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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:05 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Your cynicism is not an argument. There is no reason why efforts shouldn't be made to rectify this sort of shit.


How do you write a law that allows for the creation of child pornography and then it's transmission without opening up huge loopholes? Just teach kids not to do it. Play doctors and nurses instead.


No amount of "sex ed" is going to stop people from sending nudes to each other and ruining peoples lives over that is a bit more than moronic.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:05 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Why was the girl charged with nothing then? She sent nude photos as well.


I dunno, maybe because charging an underage girl who was pressured for nude pics until she sent one would be like charging a pedophile's victim who was groomed for years? Just thinking out loud here.


The girl hasn't alleged she feels victimized by the encounter. It's also difficult to argue he pressured her through text messages devoid of threatening content. This is an example of how sexual dynamics victimize males by placing them in a perpetrator role.

This is what courting is like when you're young and often into adulthood too, due to slut shaming and other dynamics.

"Reluctance" is not refusal. It is a face-saving maneuver girls engage in to avoid appearing too sexual and thus "sluts.".

That behavior has, both in the court and in the minds of people like yourself, turned an ordinary sexual encounter into one where the boy is a perpetrator merely because even a 15 year old child is better at understanding social cues and subtext than modern feminists or the justice system.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:05 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Why was the girl charged with nothing then? She sent nude photos as well.


I dunno, maybe because charging an underage girl who was pressured for nude pics until she sent one would be like charging a pedophile's victim who was groomed for years? Just thinking out loud here.

They were both underage. Ffs.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:06 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Your cynicism is not an argument. There is no reason why efforts shouldn't be made to rectify this sort of shit.


How do you write a law that allows for the creation of child pornography and then it's transmission without opening up huge loopholes? Just teach kids not to do it. Play doctors and nurses instead.

Horny teenagers are always going to want to explore their sexuality.

There is literally no way to stop it.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:07 pm

Bombadil wrote:Yeah well, on the flip side..

The 16-year-old girl was visibly intoxicated, her speech slurred, when a drunk 16-year-old boy sexually assaulted her in a dark basement during an alcohol-fueled pajama party in New Jersey, prosecutors said.

The boy filmed himself penetrating her from behind, her torso exposed, her head hanging down, prosecutors said. He later shared the cellphone video among friends, investigators said, and sent a text that said, “When your first time having sex was rape.”

But a family court judge said it wasn’t rape. Instead, he wondered aloud if it was sexual assault, defining rape as something reserved for an attack at gunpoint by strangers.

He also said the young man came from a good family, attended an excellent school, had terrific grades and was an Eagle scout. Prosecutors, the judge said, should have explained to the girl and her family that pressing charges would destroy the boy’s life.


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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:07 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
How do you write a law that allows for the creation of child pornography and then it's transmission without opening up huge loopholes? Just teach kids not to do it. Play doctors and nurses instead.


No amount of "sex ed" is going to stop people from sending nudes to each other and ruining peoples lives over that is a bit more than moronic.

If you teach kids sending nudes to each other will wreck their lives and they do it anyways... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:07 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:What was the point of this post, exactly?

What about girls?

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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:08 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Yeah well, on the flip side..

The 16-year-old girl was visibly intoxicated, her speech slurred, when a drunk 16-year-old boy sexually assaulted her in a dark basement during an alcohol-fueled pajama party in New Jersey, prosecutors said.

The boy filmed himself penetrating her from behind, her torso exposed, her head hanging down, prosecutors said. He later shared the cellphone video among friends, investigators said, and sent a text that said, “When your first time having sex was rape.”

But a family court judge said it wasn’t rape. Instead, he wondered aloud if it was sexual assault, defining rape as something reserved for an attack at gunpoint by strangers.

He also said the young man came from a good family, attended an excellent school, had terrific grades and was an Eagle scout. Prosecutors, the judge said, should have explained to the girl and her family that pressing charges would destroy the boy’s life.


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What was the point of this post, exactly?

That contrary to the rantings, females are not the privileged gender regarding sex crimes. Unless you want to call that cited case a victory for males.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:09 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No amount of "sex ed" is going to stop people from sending nudes to each other and ruining peoples lives over that is a bit more than moronic.

If you teach kids sending nudes to each other will wreck their lives and they do it anyways... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, because kids never do dumb this.

I can really feel the sympathy oozing from you.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:09 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
How do you write a law that allows for the creation of child pornography and then it's transmission without opening up huge loopholes? Just teach kids not to do it. Play doctors and nurses instead.

Horny teenagers are always going to want to explore their sexuality.

There is literally no way to stop it.


Of course. Just teach them how not to become child pornographers while doing it.

It's kinda like kids will experiment with drink and drugs. We tell them not to do it because it's a crime. When they do they get punished for it.

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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
How do you write a law that allows for the creation of child pornography and then it's transmission without opening up huge loopholes? Just teach kids not to do it. Play doctors and nurses instead.


No amount of "sex ed" is going to stop people from sending nudes to each other and ruining peoples lives over that is a bit more than moronic.

Yet red states still have Abstinence Only sex education policies.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:09 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:What was the point of this post, exactly?

That contrary to the rantings, females are not the privileged gender regarding sex crimes. Unless you want to call that cited case a victory for males.


Lol.
That case Is international news because it's not ordinary. But that kind of outcome is what happens for male victims of rape all the time, the female perpetrator gets let off because reasons and she's a good person and blah blah.

