Christmas: Glass Box Edition

[The Free Joy State]

FTFY.

The best way to understand the Order of Magic is that its a medieval equivalent of the X-Men led by Charles Xavier.

Very liberal in its punishment of criminals, in many ways "ahead" of its time, highly academic, believes in co-existence between those with powers and those without even in the face of hostility and persecution etc; think about the young Charles Xavier (those are the types of people leading it)

Then it all starts to make sense

Can you imagine Charles ordering that mutants they defeat get executed? Absolutely not.

This is why Annie was spared.

So, you're now comparing your genocidal mass-murderess to a band of superheroes?

[Kowani]

FTFY.

The best way to understand the Order of Magic is that its a medieval equivalent of the X-Men led by Charles Xavier.

Very liberal in its punishment of criminals, in many ways "ahead" of its time, highly academic, believes in co-existence between those with powers and those without even in the face of hostility and persecution etc; think about the young Charles Xavier (those are the types of people leading it)

Then it all starts to make sense

Can you imagine Charles ordering that mutants they defeat get executed? Absolutely not.

This is why Annie was spared.

…You do know what Wolverine did, right?

[Heloin]

You’d have seen Riots in the streets of every city.

Imagine if we had captured Hitler, and instead of killing him, gave him life imprisonment. You’d have a revolution on your hands in 2 minutes.

Honestly, I doubt it

There's no precedent for killing him and international law wasn't really a thing until they decided to make it a thing with Nuremberg

When WWI ended the German leaders weren't executed

You're doubts you be wrong.

International Law wasn't a thing? You mean the thing that had existed since the 1850's and really since about the 1820's.

The end of the Great War was an entirely different beast then the end of the Second World War.

[New Tetraland]

It's only July and we are already talking about Christmas?

[Heloin]

It's only July and we are already talking about Christmas?

Christmas in July.

[Free Arabian Nation]

It's only July and we are already talking about Christmas?

Christmas in July.

Land down under intensifies

[Heloin]

Christmas in July.

Land down under intensifies

I still don't understand the idea of it being cold in December tbf

[Free Arabian Nation]

Land down under intensifies

I still don't understand the idea of it being cold in December tbf

I mean, as someone who lives in a area where it's always hot, I don't get it either

[Infected Mushroom]

The best way to understand the Order of Magic is that its a medieval equivalent of the X-Men led by Charles Xavier.

Very liberal in its punishment of criminals, in many ways "ahead" of its time, highly academic, believes in co-existence between those with powers and those without even in the face of hostility and persecution etc; think about the young Charles Xavier (those are the types of people leading it)

Then it all starts to make sense

Can you imagine Charles ordering that mutants they defeat get executed? Absolutely not.

This is why Annie was spared.

So, you're now comparing your genocidal mass-murderess to a band of superheroes?

No the Order of Magic (not Annie)

Annie is more like a Magneto type character except with a greater willingness to kill and less politically astute

[The Free Joy State]

Honestly, I doubt it

There's no precedent for killing him and international law wasn't really a thing until they decided to make it a thing with Nuremberg

When WWI ended the German leaders weren't executed

You're doubts you be wrong.

International Law wasn't a thing? You mean the thing that had existed since the 1850's and really since about the 1820's.

The end of the Great War was an entirely different beast then the end of the Second World War.

True. The Hague Conventions were adopted in 1899 and 1907. The first Geneva Convention was adopted in 1864.

The act of trying to portray international law as a new thing is misinformed at best and disingenuous at worst.

[New Tetraland]

It's only July and we are already talking about Christmas?

Christmas in July.

Will there be cookies?

[Infected Mushroom]

The best way to understand the Order of Magic is that its a medieval equivalent of the X-Men led by Charles Xavier.

Very liberal in its punishment of criminals, in many ways "ahead" of its time, highly academic, believes in co-existence between those with powers and those without even in the face of hostility and persecution etc; think about the young Charles Xavier (those are the types of people leading it)

Then it all starts to make sense

Can you imagine Charles ordering that mutants they defeat get executed? Absolutely not.

This is why Annie was spared.

…You do know what Wolverine did, right?

I have not seen the latest Dark Phoenix movie

However, my understanding is that we don't want to look at Wolverine because he generally acts contrary to Charles' orders/intuitions

We're assuming a Charles-like figure is in complete control of the Order and has surrounded himself with like-minded people at the top

(this is why Annie got fed up with the Order and went rogue)

[Free Arabian Nation]

So, you're now comparing your genocidal mass-murderess to a band of superheroes?

No the Order of Magic (not Annie)

Annie is more like a Magneto type character except with a greater willingness to kill and less politically astute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

[Infected Mushroom]

You're doubts you be wrong.

International Law wasn't a thing? You mean the thing that had existed since the 1850's and really since about the 1820's.

The end of the Great War was an entirely different beast then the end of the Second World War.

True. The Hague Conventions were adopted in 1899 and 1907. The first Geneva Convention was adopted in 1864.

The act of trying to portray international law as a new thing is misinformed at best and disingenuous at worst.

