15 year-old boy forced to register as sex offender

[Cekoviu]

Are all sexual acts between men and women?

As in all sexual acts between men and women, yes? Are they all coerced?

Sorry, that was worded very ambiguously.
I was asking you if you legitimately think that all sexual acts involve an even number of people with men as well as women involved.

[EastKekistan]

Is this really just adults who try to destroy the lives of teens for lulz? Generational conflict is common because all humans are fighting for status at any cost..

[Ifreann]

Since when is punishing harassment prudish?

Of course harassment sucks and should be punished.

However I think there are cases where kids are charged simply for..uh..having sex or sending pictures to their lovers. What's the cause of such laws and why are they enforced?

The cause of such laws is the phenomenon of child pornography and the wide consensus that is it bad. I'm sure you're aware that laws against child pornography pre-date the current ubiquity of digital cameras.

Really, this should be obvious.

[Cekoviu]

I believe you, as that has been my experience. I would be curious to see the data you have around that, though, particularly with regards to trends over time.

I don't know that I have trends over time.

Here's a few articles about the present:

https://girlpowermarketing.com/womens-purchasing-power/
https://wwd.com/business-news/retail/wo ... 203079955/
https://www.bloomberg.com/diversity-inc ... consumers/
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/329780

The thing is, single men and single women earn about the same (under 30 single women actually earn more than single men), while married men earn more and married women earn less. But typically, married women substantially control the finances of the household, so even though they earn less than men, they spend more than men, because they're substantially in control of the spending in a mixed gender household.

Thanks, it's interesting to see the exact percentages. I was hoping there'd be some more specific trend data because I wanted to see if the increase in stay-at-home fathers and working mothers would change the way budgeting works, but the top one says that purchasing power for women is increasing regardless, so perhaps there's no or little influence from that.

[Vassenor]

Since when is punishing harassment prudish?

Such horrible harassment that they voluntarily sent nudes back to him.

If they were harassed into doing it, is it really voluntary in any universe where you're not desperately trying to exonerate him for being a sex offender?

[Gormwood]

Such horrible harassment that they voluntarily sent nudes back to him.

If they were harassed into doing it, is it really voluntary in any universe where you're not desperately trying to exonerate him for being a sex offender?

Yes, it is actually.

[Gravlen]

I'm sorry, I assumed you would look at other posts in this thread, like the one right above the one you responded to, or many of the later posts. I understand now that I was thinking too highly of you. My apologies.

Sorry but I don't think Blaat's post has anything to do with me.

Yeah you only created the thread, it's obvious that you wouldn't give a shit about what was talked about in it.

You misunderstood it because the boy and the girls were in completely different situations, having taken different actions. The boy sent pictures unsolicited (the girls didn't), asked for pictures in return (the girls didn't)

He was charged with sexual exploitation of a minor. Considering that the girls voluntarily sent pictures of themselves to him, it seems rather odd to charge him with sexual exploitation. Especially considering, you know, he himself is a minor. Who was he exploiting?

He was exploiting the girls. It doesn't matter that the girls sent the pictures voluntarily.

and kept them afterwards (the girls didn't). When he was being investigated for a different crime (the girls weren't) the pictures were found on his phone (they were never found on the phones of the girls).

Um, Gravlen, they had to have been on their phones at some point. It's literally impossible to take and send a picture on a phone without it being stored on a hard drive.

It's not a crime to take a picture of yourself. The boy was not charged for having pictures of his own erect penis on his phone.

It is a crime to keep pictures of underage children on your phone. The boy kept nude pictures of underage girls on his phone, which he recieved after asking for them multiple times. The girls did not keep the pictures of his penis that he sent to them (unsolicited).

That's your example of institutional bias. That's your bullshit.

Yes, it is. Institutional bias against men in our court system is an easily verifiable fact. This is just one example.

An example of how different people doing different things lead to different outcomes is an example of institutional bias. Sure.

But remember the thread about the Indian man who was ordered to allow his wife to us his sperm to become pregnant? Remember how you unironically tried to argue that a judge threatening a man with legal consequences was not coercion?

Yes.

It's fairly clear you are only interested in trying to deny any and all examples of bias and discrimination again. I don't know why this is (female fragility?) but it's easy to tell you are not at all looking to be honest. Facts mean nothing to you.

Again, pathetic.