Women are absolutely a privileged class in the court system and criminal justice, across all categories of crime.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:10 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Yeah well, on the flip side..

The 16-year-old girl was visibly intoxicated, her speech slurred, when a drunk 16-year-old boy sexually assaulted her in a dark basement during an alcohol-fueled pajama party in New Jersey, prosecutors said.

The boy filmed himself penetrating her from behind, her torso exposed, her head hanging down, prosecutors said. He later shared the cellphone video among friends, investigators said, and sent a text that said, “When your first time having sex was rape.”

But a family court judge said it wasn’t rape. Instead, he wondered aloud if it was sexual assault, defining rape as something reserved for an attack at gunpoint by strangers.

He also said the young man came from a good family, attended an excellent school, had terrific grades and was an Eagle scout. Prosecutors, the judge said, should have explained to the girl and her family that pressing charges would destroy the boy’s life.


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What was the point of this post, exactly?


From the OP..

This is yet another example of the institutional bias of our courts against men and young boys.

This is not, at all, always the case.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:10 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:What was the point of this post, exactly?

That contrary to the rantings, females are not the privileged gender regarding sex crimes. Unless you want to call that cited case a victory for males.

Except there is a real institutional bias in our court system against men.

That one case does not change that fact.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:11 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:What was the point of this post, exactly?


From the OP..

This is yet another example of the institutional bias of our courts against men and young boys.

This is not, at all, always the case.



The bias in the court system against men and boys is well documented. Finding an instance of a black person being treated well by police doesn't disprove anything.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:11 pm

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Al Mumtahanah wrote:Sure it was just because he was a boy and not because he sent an unsolicited picture and continued to solit pictures despite resistence?

Why was the girl charged with nothing then? She sent nude photos as well.


Sent and received. Problem is that the United States is puritan and old fashioned, so only the boy receives punishment.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:11 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:What cut off age would you prefer for this crime to be treated seriously?

They were both the same age. Why would it ever be treated seriously?

Because society opposes sex with minors or pornographic pictures of them.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:12 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:What was the point of this post, exactly?


From the OP..

This is yet another example of the institutional bias of our courts against men and young boys.

This is not, at all, always the case.

Except that there is a provable statistical bias in our courts against men.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:12 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Why was the girl charged with nothing then? She sent nude photos as well.


Sent and received. Problem is that the United States is puritan and old fashioned, so only the boy receives punishment.

So you're upset the girls weren't convicted and registered as sex offenders as well.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:12 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Sent and received. Problem is that the United States is puritan and old fashioned, so only the boy receives punishment.

So you're upset the girls weren't convicted and registered as sex offenders as well.

Your reading comprehension truly is legendary.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:12 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Sent and received. Problem is that the United States is puritan and old fashioned, so only the boy receives punishment.

So you're upset the girls weren't convicted and registered as sex offenders as well.


Yeah, if we're going to have these laws we should at least be consistent and ruins the girls lives too, no?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:13 pm

Fartsniffage wrote: Of course. Just teach them how not to become child pornographers while doing it.

Clearly that's too much to ask.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:14 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Sent and received. Problem is that the United States is puritan and old fashioned, so only the boy receives punishment.

So you're upset the girls weren't convicted and registered as sex offenders as well.


It's worth highlighting to point out that the boy is being victimized in this case and that the reason for it isn't the behavior he engaged in, but that he had the gall to be a heterosexual male while doing it.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:14 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:That contrary to the rantings, females are not the privileged gender regarding sex crimes. Unless you want to call that cited case a victory for males.

Except there is a real institutional bias in our court system against men.

That one case does not change that fact.


A DOJ report released in December of 2014 estimates 110,000 women between the ages of eighteen and twenty-four are raped each year. Krakauer’s devastating narrative of what happened in Missoula makes clear why rape is so prevalent on American campuses, and why rape victims are so reluctant to report assault.

Acquaintance rape is a crime like no other. Unlike burglary or embezzlement or any other felony, the victim often comes under more suspicion than the alleged perpetrator. This is especially true if the victim is sexually active; if she had been drinking prior to the assault — and if the man she accuses plays on a popular sports team. The vanishingly small but highly publicized incidents of false accusations are often used to dismiss her claims in the press. If the case goes to trial, the woman’s entire personal life becomes fair game for defense attorneys.

This brutal reality goes a long way towards explaining why acquaintance rape is the most underreported crime in America. In addition to physical trauma, its victims often suffer devastating psychological damage that leads to feelings of shame, emotional paralysis and stigmatization. PTSD rates for rape victims are estimated to be 50%, higher than soldiers returning from war.

In Missoula, Krakauer chronicles the searing experiences of several women in Missoula — the nights when they were raped; their fear and self-doubt in the aftermath; the way they were treated by the police, prosecutors, defense attorneys; the public vilification and private anguish; their bravery in pushing forward and what it cost them.


It's often the other way around in terms of the minority of cases being used to justify dismissing the majority.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:15 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:What was the point of this post, exactly?

That contrary to the rantings, females are not the privileged gender regarding sex crimes. Unless you want to call that cited case a victory for males.


Apples and oranges. One is about consent, one is not.

So you're upset the girls weren't convicted and registered as sex offenders as well.


I'm upset that one person was prosecuted. Ideally the law shouldn't exist.
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