China Separating Kids from their Parents

[Jolthig]

Which has what relevance to this thread exactly?

To derail the thread in order to get people to give up talking about how the PRC is taking kids away from their parents in order to raise them up to become Han supersoldiers or something.

That's not how NSG works.

*edit: thought you were that guy, but eh, still. To him

[Ninrasia]

See we live in reality though. The US and UK are powers known to lie about and cheat third world and periphery countries. The concept of whataboutism is just an admission you don't care. "Both sides are bad" is useless to anyone with sincere political convictions.

Which has what relevance to this thread exactly?

Reading through what I've previously wrote it is justifying the point that the west should stop accusing China of things it does everyday.

[Novus America]

The west doing bad things is no defense for PRC actions.
Surely you realize if you are on trial for murder, that saying “but other people commit murder too” is not a defense at all. It is just admitting to being guilty.

See we live in reality though. The US and UK are powers known to lie about and cheat third world and periphery countries. The concept of whataboutism is just an admission you don't care. "Both sides are bad" is useless to anyone with sincere political convictions.

What? More than one party can be wrong.
One party being wrong does not make another party better.
Again try that if you are accused of a crime. “But other people do it too” is literally just admitting you are guilty. You are getting convicted regardless of crimes of others.

By what you are saying we could never criticize anyone while hypocritically selectively criticizing groups you dislike!

[Jolthig]

Which has what relevance to this thread exactly?

Reading through what I've previously wrote it is justifying the point that the west should stop accusing China of things it does everyday.

So let me get this straight. You think people in here are somehow hypocritical despite the fact they don't support the dishonesty of any country?

[Fartsniffage]

The west doing bad things is no defense for PRC actions.
Surely you realize if you are on trial for murder, that saying “but other people commit murder too” is not a defense at all. It is just admitting to being guilty.

See we live in reality though. The US and UK are powers known to lie about and cheat third world and periphery countries. The concept of whataboutism is just an admission you don't care. "Both sides are bad" is useless to anyone with sincere political convictions.

The UK? We can barely govern ourselves at the moment. Leave us out of this.

[Novus America]

See we live in reality though. The US and UK are powers known to lie about and cheat third world and periphery countries. The concept of whataboutism is just an admission you don't care. "Both sides are bad" is useless to anyone with sincere political convictions.

Which has what relevance to this thread exactly?

It is classic Soviet style whataboutism. Try to derail an argument by bringing up misdeeds of others.

[Ninrasia]

See we live in reality though. The US and UK are powers known to lie about and cheat third world and periphery countries. The concept of whataboutism is just an admission you don't care. "Both sides are bad" is useless to anyone with sincere political convictions.

What? More than one party can be wrong.
One party being wrong does not make another party better.
Again try that if you are accused of a crime. “But other people do it too” is literally just admitting you are guilty. You are getting convicted regardless of crimes of others.

By what you are saying we could never criticize anyone while hypocritically selectively criticizing groups you dislike!

"Both sides are bad"ing the issue is ineffective ideology.

[New Legland]

For those who didn't bother to read the article, this video does a great job covering the topic.

[Ninrasia]

See we live in reality though. The US and UK are powers known to lie about and cheat third world and periphery countries. The concept of whataboutism is just an admission you don't care. "Both sides are bad" is useless to anyone with sincere political convictions.

The UK? We can barely govern ourselves at the moment. Leave us out of this.

This absolute dodge of the UK's role in the destruction of lives and governments in the middle east is irresponsible.

[Novus America]

What? More than one party can be wrong.
One party being wrong does not make another party better.
Again try that if you are accused of a crime. “But other people do it too” is literally just admitting you are guilty. You are getting convicted regardless of crimes of others.

By what you are saying we could never criticize anyone while hypocritically selectively criticizing groups you dislike!

"Both sides are bad"ing the issue is ineffective ideology.

Way to not address any of my arguments.
And if you are saying you have to pick one side and blindly support it, then why not take the side against the PRC?

[Dasko]

Which has what relevance to this thread exactly?

Reading through what I've previously wrote it is justifying the point that the west should stop accusing China of things it does everyday.

Quite frankly, the West, though spotted in its international record, has realized the error of pulling off what I'll call "cultural genocide" (or assimilation). Countries that have done so, like Canada, have worked to right their wrongs (albeit in a more wiggly path). China has not righted its wrongs and continues to commit them.
The West may have problems, but they are nowhere near the scale of China's.

[Novus America]

The UK? We can barely govern ourselves at the moment. Leave us out of this.

This absolute dodge of the UK's role in the destruction of lives and governments in the middle east is irresponsible.

That has nothing to do with the thread! How would that make PRC actions good?

[Fartsniffage]

This absolute dodge of the UK's role in the destruction of lives and governments in the middle east is irresponsible.

That has nothing to do with the thread! How would that make PRC actions good?

The PRC is upset with the UK because our foreign secretary asked them to allow legal protests in Hong Kong. It's a thing at the moment.

[Ninrasia]

Reading through what I've previously wrote it is justifying the point that the west should stop accusing China of things it does everyday.

Reading through what I've previously wrote it is justifying the point that the west should stop accusing China of things it does everyday.

Quite frankly, the West, though spotted in its international record, has realized the error of pulling off what I'll call "cultural genocide" (or assimilation). Countries that have done so, like Canada, have worked to right their wrongs (albeit in a more wiggly path). China has not righted its wrongs and continues to commit them.
The West may have problems, but they are nowhere near the scale of China's.[/quote]

America and Canada are still actively committing cultural genocide of indigenous and first nations peoples. They support the genocide of Palestinians and Assyrians. The west breaks the scale when it comes to bloody mindless atrocities.