Interesting take, given that you didn't even know the facts when you made this thread. And still don't, apparently.

[Nova Cyberia]

Yes, it is actually.

Even underaged minors who cannot legally consent, whom one of the girls were.

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

[Agarntrop]

In my opinion this was a fair ruling. He did commit a minor sex offence by pressuring minors of his own age to send selfies of themselves naked after they had resisted for his sexual gratification. He hasn't gone to prison and faced no excessive punishment. The sex offender thing is also reasonable as he could potentially do this or something similar again.

[Gormwood]

Even underaged minors who cannot legally consent, whom one of the girls were.

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

"If a minor is harassed and pressured into having sex it's the minor's fault."

HONK.

[Nova Cyberia]

Sorry but I don't think Blaat's post has anything to do with me.

Yeah you only created the thread, it's obvious that you wouldn't give a shit about what was talked about in it.

Oh, but I do. Hence why I hate you spewing your flimsy bile in the thread.

He was charged with sexual exploitation of a minor. Considering that the girls voluntarily sent pictures of themselves to him, it seems rather odd to charge him with sexual exploitation. Especially considering, you know, he himself is a minor. Who was he exploiting?

He was exploiting the girls. It doesn't matter that the girls sent the pictures voluntarily.

Then I suppose anyone who asks for nude pictures from someone else is exploiting.

Which could be true. But that does not make it criminal.

Um, Gravlen, they had to have been on their phones at some point. It's literally impossible to take and send a picture on a phone without it being stored on a hard drive.

It's not a crime to take a picture of yourself. The boy was not charged for having pictures of his own erect penis on his phone.

It is a crime to keep pictures of underage children on your phone. The boy kept nude pictures of underage girls on his phone, which he recieved after asking for them multiple times. The girls did not keep the pictures of his penis that he sent to them (unsolicited).

If that is the crime then why was he not charged with possession of child pornography?

Yes, it is. Institutional bias against men in our court system is an easily verifiable fact. This is just one example.

An example of how different people doing different things lead to different outcomes is an example of institutional bias. Sure.

An example of how laws can be weaponized to attack young boys for exploring their sexuality.

But remember the thread about the Indian man who was ordered to allow his wife to us his sperm to become pregnant? Remember how you unironically tried to argue that a judge threatening a man with legal consequences was not coercion?

Yes.

It's fairly clear you are only interested in trying to deny any and all examples of bias and discrimination again. I don't know why this is (female fragility?) but it's easy to tell you are not at all looking to be honest. Facts mean nothing to you.

Again, pathetic.

Interesting take, given that you didn't even know the facts when you made this thread. And still don't, apparently.

All bark and very little bite.

No wonder you unironically thought a judge threatening someone with legal consequences is not coercion.

Got anything else?

[Qin Imperium]

The cause of such laws is the phenomenon of child pornography and the wide consensus that is it bad. I'm sure you're aware that laws against child pornography pre-date the current ubiquity of digital cameras.

I agree with prosecuting Nova Cyberia and producers of pornography in which children are violated, but Nudism is legal, naked pictures are already on the internet legally, without even being on the dark web.

[Crockerland]

Yes, it is actually.

Even underaged minors who cannot legally consent, whom one of the girls were.

If they are the same fucking age as the guy asking them yes.

[Nova Cyberia]

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

"If a minor is harassed and pressured into having sex it's the minor's fault."

HONK.

They had sex?

This keeps getting better.

Also, your continued obsession with my flag continues to make me chuckle IRL.

[Ifreann]

Even underaged minors who cannot legally consent, whom one of the girls were.

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

[Qin Imperium]

You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

The person doing the pressuring is responsible, but they were both the same age.

[Nova Cyberia]

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

Does pressure absolve one of their faculty to make decisions?

[Qin Imperium]

Does pressure absolve one of their faculty to make decisions?

In practical terms yes, pressure does effect decision making. Not that I see how that changes the act morally. You pressure people into sending you sexual imagery, you’re a scumbag.

[Ifreann]

You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

The person doing the pressuring is responsible, but they were both the same age.

There were three people, and they weren't all the same age.

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You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

Does pressure absolve one of their faculty to make decisions?

Oh wow, you really do think that victims are responsible for being exploited. That's some wild shit.

