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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:42 pm

Yep.
A 15 year-old boy was convicted and ordered to sign the sex offenders register for swapping nude photos with a girl the same age as him.

The unnamed youngster got chatting to two girls – aged 15 and 17, while visiting the Future Farmers of America conference in 2012.

Both girls believed they were in a relationship with the boy. The youngster, from Colorado, sent both a photo of his erect penis and asked them to send a naked selfie in return.

After initially resisting, both girls sent the nude photo of themselves, Reason magazine reported.

The snaps he’d received were discovered when the boy was later arrested on an unrelated charge.

He was then charged and convicted with sexual exploitation of a child, ordered to spend two years on probation – and 20 years on the sex offenders’ register.

The boy’s initial court hearing convicted him after ruling that the girls’ initial reluctance to send nudes in return ‘suggested a sexual coyness.’

It also reasoned that the boy’s repeated requests for nude photos, after sending his own X-rated snap, showed that he wanted the pictures for ‘overt sexual gratification.’

That is necessary to prove the charges against him, and is also likely to explain why neither girl was charged with any crime.

The boy appealed his conviction, but last week Colorado’s Supreme Court upheld it.

They did so despite a 2018 change to the law aimed at preventing teens being charged with ‘sexual exploitation of a child’ for sharing nude photos.

Justice Monica M Marquez explained: ‘Our holding today may strike some as unfair, especially given the recent changes in the law addressing juvenile sexting behavior.

‘However, we must apply the law in effect at the time.’

Communicatons Professor Amy Hasinoff, from the University of Colorado at Denver helped draft the revised law, and condemned the upheld appeal.

She told The Washington Post: ‘Asking a few times for a photo doesn’t rise to the level of what should be on the sex offender registry. ‘Just because you have a 15-year-old asking another 15-year-old for photos doesn’t mean you’re a threat to children for the next 20 years.’

A 2018 survey found that one in four teenagers polled had received a sext, with one in seven respondents admitting sending one themselves.

So, a 15-year old boy has been forced to spend two years on probation and will have his name on the sex offender registry for the next 20 years (essentially, his life has been destroyed before it really even began) for voluntarily exchanging nude photos with another 15-year old girl. He appealed his conviction to the Colorado Supreme Court but they upheld it. So, are we still living in a patriarchy?

Obviously, I find this to be abhorrent. Of course, the girl he exchanged them with was charged with nothing. This is yet another example of the institutional bias of our courts against men and young boys. It's clear drastic changes need to happen in this country if we are to correct this sort of bias.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:49 pm

It's a fairly common outcome for these kind of cases that the boy is prosecuted, and yes it's an example of institutional misandry. IMO, he'd be well served if he contacted the NCFM and for them to argue this on a civil rights basis. The sex offenders registry is not fit for purpose and should be scrapped in favor of a need-to-know registry of people who have used a position of authority to exploit vulnerable people, viewable only by institutions who care for those people.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:50 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:It's a fairly common outcome for these kind of cases that the boy is prosecuted, and yes it's an example of institutional misandry. IMO, he'd be well served if he contacted the NCFM and for them to argue this on a civil rights basis. The sex offenders registry is not fit for purpose and should be scrapped in favor of a need-to-know registry of people who have used a position of authority to exploit vulnerable people, viewable only by institutions who care for those people.

The NCFM?
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:52 pm

What cut off age would you prefer for this crime to be treated seriously?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:53 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:It's a fairly common outcome for these kind of cases that the boy is prosecuted, and yes it's an example of institutional misandry. IMO, he'd be well served if he contacted the NCFM and for them to argue this on a civil rights basis. The sex offenders registry is not fit for purpose and should be scrapped in favor of a need-to-know registry of people who have used a position of authority to exploit vulnerable people, viewable only by institutions who care for those people.

The NCFM?


National coalition for men, the mens rights legal lobby in the US. They won that ruling recently on a state level about the male-only draft being unconstitutional, and a few cases about women only groups, funds and so on, being illegal. They take cases on occasion. Probably wouldn't want to take this one tbh due to the malicious liars in the press and how they'd report it while omitting important details to attack the NCFM and the MRM, but I can't speak for them obviously. I think they might be civil lawyers rather than criminal though.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:53 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:What cut off age would you prefer for this crime to be treated seriously?

They were both the same age. Why would it ever be treated seriously?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:54 pm

Sex ed really needs to be ramped up for this kind of thing. Sending nudes while under the age of consent is a crime.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:54 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The NCFM?


National coalition for men, the mens rights legal lobby in the US. They won that ruling recently on a state level about the male-only draft being unconstitutional, and a few cases about women only groups, funds and so on, being illegal. They take cases on occasion. Probably wouldn't want to take this one tbh due to the malicious liars in the press and how they'd report it while omitting important details to attack the NCFM and the MRM, but I can't speak for them obviously. I think they might be civil lawyers rather than criminal though.

