15 year-old boy forced to register as sex offender

[Cekoviu]

No, because men usually ask me for explicit pictures. I’m not sure age would change that.
You don’t like the charge, support better sex education. Or even relational education I should say.

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

Helping people understand consent?

[Nova Cyberia]

A strange tactic to give a so-called harasser precisely what he wants.

Not really? Giving him what he wants just so he'd leave you alone is the easiest option.

You're assigning motivation that has not even been proven.

In fact, we are both just speculating here.

[Ifreann]

I don’t think arguing that the girls should be prosecuted is in good faith.

Why not? They created and distributed child pornography.

I believe that Gravlen mentioned somewhere up-thread that under Colorado law a person cannot be convicted of exploiting themselves.

[Diopolis]

No, because men usually ask me for explicit pictures. I’m not sure age would change that.
You don’t like the charge, support better sex education. Or even relational education I should say.

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

It could easily have convinced him it was wrong to pressure girls for nude pics.

[Nova Cyberia]

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

It could easily have convinced him it was wrong to pressure girls for nude pics.

Well, I support sex ed anyway so this is kind of immaterial to me.

[Greed and Death]

Coercion ? He threatened the use of force ? Or was this peer pressure ? Peer pressure can be bad (it can also be good) but it is not something we should routinely result in criminal sanctions for?

I don’t have any issue penalizing men for attempting to pressure women for nudes.

Handle your relations with humanity.

The girls thought they were dating him the pressure was send nudes or I think we need to break up.
What you propose criminalizing is a man(boy) communicating his sexual needs to a woman(girl).

You are allowed to make sex a requirement of a relationship and most adults over the age of 21 that are sexually active do. You are also allowed to ask for a sex act again, and it is perfectly legal for woman to change their minds.

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

Keep it to yourself or go to a porn website.

[Nova Cyberia]

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

Keep it to yourself or go to a porn website.

I'm waaaayyyyy ahead of you on that one, fam.

[Cekoviu]

Keep it to yourself or go to a porn website.

I'm waaaayyyyy ahead of you on that one, fam.

Absolutely haram.

[Diopolis]

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

Keep it to yourself or go to a porn website.

No, ban porn and teach self discipline.

[Nova Cyberia]

Keep it to yourself or go to a porn website.

No, ban porn and teach self discipline.

That'll work out about as well as banning prostitution has.

[Greed and Death]

No, because men usually ask me for explicit pictures. I’m not sure age would change that.
You don’t like the charge, support better sex education. Or even relational education I should say.

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

He had met them in person at an event and led both girls to believe he was dating them long distance. Yes he is a two timing shit bag but that is not against the law.
He got them to send nudes after the initial no because he threatened to end the long term relationship. Again this does not paint a pretty picture of him but this is not an issue the criminal justice system should be involved in.

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

What you propose criminalizing is a man(boy) communicating his sexual needs to a woman(girl).

The kid is a douchebag. If two agree to share pictures, that’s fine, don’t go around pressuring people for them.

You are allowed to make sex a requirement of a relationship and most adults over the age of 21 that are sexually active do. You are also allowed to ask for a sex act again, and it is perfectly legal for woman to change their minds.

If you have a solid relationship but realistically need your relationship to be a sexual one that’s fine.

I don’t get the impression that is what happened here. This is just another douchebag demanding nudes who doesn’t give a shit about other people.

[Diopolis]

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

He had met them in person at an event and led both girls to believe he was dating them long distance. Yes he is a two timing shit bag but that is not against the law.
He got them to send nudes after the initial no because he threatened to end the long term relationship. Again this does not paint a pretty picture of him but this is not an issue the criminal justice system should be involved in.

Yes, pressuring minors to produce pornography of themselves is something the law should be unconcerned about.

[Gravlen]

Asking and keeping nude pictures of children? Yeah, that's easily both exploitative and criminal. In this case, both.

But creating it apparently isn't.

...not when you're the child being exploited, no.

Why is that hard to understand?

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...I mean...

What the Hell do you think happened here?

Colorado Statutes Title 18 Criminal Code § 18-6-403 IS Colorado's law concerning child porn offenses.

Jesus Christ. Where's that face-slap smilie when you need it.

Colorado Child Pornography Laws

Colorado prohibits child pornography under a broad statute covering the sexual exploitation of a child. As in most states, the creation or sale of child pornography is punished more harshly than the possession of it. In addition, possession of more than 20 different items of child pornography or multiple convictions can be aggravating factors when it comes to sentencing.

Ah, I see.

Hm...

As in most states, the creation or sale of child pornography is punished more harshly than the possession of it.

If I recall correctly the girls took and sent naked pictures of themselves to him. They created child pornography.