[Crockerland]

They were both underage. The fact that they caved to his pressure is no one's fault but their own.

You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

The fact that you need to call one of them "someone" and the other "a child", when they're the same age, says a lot about how indefensible this position is without trying to retroactively justify it with misleading language. Without the context of the situation we are talking about, anyone reading your post would think you were talking about a pedophile sexual predator, not a 15 year old boy exchanging nudes with girls his age and older.

[Vassenor]

You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

The fact that you need to call one of them "someone" and the other "a child", when they're the same age, says a lot about how indefensible this position is without trying to retroactively justify it with misleading language. Without the context of the situation we are talking about, anyone reading your post would think you were talking about a pedophile sexual predator, not a 15 year old boy exchanging nudes with girls his age and older.

So it's fine to harass someone into sending you pictures of themselves naked if they're the same age as you?

[Qin Imperium]

There were three people, and they weren't all the same age.

Boy 15, girl 15, girl 17. Come off it.

[Gravlen]

Yeah you only created the thread, it's obvious that you wouldn't give a shit about what was talked about in it.

Oh, but I do. Hence why I hate you spewing your flimsy bile in the thread.

You just said the opposite. Make up your mind.

He was exploiting the girls. It doesn't matter that the girls sent the pictures voluntarily.

Then I suppose anyone who asks for nude pictures from someone else is exploiting.

Which could be true. But that does not make it criminal.

Asking and keeping nude pictures of children? Yeah, that's easily both exploitative and criminal. In this case, both.

It's not a crime to take a picture of yourself. The boy was not charged for having pictures of his own erect penis on his phone.

It is a crime to keep pictures of underage children on your phone. The boy kept nude pictures of underage girls on his phone, which he recieved after asking for them multiple times. The girls did not keep the pictures of his penis that he sent to them (unsolicited).

If that is the crime then why was he not charged with possession of child pornography?

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...I mean...

What the Hell do you think happened here?

Colorado Statutes Title 18 Criminal Code § 18-6-403 IS Colorado's law concerning child porn offenses.

Jesus Christ. Where's that face-slap smilie when you need it.

Colorado Child Pornography Laws

Colorado prohibits child pornography under a broad statute covering the sexual exploitation of a child. As in most states, the creation or sale of child pornography is punished more harshly than the possession of it. In addition, possession of more than 20 different items of child pornography or multiple convictions can be aggravating factors when it comes to sentencing.

An example of how different people doing different things lead to different outcomes is an example of institutional bias. Sure.

An example of how laws can be weaponized to attack young boys for exploring their sexuality.

Why would this law not be used against the girls, if the positions had been reversed?

Interesting take, given that you didn't even know the facts when you made this thread. And still don't, apparently.

All bark and very little bite.

Still more facts than you have. Very little lasts a long time, it seems.

Got anything else?

I mean, I guess I could educate you about how the legal system works? You obviously have absolutely no clue about that, so...

Jesus Christ. "Why didn't they charge him with possession of child pornography" he says, after the boy was convicted for possessing child pornography.

[Gormwood]

You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

The fact that you need to call one of them "someone" and the other "a child", when they're the same age, says a lot about how indefensible this position is without trying to retroactively justify it with misleading language. Without the context of the situation we are talking about, anyone reading your post would think you were talking about a pedophile sexual predator, not a 15 year old boy exchanging nudes with girls his age and older.

There's a thing called "hypotheticals".

[Ifreann]

You think that when someone pressures a child into taking nude pictures of themselves, the fault lies with the child being pressured?

I dunno man, kinda seems to me like the person doing to pressuring is responsible.

The fact that you need to call one of them "someone" and the other "a child", when they're the same age, says a lot about how indefensible this position is without trying to retroactively justify it with misleading language. Without the context of the situation we are talking about, anyone reading your post would think you were talking about a pedophile sexual predator, not a 15 year old boy exchanging nudes with girls his age and older.

Who is doing the pressuring is not really relevant when what I'm asking is whether Nova Cyberia thinks that the victims of exploitation are responsible for being exploited. And clearly he does.

And this is not a case of teens exchanging nudes. The perpetrator sent unsolicited dick pics to the victims and demanded they reciprocate, at length, despite being told no. The fact that you're trying to characterise this as a mutually consenting exchange says a lot about how indefensible this position is without trying to retroactively justify it with misleading language.