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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:16 am

Rojava Free State wrote:In trump america, any and all criticism of the president is a heinous offense. Donald Trump is defending American freedom by taking away freedoms

In other words, I wish we could make George orwell fiction again


What? I mean really?
Clearly you have very little understanding of the US.
First of all this happened in Canada. Second of all Trump is criticized pretty much constantly.

This is nothing like 1984, you probably should re read that book. (Also Orwell wrote non fiction too).
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:19 am

I take it that he did this while off hours? If so, then yeah, it sucks that he was fired over this.
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Postby Hirota » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:20 am

Kowani wrote:Personally, I find it interesting how the normal “Free Speech Crowd” is completely silent on this issue. As for the actual firing, I’m surprised that this happened in Canada, but that’s business.
I'm one of those advocates, and now I know about it, yes I do condemn it.

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Postby Ronevass » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:21 am

Yes, how dare they not present Dear Leader in the best possible light at all times. He's sounding more like a special snowflake who needs his safe echo chambers all the time.

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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:34 am

Ronevass wrote:Yes, how dare they not present Dear Leader in the best possible light at all times. He's sounding more like a special snowflake who needs his safe echo chambers all the time.


Trump had no say in this at all. It was the decision of minor Canadian news company.
And maybe he was not even fired over the cartoon.
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Postby Ronevass » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:42 am

Novus America wrote:
Ronevass wrote:Yes, how dare they not present Dear Leader in the best possible light at all times. He's sounding more like a special snowflake who needs his safe echo chambers all the time.


Trump had no say in this at all. It was the decision of minor Canadian news company.
And maybe he was not even fired over the cartoon.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with the Trumpist leanings of the bosses. :roll:

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Postby Dangine » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:45 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:Source

Tl;dr:
A publishing company in New Brunswick, Canada, has terminated its contract with cartoonist Michael de Adder after a drawing he did of President Donald Trump standing over the bodies of two drowned migrants went viral on social media


Of course, they’re denying it had anything to do with the cartoon.

Personally, I find it interesting how the normal “Free Speech Crowd” is completely silent on this issue. As for the actual firing, I’m surprised that this happened in Canada, but that’s business.

I remember seeing this being talked about on Secular Talk. I condemn this, as one should not be punished for criticizing a head of state.

Eh, a fellow Secular Talk fan!
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:48 am

Dangine wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I remember seeing this being talked about on Secular Talk. I condemn this, as one should not be punished for criticizing a head of state.

Eh, a fellow Secular Talk fan!

I'm not a fan per se. He has different political views than I do.
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Postby Dangine » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:55 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Dangine wrote:Eh, a fellow Secular Talk fan!

I'm not a fan per se. He has different political views than I do.

Well it's nice to see someone who knows who is is. I wouldn't say he is a small YouTuber but I don't know much people that know about him.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:58 am

Ronevass wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Trump had no say in this at all. It was the decision of minor Canadian news company.
And maybe he was not even fired over the cartoon.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with the Trumpist leanings of the bosses. :roll:


It might. It might be for another reason. Regardless Trump did not do anything here.
I doubt Trump even knows this company exists.
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Postby Arcadian States and Commonwealths » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:19 am

Rojava Free State wrote:In trump america, any and all criticism of the president is a heinous offense. Donald Trump is defending American freedom by taking away freedoms

In other words, I wish we could make George orwell fiction again

Nice try,this happened in Canada
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Postby Ronevass » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:27 am

Novus America wrote:
Ronevass wrote:I'm sure this has nothing to do with the Trumpist leanings of the bosses. :roll:


It might. It might be for another reason. Regardless Trump did not do anything here.
I doubt Trump even knows this company exists.

I doubt it was for any other reason than to protect Dear Leader from criticism. Canada does have Trumpists, you know.

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Postby Ronevass » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:28 am

Arcadian States and Commonwealths wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:In trump america, any and all criticism of the president is a heinous offense. Donald Trump is defending American freedom by taking away freedoms

In other words, I wish we could make George orwell fiction again

Nice try,this happened in Canada

Canada has to bow and capitulate to Trumpist America, lest they be "liberated".

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Postby The Grims » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:29 am

Firing him was justified. Trump would never ask permission before playing through. Such a dishonest representation of a president is damaging.

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Postby Otira » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:33 am

Rojava Free State wrote:In trump america, any and all criticism of the president is a heinous offense. Donald Trump is defending American freedom by taking away freedoms

In other words, I wish we could make George orwell fiction again

lol I'm sure there are people who unironically believe this.

