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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
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No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:01 pm

Neo Kerala wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
That's for another thread. There are calls for a new fairy nation.

Where? Albania?


This is a very good question

Why do you say Albania?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:28 pm

I’m surprised no one suggested an alternate system where instead of meals being entitled... the prisoners could earn special meal voucher points for holidays

So long as the labour conditions were sound and it was voluntary, it could incentivize some productivity

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:38 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I’m surprised no one suggested an alternate system where instead of meals being entitled... the prisoners could earn special meal voucher points for holidays

So long as the labour conditions were sound and it was voluntary, it could incentivize some productivity

I don't know why you're surprised that nobody suggested this when you're asking us about a prisoner being held in solitary confinement. What do you think she's going to be productive at? Ageing?
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:49 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I’m surprised no one suggested an alternate system where instead of meals being entitled... the prisoners could earn special meal voucher points for holidays

So long as the labour conditions were sound and it was voluntary, it could incentivize some productivity


Fuhrerin Hofstadt did nothing wrong so her imprisonment is unjust prima facie. The Faeries deserved to die and my only regret is that I could not serve my Fuhrerin further before the weight of history forced myself and others to flee to Magical Argentina.

Heil Hofstadt!
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:12 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I’m surprised no one suggested an alternate system where instead of meals being entitled... the prisoners could earn special meal voucher points for holidays

So long as the labour conditions were sound and it was voluntary, it could incentivize some productivity

I don't know why you're surprised that nobody suggested this when you're asking us about a prisoner being held in solitary confinement. What do you think she's going to be productive at? Ageing?


Assuming they made some specialized craft scissors (so the end can't be used to stab) and took the precautions, she could cut up some children's craft (prep work) for education classes throughout Europe

the prison would just need to make sure there's a procedure in place to make sure the scissors are safe

or knitting might be more standard

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:25 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I’m surprised no one suggested an alternate system where instead of meals being entitled... the prisoners could earn special meal voucher points for holidays

So long as the labour conditions were sound and it was voluntary, it could incentivize some productivity


Fuhrerin Hofstadt did nothing wrong so her imprisonment is unjust prima facie. The Faeries deserved to die and my only regret is that I could not serve my Fuhrerin further before the weight of history forced myself and others to flee to Magical Argentina.

Heil Hofstadt!


Indeed, her supporters (scattered across the world) consider her imprisonment an injustice

they view the Order of Mages as traitors to all magic users (for upholding the conservative order run by the Kingdoms)

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Postby Neo Kerala » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:33 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Neo Kerala wrote:Where? Albania?


This is a very good question

Why do you say Albania?

Random thought.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:44 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Fuhrerin Hofstadt did nothing wrong so her imprisonment is unjust prima facie. The Faeries deserved to die and my only regret is that I could not serve my Fuhrerin further before the weight of history forced myself and others to flee to Magical Argentina.

Heil Hofstadt!


Indeed, her supporters (scattered across the world) consider her imprisonment an injustice

they view the Order of Mages as traitors to all magic users (for upholding the conservative order run by the Kingdoms)

Is it the order of Magic or the order of Mages?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:12 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Indeed, her supporters (scattered across the world) consider her imprisonment an injustice

they view the Order of Mages as traitors to all magic users (for upholding the conservative order run by the Kingdoms)

Is it the order of Magic or the order of Mages?


I have not yet decided/finalized on a completely formalistic title

however, its referred to in general as "the Order," can be "the Order of Mages" or "the Order of Magic"

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:13 pm

Neo Kerala wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This is a very good question

Why do you say Albania?

Random thought.


due to fairies being Germanic/British/Norse legend, the homeland would likely have to be somewhere in northern Europe
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:18 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Fuhrerin Hofstadt did nothing wrong so her imprisonment is unjust prima facie. The Faeries deserved to die and my only regret is that I could not serve my Fuhrerin further before the weight of history forced myself and others to flee to Magical Argentina.

Heil Hofstadt!


Indeed, her supporters (scattered across the world) consider her imprisonment an injustice

they view the Order of Mages as traitors to all magic users (for upholding the conservative order run by the Kingdoms)

And you say my kill all witches idea is a bad one.

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Indeed, her supporters (scattered across the world) consider her imprisonment an injustice

they view the Order of Mages as traitors to all magic users (for upholding the conservative order run by the Kingdoms)

Is it the order of Magic or the order of Mages?

Order of Morons.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:28 pm

Isn't that a drawing of HIstoria?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:38 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Isn't that a drawing of HIstoria?