Ah, well, it would be nice if some group were to take this case all the way to SCOTUS if need be.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:54 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:It's a fairly common outcome for these kind of cases that the boy is prosecuted, and yes it's an example of institutional misandry. IMO, he'd be well served if he contacted the NCFM and for them to argue this on a civil rights basis. The sex offenders registry is not fit for purpose and should be scrapped in favor of a need-to-know registry of people who have used a position of authority to exploit vulnerable people, viewable only by institutions who care for those people.

Sure it was just because he was a boy and not because he sent an unsolicited picture and continued to solit pictures despite resistence?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:55 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Sex ed really needs to be ramped up for this kind of thing. Sending nudes while under the age of consent is a crime.


You act like you can stop it lol
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Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:It's a fairly common outcome for these kind of cases that the boy is prosecuted, and yes it's an example of institutional misandry. IMO, he'd be well served if he contacted the NCFM and for them to argue this on a civil rights basis. The sex offenders registry is not fit for purpose and should be scrapped in favor of a need-to-know registry of people who have used a position of authority to exploit vulnerable people, viewable only by institutions who care for those people.

Sure it was just because he was a boy and not because he sent an unsolicited picture and continued to solit pictures despite resistence?

Why was the girl charged with nothing then? She sent nude photos as well.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:56 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Sex ed really needs to be ramped up for this kind of thing. Sending nudes while under the age of consent is a crime.


Criminalizing children exploring their sexuality with other children is a ridiculous thing to do. You may as well go join the folk frothing at the mouth over giving condoms to underage kids being "facilitating child sex" or whatever.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:56 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Sex ed really needs to be ramped up for this kind of thing. Sending nudes while under the age of consent is a crime.


You act like you can stop it lol


You can't. But at least then kids won't be surprised when they end up in court for it.

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You act like you can stop it lol


You can't. But at least then kids won't be surprised when they end up in court for it.

Honestly, why should they end up in court for it?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:57 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You act like you can stop it lol


You can't. But at least then kids won't be surprised when they end up in court for it.


Or, you know, you could maybe not send teens to court for exploring their sexuality with each other?
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:58 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Sex ed really needs to be ramped up for this kind of thing. Sending nudes while under the age of consent is a crime.

The law should be changed so that those who are under the age of consent but are sending nudies to eachother don’t get shit canned.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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You can't. But at least then kids won't be surprised when they end up in court for it.


Or, you know, you could maybe not send teens to court for exploring their sexuality with each other?

Sounds too reasonable.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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You can't. But at least then kids won't be surprised when they end up in court for it.


Or, you know, you could maybe not send teens to court for exploring their sexuality with each other?


Good luck with getting that law change through.

I might not like it but it's what it is. Educate the kids before this happens to them.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:01 pm

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Or, you know, you could maybe not send teens to court for exploring their sexuality with each other?


Good luck with getting that law change through.

I might not like it but it's what it is. Educate the kids before this happens to them.

Your cynicism is not an argument. There is no reason why efforts shouldn't be made to rectify this sort of shit.
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Fartsniffage wrote:
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Or, you know, you could maybe not send teens to court for exploring their sexuality with each other?


Good luck with getting that law change through.

I might not like it but it's what it is. Educate the kids before this happens to them.


You just need to deal with the fanatics on either side of the aisle to get it done. Currently both political factions are under siege by sex-negative types. You can just denounce the other side and ram through the change when one of them is cleansed of it and in power.
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Nova Cyberia wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Sure it was just because he was a boy and not because he sent an unsolicited picture and continued to solit pictures despite resistence?

Why was the girl charged with nothing then? She sent nude photos as well.


I dunno, maybe because charging an underage girl who was pressured for nude pics until she sent one would be like charging a pedophile's victim who was groomed for years? Just thinking out loud here.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:03 pm

This is the sort of law that gets passed when legislators have a preconceived notion of the United States being a Christian nation and "Think of the children" is used as outrage. Puritannical laws become par for the course.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:04 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Good luck with getting that law change through.

I might not like it but it's what it is. Educate the kids before this happens to them.

Your cynicism is not an argument. There is no reason why efforts shouldn't be made to rectify this sort of shit.


How do you write a law that allows for the creation of child pornography and then it's transmission without opening up huge loopholes? Just teach kids not to do it. Play doctors and nurses instead.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:04 pm

Yeah well, on the flip side..

The 16-year-old girl was visibly intoxicated, her speech slurred, when a drunk 16-year-old boy sexually assaulted her in a dark basement during an alcohol-fueled pajama party in New Jersey, prosecutors said.

The boy filmed himself penetrating her from behind, her torso exposed, her head hanging down, prosecutors said. He later shared the cellphone video among friends, investigators said, and sent a text that said, “When your first time having sex was rape.”

But a family court judge said it wasn’t rape. Instead, he wondered aloud if it was sexual assault, defining rape as something reserved for an attack at gunpoint by strangers.

He also said the young man came from a good family, attended an excellent school, had terrific grades and was an Eagle scout. Prosecutors, the judge said, should have explained to the girl and her family that pressing charges would destroy the boy’s life.


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US-SSR wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Why was the girl charged with nothing then? She sent nude photos as well.


I dunno, maybe because charging an underage girl who was pressured for nude pics until she sent one would be like charging a pedophile's victim who was groomed for years? Just thinking out loud here.

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