Why were they not punished? Your own fucking source says creation is punished more harshly than possession. Yet they were not punished at all.

It's not a crime to take a picture of yourself. The boy was not charged for having pictures of his own erect penis on his phone.

And as above, the children featured in child pornography is not usually prosecuted for their own victimization.

Why would this law not be used against the girls, if the positions had been reversed?

Why isn't it being used against them now?

Because they didn't ask for nudes from an underaged boy, and didn't keep the nudes he sent them.

They created child pornography, and can be prosecuted for such as you just demonstrated.

No, because they're the victims of exploitation. The children featured in child pornography is not usually prosecuted for their own victimization. (Again, that would be why the boy was not prosecuted for having pictures of his penis on his phone, no matter what happened to them.)

Still more facts than you have. Very little lasts a long time, it seems.


I mean, I guess I could educate you about how the legal system works? You obviously have absolutely no clue about that, so...

Jesus Christ. "Why didn't they charge him with possession of child pornography" he says, after the boy was convicted for possessing child pornography.

Or you could just not go out of your way to explain away boys and men being fucked over by various legal systems across the world.

Not my fault you don't understand what's happening. After all, you have yet to sign up to my training seminar where I could teach you the basic knowledge you're lacking

[Cekoviu]

Keep it to yourself or go to a porn website.

No, ban porn and teach self discipline.

Ew. No.

[Proctopeo]

How the fuck is sex ed going to keep boys from wanting to see nude female bodies?

Helping people understand consent?

text rape

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

No, ban porn and teach self discipline.

Go ahead and teach self discipline but you conservatives are the ones with the porn problem statistically, the rest of us are healthy.

[Gravlen]

Not really? Giving him what he wants just so he'd leave you alone is the easiest option.

You're assigning motivation that has not even been proven.

In fact, we are both just speculating here.

¶ 8 The juvenile repeatedly asked her to send him nude photographs of herself. She said that "[t]he first time [she] told him no. Then after that [she] was like well, maybe after a while, and then just kind of like getting him off [her] case, and then finally [she] just gave in."

[Vassenor]

So are we doing mental gymnastics to justify calling him the real victim here or something?

[Diopolis]

No, ban porn and teach self discipline.

Go ahead and teach self discipline but you conservatives are the ones with the porn problem statistically, the rest of us are healthy.

Your statistics are based off of subscriptions, not viewing statistics.

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

So are we doing mental gymnastics to justify calling him the real victim here or something?

Just Nova Cyberia.

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

Your statistics are based off of subscriptions, not viewing statistics.

I don’t care. I had a Christian friend who would beat himself up for masturbation. Fuck off with it. Masturbation is normal.

[Nova Cyberia]

But creating it apparently isn't.

...not when you're the child being exploited, no.

Why is that hard to understand?

Exploited by another child, of course.

Ah, I see.

Hm...

If I recall correctly the girls took and sent naked pictures of themselves to him. They created child pornography.

Why were they not punished? Your own fucking source says creation is punished more harshly than possession. Yet they were not punished at all.

It's not a crime to take a picture of yourself. The boy was not charged for having pictures of his own erect penis on his phone.

And as above, the children featured in child pornography is not usually prosecuted for their own victimization.

They're not victims. They were pressured, yes. But pressure is not the same thing as being forced. Especially when that pressure is being applied by another 15-year old.

They voluntarily sent him nudes. They voluntarily created child pornography.

I would have preferred none of them be prosecuted, but hey, let's shoot for consistency.

Why isn't it being used against them now?

Because they didn't ask for nudes from an underaged boy, and didn't keep the nudes he sent them.

But they still sent him nudes.

They created child pronography, and again, your own fucking source says creation is punished more harshly than posession.

They created child pornography, and can be prosecuted for such as you just demonstrated.

No, because they're the victims of exploitation. The children featured in child pornography is not usually prosecuted for their own victimization. (Again, that would be why the boy was not prosecuted for having pictures of his penis on his phone, no matter what happened to them.)

They victimized themselves. They voluntarily created the pornography themselves.

Unless he forced them (which he didn't) then they made the decision themselves.

Or you could just not go out of your way to explain away boys and men being fucked over by various legal systems across the world.

Not my fault you don't understand what's happening. After all, you have yet to sign up to my training seminar where I could teach you the basic knowledge you're lacking

Ah, yes. How else would I know that a judge threatening someone with legal consequences actually isn't coercion?

[Eurasian Socialist Combine]

Exploited by another child, of course.

Yes...

They're not victims. They were pressured, yes. But pressure is not the same thing as being forced. Especially when that pressure is being applied by another 15-year old.

Charging him sends the right message though really we need better education.