Good catch

yeah I used her as a drawing reference for it

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:54 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Indeed, her supporters (scattered across the world) consider her imprisonment an injustice

they view the Order of Mages as traitors to all magic users (for upholding the conservative order run by the Kingdoms)

And you say my kill all witches idea is a bad one.


i thought you condemned genocide

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:And you say my kill all witches idea is a bad one.


i thought you condemned genocide

I've been over this like seven times now. You wanted her to be a victim, the only way that works is magic has to be to blame. Now you're telling me that her support network and supporters weren't all sent to jail/killed?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:59 pm

Heloin wrote:
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i thought you condemned genocide

I've been over this like seven times now. You wanted her to be a victim, the only way that works is magic has to be to blame. Now you're telling me that her support network and supporters weren't all sent to jail/killed?


Some of them are still in hiding in Europe. Some have fled to Africa or the Middle East.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:01 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:I've been over this like seven times now. You wanted her to be a victim, the only way that works is magic has to be to blame. Now you're telling me that her support network and supporters weren't all sent to jail/killed?


Some of them are still in hiding in Europe. Some have fled to Africa or the Middle East.

So.....I take it like the stories about some Nazi supporters who went to South America after Germany's defeat at WW2?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:03 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Some of them are still in hiding in Europe. Some have fled to Africa or the Middle East.

So.....I take it like the stories about some Nazi supporters who went to South America after Germany's defeat at WW2?


sort of

but they present no political threat at the moment (and they are all obviously Wanted)

without the Relics, they don't have enough people to create an army to challenge the Alliance (and they are leaderless)

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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:08 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:So.....I take it like the stories about some Nazi supporters who went to South America after Germany's defeat at WW2?


sort of

but they present no political threat at the moment (and they are all obviously Wanted)

without the Relics, they don't have enough people to create an army to challenge the Alliance (and they are leaderless)

They exist. They are a threat. Kill them all.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:19 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
sort of

but they present no political threat at the moment (and they are all obviously Wanted)

without the Relics, they don't have enough people to create an army to challenge the Alliance (and they are leaderless)

They exist. They are a threat. Kill them all.


there's already an effort by the Order and Alliance nations to hunt them down

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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:20 am

Vetalia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I’m surprised no one suggested an alternate system where instead of meals being entitled... the prisoners could earn special meal voucher points for holidays

So long as the labour conditions were sound and it was voluntary, it could incentivize some productivity


Fuhrerin Hofstadt did nothing wrong so her imprisonment is unjust prima facie. The Faeries deserved to die and my only regret is that I could not serve my Fuhrerin further before the weight of history forced myself and others to flee to Magical Argentina.

Heil Hofstadt!

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:48 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Fuhrerin Hofstadt did nothing wrong so her imprisonment is unjust prima facie. The Faeries deserved to die and my only regret is that I could not serve my Fuhrerin further before the weight of history forced myself and others to flee to Magical Argentina.

Heil Hofstadt!

[x] founded 2005
[x] in Gholgoth

Silence, fossil.


2005

They go a long way back.

I'm impressed.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:18 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't know why you're surprised that nobody suggested this when you're asking us about a prisoner being held in solitary confinement. What do you think she's going to be productive at? Ageing?


Assuming they made some specialized craft scissors (so the end can't be used to stab) and took the precautions, she could cut up some children's craft (prep work) for education classes throughout Europe

the prison would just need to make sure there's a procedure in place to make sure the scissors are safe

or knitting might be more standard

Yes, give the most dangerous prisoner in a secret prison a weapon so she can make children's crafts. Definitely a good idea. So weird that nobody else thought of doing this.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Assuming they made some specialized craft scissors (so the end can't be used to stab) and took the precautions, she could cut up some children's craft (prep work) for education classes throughout Europe

the prison would just need to make sure there's a procedure in place to make sure the scissors are safe

or knitting might be more standard

Yes, give the most dangerous prisoner in a secret prison a weapon so she can make children's crafts. Definitely a good idea. So weird that nobody else thought of doing this.


Just tell her to put the scissors down every time the guards enter so they can safely collect.

The scissors would obviously be very blunted at the tip and the blade only sharp enough to cut the paper.

She'll cooperate because she'd want the points.

They just need to keep track of one scissors and be careful when handing it to her and collecting it from her. There would be a procedure for her to pick it up and throw it down every time.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:29 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes, give the most dangerous prisoner in a secret prison a weapon so she can make children's crafts. Definitely a good idea. So weird that nobody else thought of doing this.


Just tell her to put the scissors down every time the guards enter so they can safely collect.

The scissors would obviously be very blunted at the tip and the blade only sharp enough to cut the paper.

She'll cooperate because she'd want the points.

They just need to keep track of one scissors and be careful when handing it to her and collecting it from her. There would be a procedure for her to pick it up and throw it down every time.

Or the situation can entirely be avoided by not allowing her to have scissors in the first place.
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