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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
68
65%
No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
37
35%
 
Total votes : 105

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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:24 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
what about Witch Annie's good behaviour over the year?

"Broken" =/= good behaviour. If I break someone's spirit it'd be asinine to claim that they are behaving themselves.


Still, I think it should be factored in that she's been cooperating with the prison and has cooperated with the Order and the state's efforts to study and understand her and to get information from her.

You are correct that when she first got in the Glass Box she was a lot more combative. However, she has resigned herself to her fate and has stopped giving the authorities trouble.

This should be considered in whether or not to grant the Christmas meal.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:25 pm

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Free Arabian Nation wrote:Fuck no


well at least with regards to royalty

Buddy, if we're talking royalty, then there were more executions during the Sumerians to the French Revolution than in all of Iranian History (post-coup), Saudi History, and North Korean history combined
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:27 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:"Broken" =/= good behaviour. If I break someone's spirit it'd be asinine to claim that they are behaving themselves.


Still, I think it should be factored in that she's been cooperating with the prison and has cooperated with the Order and the state's efforts to study and understand her and to get information from her.

You are correct that when she first got in the Glass Box she was a lot more combative. However, she has resigned herself to her fate and has stopped giving the authorities trouble.

This should be considered in whether or not to grant the Christmas meal.

It was considered irrelevant.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:43 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Still, I think it should be factored in that she's been cooperating with the prison and has cooperated with the Order and the state's efforts to study and understand her and to get information from her.

You are correct that when she first got in the Glass Box she was a lot more combative. However, she has resigned herself to her fate and has stopped giving the authorities trouble.

This should be considered in whether or not to grant the Christmas meal.

It was considered irrelevant.


but I'm sure lots of people who voted Yes factored that in right?

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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:47 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:It was considered irrelevant.


but I'm sure lots of people who voted Yes factored that in right?

Am I a mind reader? Fuck if I know.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:53 pm

El-Amin and I pointed out that these threads are useless as acting like some sort of gauge for human psychology a few days ago. But the bigger question these threads keep bringing me too is, "Why the hell do you so want us to like or sympathise with Witch Hitler?"

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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:06 pm

Heloin wrote:El-Amin and I pointed out that these threads are useless as acting like some sort of gauge for human psychology a few days ago. But the bigger question these threads keep bringing me too is, "Why the hell do you so want us to like or sympathise with Witch Hitler?"

Exactly!
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:11 pm

Heloin wrote:El-Amin and I pointed out that these threads are useless as acting like some sort of gauge for human psychology a few days ago. But the bigger question these threads keep bringing me too is, "Why the hell do you so want us to like or sympathise with Witch Hitler?"


I believe that most people can be helped and understood

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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:16 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:El-Amin and I pointed out that these threads are useless as acting like some sort of gauge for human psychology a few days ago. But the bigger question these threads keep bringing me too is, "Why the hell do you so want us to like or sympathise with Witch Hitler?"


I believe that most people can be helped and understood

It is not possible to understand the mindset of a person who willingly goes out and slaughters millions of innocent civilians -- simply for being different to themselves.

It's not possible to sympathise with a person that can look at men, women and children and decide to kill them -- simply for possessing different characteristics.

When you ask us to pity her, you ask something impossible.

My pity -- and probably that of most in the thread -- is for the victims, cut down by a ruthless, genocidal ideologue.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:03 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I believe that most people can be helped and understood

It is not possible to understand the mindset of a person who willingly goes out and slaughters millions of innocent civilians -- simply for being different to themselves.

It's not possible to sympathise with a person that can look at men, women and children and decide to kill them -- simply for possessing different characteristics.

When you ask us to pity her, you ask something impossible.

My pity -- and probably that of most in the thread -- is for the victims, cut down by a ruthless, genocidal ideologue.


What about the conditions of Annie’s imprisonment?

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Postby ECKU » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:06 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:It is not possible to understand the mindset of a person who willingly goes out and slaughters millions of innocent civilians -- simply for being different to themselves.

It's not possible to sympathise with a person that can look at men, women and children and decide to kill them -- simply for possessing different characteristics.

When you ask us to pity her, you ask something impossible.

My pity -- and probably that of most in the thread -- is for the victims, cut down by a ruthless, genocidal ideologue.


What about the conditions of Annie’s imprisonment?

Her prison should be her grave.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:15 am

ECKU wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What about the conditions of Annie’s imprisonment?

Her prison should be her grave.