Then I listen to American media and I'm reminded how hated Trump is by them and how a day can't pass without criticism of him. :lol:

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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:33 am

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Arcadian States and Commonwealths wrote:Nice try,this happened in Canada

Canada has to bow and capitulate to Trumpist America, lest they be "liberated".


Well clearly you are not even trying to be serious.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:36 am

The company that owns the newspaper is known to be right in their political leanings and don't want anyone bad mouthing Trump, Scheer, etc., so, no surprise they were canned. It's not about capitulating anything to Trump, they just want to stay on friendly terms with him and his administration, since the glorious president is known to fly off the handle over the slightest insult, so, God forbid this cartoonist continues with his work. It's wrong, but hardly surprising.
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Postby Ronevass » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:37 am

Novus America wrote:
Ronevass wrote:Canada has to bow and capitulate to Trumpist America, lest they be "liberated".


Well clearly you are not even trying to be serious.

It's a bit hyperbolic but the premise is still true. Canada occupies a submissive role to her hyper-aggressive and violent neighbor.

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:39 am

Ronevass wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well clearly you are not even trying to be serious.

It's a bit hyperbolic but the premise is still true. Canada occupies a submissive role to her hyper-aggressive and violent neighbor.


We stand up to the States where we can, in say trade disputes at the WTO and so on, but otherwise our relationship generally isn't that abrasive. Another example, we were asked to contribute to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Prime Minister Chretien flat out told GW Bush: no. And that was a brilliant move.
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Postby Ronevass » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:44 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Ronevass wrote:It's a bit hyperbolic but the premise is still true. Canada occupies a submissive role to her hyper-aggressive and violent neighbor.


We stand up to the States where we can, in say trade disputes at the WTO and so on, but otherwise our relationship generally isn't that abrasive. Another example, we were asked to contribute to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Prime Minister Chretien flat out told GW Bush: no. And that was a brilliant move.

That was pre-Trumpistan.

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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:04 pm

Ronevass wrote:
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Well clearly you are not even trying to be serious.

It's a bit hyperbolic but the premise is still true. Canada occupies a submissive role to her hyper-aggressive and violent neighbor.


More than a bit hyperbolic. Extremely hyperbolic.
Canadians criticize Trump all the time. And the US government made no mention of this.

Some private very insignificant right leaning, private news organization stopping the publication of one cartoonist for disputed reasons is not because the US is threatening Canada or anything.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:09 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Ronevass wrote:It's a bit hyperbolic but the premise is still true. Canada occupies a submissive role to her hyper-aggressive and violent neighbor.


We stand up to the States where we can, in say trade disputes at the WTO and so on, but otherwise our relationship generally isn't that abrasive. Another example, we were asked to contribute to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Prime Minister Chretien flat out told GW Bush: no. And that was a brilliant move.


And then you got Stephen Harper who essentially governed Canada like it was a bushist vassal and even continued to do so after Bush was gone. Even more brilliant.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:28 pm

Kowani wrote:Personally, I find it interesting how the normal “Free Speech Crowd” is completely silent on this issue.


Probably because this is the first I'm hearing of it. It's Canadian news ffs.
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:03 pm

You know, they could clear this up straight away by giving a reason why he was terminated...otherwise, there's no getting around the optics that make it look like it was politically motivated.

If that's the case that it was politically motivated, this bullshit where people are persecuted for their political views via attacking their employment needs to stop; all that does is create a chilling effect on free speech where everyone is intimidated and walking on eggshells to avoid setting off the wrong person. Political cartoons are supposed to be controversial and thought provoking, even offensive at times to stimulate debate and bring attention to issues.
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Postby Tekania » Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:29 pm

Vetalia wrote:You know, they could clear this up straight away by giving a reason why he was terminated...otherwise, there's no getting around the optics that make it look like it was politically motivated.

If that's the case that it was politically motivated, this bullshit where people are persecuted for their political views via attacking their employment needs to stop; all that does is create a chilling effect on free speech where everyone is intimidated and walking on eggshells to avoid setting off the wrong person. Political cartoons are supposed to be controversial and thought provoking, even offensive at times to stimulate debate and bring attention to issues.


Why would they need to clear it up? What benefit is it to them?

It also needs to be noted that this guy technically was not terminated from employment. He (as a business entity) had a contract with the company in question. He is self-employed and the company used his services through contract with his business entity. The company in this case terminated the contract of services with his entity. Being an independent contractor and being an employee are different, legally speaking. But being an independent contractor has benefits in other ways especially in creative sense as you have more control over you own invention, as being under employment tends to make most of the work you do the product of the company rather than you personally.
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