so few people will care.

[Greater Cesnica]

A fifteen year old isn't a man yet, you're right, but I'd argue that "he's a child" is just as wrong here.

If having nudes of a fifteen year old girl counts as child pornography, why wouldn’t it be correct to call him a child?

Look I personally do not have a moral objection to him possessing those nudes for his own, ahem... viewing. If he was three years old though? That would be a problem. The kid's literally in Grade 10, and they're ruining his life.