That would be a waste of space.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:09 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:It is not possible to understand the mindset of a person who willingly goes out and slaughters millions of innocent civilians -- simply for being different to themselves.

It's not possible to sympathise with a person that can look at men, women and children and decide to kill them -- simply for possessing different characteristics.

When you ask us to pity her, you ask something impossible.

My pity -- and probably that of most in the thread -- is for the victims, cut down by a ruthless, genocidal ideologue.


What about the conditions of Annie’s imprisonment?

Prison? No.

Execution? Yes.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:47 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What about the conditions of Annie’s imprisonment?

Prison? No.

Execution? Yes.


Isn’t there a modern day argument that goes: the state has no right to take a life?

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:49 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Prison? No.

Execution? Yes.


Isn’t there a modern day argument that goes: the state has no right to take a life?

I don't follow that argument. I believe the state, and by-extension the people, has the right to take away the lives of mass murdering shitheads like her
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Postby ECKU » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:48 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Isn’t there a modern day argument that goes: the state has no right to take a life?

I don't follow that argument. I believe the state, and by-extension the people, has the right to take away the lives of mass murdering sh*theads like her

I agree but for different reasons.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:56 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Isn’t there a modern day argument that goes: the state has no right to take a life?

I don't follow that argument. I believe the state, and by-extension the people, has the right to take away the lives of mass murdering shitheads like her


if the state kills her, then the state shows itself to be no better than her

if the state lowers to the level of denying and revoking Christmas meal rights out petty malice, then it does not reflect well on its legitimacy

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Postby ECKU » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:04 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:I don't follow that argument. I believe the state, and by-extension the people, has the right to take away the lives of mass murdering shitheads like her


if the state kills her, then the state shows itself to be no better than her

if the state lowers to the level of denying and revoking Christmas meal rights out petty malice, then it does not reflect well on its legitimacy

Both of these are fat lies, especially - actually, both of them are pretty stupid.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:07 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:I don't follow that argument. I believe the state, and by-extension the people, has the right to take away the lives of mass murdering shitheads like her


if the state kills her, then the state shows itself to be no better than her

if the state lowers to the level of denying and revoking Christmas meal rights out petty malice, then it does not reflect well on its legitimacy

Bullshit enacting justice on a mass murdering piece of shit does not make you as bad as them.

And no this is not ¨petty malice¨ this is punishing a horrible awful piece of shit for their crimes.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:10 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:I don't follow that argument. I believe the state, and by-extension the people, has the right to take away the lives of mass murdering shitheads like her


if the state kills her, then the state shows itself to be no better than her

if the state lowers to the level of denying and revoking Christmas meal rights out petty malice, then it does not reflect well on its legitimacy

Bullshit, you're just trying to make another bad excuse to keep your genocidal waifu alive. It isn't working as this statement, along with many others, is false.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:36 am

Kowani wrote:…You do know what Wolverine did, right?

Have a gruff and sexy look about him?

...oh, that's not what you are talking about. Never mind then...
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:39 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:"Broken" =/= good behaviour. If I break someone's spirit it'd be asinine to claim that they are behaving themselves.


Still, I think it should be factored in that she's been cooperating with the prison and has cooperated with the Order and the state's efforts to study and understand her and to get information from her.

You are correct that when she first got in the Glass Box she was a lot more combative. However, she has resigned herself to her fate and has stopped giving the authorities trouble.

This should be considered in whether or not to grant the Christmas meal.

Nope. If I break someone then they are not behaving themselves, they are just doing what they are being programmed to do.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:41 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:…You do know what Wolverine did, right?

Have a gruff and sexy look about him?

...oh, that's not what you are talking about. Never mind then...

Nightcrawler/Wolverine

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:43 am

Heloin wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Have a gruff and sexy look about him?

...oh, that's not what you are talking about. Never mind then...

Nightcrawler/Wolverine

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Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:49 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Still, I think it should be factored in that she's been cooperating with the prison and has cooperated with the Order and the state's efforts to study and understand her and to get information from her.

You are correct that when she first got in the Glass Box she was a lot more combative. However, she has resigned herself to her fate and has stopped giving the authorities trouble.

This should be considered in whether or not to grant the Christmas meal.

Nope. If I break someone then they are not behaving themselves, they are just doing what they are being programmed to do.


Not necessarily, someone other than Annie might not play ball. And might try to be a constant thorn/threat to the prison staff.

Two individuals thrown into the same situation might behave differently.

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