[Cappuccina]

Reading through what I've previously wrote it is justifying the point that the west should stop accusing China of things it does everyday.

Quite frankly, the West, though spotted in its international record, has realized the error of pulling off what I'll call "cultural genocide" (or assimilation). Countries that have done so, like Canada, have worked to right their wrongs (albeit in a more wiggly path). China has not righted its wrongs and continues to commit them.
The West may have problems, but they are nowhere near the scale of China's.

China is merely more outright with it's intent, western nations are more insidious.

China would be wise to cease this nonsense, the Ummah's revenge will not be merciful.

[Chernoslavia]

The UN's Convention of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines it as such:

Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Well then. Hopefully something will come of this from the international community.

Yeah, jack shit.

[Necroghastia]

Which has what relevance to this thread exactly?

Reading through what I've previously wrote it is justifying the point that the west should stop accusing China of things it does everyday.

Are you saying we should ignore that China is conducting a genocide?

[Ninrasia]

Reading through what I've previously wrote it is justifying the point that the west should stop accusing China of things it does everyday.

Are you saying we should ignore that China is conducting a genocide?

I'm saying the west's mindless accusations are based in malevolent nonsense. The entire content of the article above is making building schools out into some insidious act of grand evil. When a third world country uplifts the lives of its people without the guiding hand of a Euroamerican "white man's burden" it is always something evil. Meanwhile America and Canada are putting indigenous babies in the hands of settlers.

[Dasko]

Quite frankly, the West, though spotted in its international record, has realized the error of pulling off what I'll call "cultural genocide" (or assimilation). Countries that have done so, like Canada, have worked to right their wrongs (albeit in a more wiggly path). China has not righted its wrongs and continues to commit them.
The West may have problems, but they are nowhere near the scale of China's.

America and Canada are still actively committing cultural genocide of indigenous and first nations peoples. They support the genocide of Palestinians and Assyrians. The west breaks the scale when it comes to bloody mindless atrocities.

(These quotes are difficult eh? )
Anyways...
Absolutely, Canada still has problems regarding First Nations. But, what is important to realize is that we are taking steps to address their grievances. We have stopped sending them to residential schools; we've disbanded them in fact. We educate the young on our past atrocities. But most importantly, we recognize that chapter of Canadian history is shameful.
China has done nothing of the sort, insisting it is for "reeducation" and "vocational training." I understand it is frustrating that the West has committed such and act like hypocrites, yet this gives no excuse for China to commit such. If China strives to be better than the West, it must stop violating human rights. For all the talk about the West's failings, China is acting just like the West. China cannot use the West's atrocities to pull up a "smokescreen" and hide its own atrocities or dismiss them. It cannot take children from families for their malevolent purposes.

*I'm quite sure that we are not funding groups that commit such atrocities, although I do recognize that the West has done horrible things in the past.

[Fartsniffage]

Are you saying we should ignore that China is conducting a genocide?

I'm saying the west's mindless accusations are based in malevolent nonsense. The entire content of the article above is making building schools out into some insidious act of grand evil. When a third world country uplifts the lives of its people without the guiding hand of a Euroamerican "white man's burden" it is always something evil. Meanwhile America and Canada are putting indigenous babies in the hands of settlers.

You think it's okay to take children away from their parents without their consent to put them in these schools?

[Ninrasia]

America and Canada are still actively committing cultural genocide of indigenous and first nations peoples. They support the genocide of Palestinians and Assyrians. The west breaks the scale when it comes to bloody mindless atrocities.

(These quotes are difficult eh? )
Anyways...
Absolutely, Canada still has problems regarding First Nations. But, what is important to realize is that we are taking steps to address their grievances. We have stopped sending them to residential schools; we've disbanded them in fact. We educate the young on our past atrocities. But most importantly, we recognize that chapter of Canadian history is shameful.
China has done nothing of the sort, instead saying it is for "reeducation" and "vocational training." I understand it is frustrating that the West has committed such and act like hypocrites, yet this gives no excuse for China to commit such. If China strives to be better than the West, it must stop violating human rights. For all the talk about the West's failings, China is acting just like the West. China cannot use the West's atrocities to pull up a "smokescreen" and hide its own atrocities or dismiss them. China must understand that its human rights' violations are nowhere near the scale of the Western World's.

*I'm quite sure that we are not funding groups that commit such atrocities, although I do recognize that the West has done horrible things in the past.

Then acknowledge indigenous sovereignty over their land and stop building pipelines.

[Ninrasia]

I'm saying the west's mindless accusations are based in malevolent nonsense. The entire content of the article above is making building schools out into some insidious act of grand evil. When a third world country uplifts the lives of its people without the guiding hand of a Euroamerican "white man's burden" it is always something evil. Meanwhile America and Canada are putting indigenous babies in the hands of settlers.

You think it's okay to take children away from their parents without their consent to put them in these schools?

I'm saying this article is a grand pile of half-truths. After Iraq I'd think y'all would've questioned this kind of nonsense more.

[Thermodolia]

The UN's Convention of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines it as such:

Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Well then. Hopefully something will come of this from the international community.

Hahaha. That’s funny

[Necroghastia]

Are you saying we should ignore that China is conducting a genocide?

I'm saying the west's mindless accusations are based in malevolent nonsense. The entire content of the article above is making building schools out into some insidious act of grand evil. When a third world country uplifts the lives of its people without the guiding hand of a Euroamerican "white man's burden" it is always something evil. Meanwhile America and Canada are putting indigenous babies in the hands of settlers.

It's a yes or no question.

[Necroghastia]

The UN's Convention of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines it as such:



Well then. Hopefully something will come of this from the international community.

Hahaha. That’s funny

I know that realistically, but a gal can hope.