Its never been seriously enforced until then. So there would NOT have been public expectation that it be enforced.

Had they not killed Hitler and had chosen to stick to a No Death Penalty rule, the people wouldn't have rioted.

[Free Arabian Nation]

True. The Hague Conventions were adopted in 1899 and 1907. The first Geneva Convention was adopted in 1864.

The act of trying to portray international law as a new thing is misinformed at best and disingenuous at worst.

Its never been seriously enforced until then. So there would NOT have been public expectation that it be enforced.

Had they not killed Hitler and had chosen to stick to a No Death Penalty rule, the people wouldn't have rioted.

The act of trying to portray international law as a new thing is misinformed at best and disingenuous at worst.

[The Free Joy State]

True. The Hague Conventions were adopted in 1899 and 1907. The first Geneva Convention was adopted in 1864.

The act of trying to portray international law as a new thing is misinformed at best and disingenuous at worst.

Its never been seriously enforced until then. So there would NOT have been public expectation that it be enforced.

Had they not killed Hitler and had chosen to stick to a No Death Penalty rule, the people wouldn't have rioted.

That's possibly one of the most ludicrous remarks I've ever heard.

There was no "No Death Penalty" rule -- whoever told you that was seriously misinformed.

People used to be hanged for one murder, let alone overseeing the mass-murder of 17 million people.

[ECKU]

…You do know what Wolverine did, right?

I have not seen the latest Dark Phoenix movie

However, my understanding is that we don't want to look at Wolverine because he generally acts contrary to Charles' orders/intuitions

We're assuming a Charles-like figure is in complete control of the Order and has surrounded himself with like-minded people at the top

(this is why Annie got fed up with the Order and went rogue)

Wolverine isn't in Dark Phoenix. Also who the heck doesn't like Wolverine?!?!?!

[Kowani]

…You do know what Wolverine did, right?

I have not seen the latest Dark Phoenix movie

However, my understanding is that we don't want to look at Wolverine because he generally acts contrary to Charles' orders/intuitions

We're assuming a Charles-like figure is in complete control of the Order and has surrounded himself with like-minded people at the top

(this is why Annie got fed up with the Order and went rogue)

And you’d still be wrong. Wolverine was definitely the guy you called in if you wanted someone dead, but it’s not like everyone else had clean hands.

True. The Hague Conventions were adopted in 1899 and 1907. The first Geneva Convention was adopted in 1864.

The act of trying to portray international law as a new thing is misinformed at best and disingenuous at worst.

Its never been seriously enforced until then. So there would NOT have been public expectation that it be enforced.

Had they not killed Hitler and had chosen to stick to a No Death Penalty rule, the people wouldn't have rioted.

This is laughably untrue.

[Infected Mushroom]

Its never been seriously enforced until then. So there would NOT have been public expectation that it be enforced.

Had they not killed Hitler and had chosen to stick to a No Death Penalty rule, the people wouldn't have rioted.

That's possibly one of the most ludicrous remarks I've ever heard.

There was no "No Death Penalty" rule -- whoever told you that was seriously misinformed.

People used to be hanged for one murder, let alone overseeing the mass-murder of 17 million people.

weren't leaders of states historically immune from this type of prosecution?

[Free Arabian Nation]

That's possibly one of the most ludicrous remarks I've ever heard.

There was no "No Death Penalty" rule -- whoever told you that was seriously misinformed.

People used to be hanged for one murder, let alone overseeing the mass-murder of 17 million people.

weren't leaders of states historically immune from this type of prosecution?

Fuck no

[Heloin]

True. The Hague Conventions were adopted in 1899 and 1907. The first Geneva Convention was adopted in 1864.

The act of trying to portray international law as a new thing is misinformed at best and disingenuous at worst.

Its never been seriously enforced until then. So there would NOT have been public expectation that it be enforced.

That's utter bullshit and you know it.

Had they not killed Hitler and had chosen to stick to a No Death Penalty rule, the people wouldn't have rioted.

I mentioned it in a previous Witch Hitler thread but I'll state it again. Had Hitler not committed suicide it is doubtful that he would have lived long enough to even see a commanded officer or a Soviet Commissioner. Had he lived that long then the risk of taking him out of Berlin where every person from there to Vladivostok wanted his head on a spike would have seen him killed by mobs long before trail. There was not a living soul in Europe that wasn't also running for there lives for war crimes who didn't want Hitler dead in 1945.

[Kowani]

That's possibly one of the most ludicrous remarks I've ever heard.

There was no "No Death Penalty" rule -- whoever told you that was seriously misinformed.

People used to be hanged for one murder, let alone overseeing the mass-murder of 17 million people.

weren't leaders of states historically immune from this type of prosecution?

That was monarchs. And even they only got away with it because it was worth more to ransom them back. Plus, that was in the Middle Ages, when people thought God had picked the monarch.

[The Free Joy State]

That's possibly one of the most ludicrous remarks I've ever heard.

There was no "No Death Penalty" rule -- whoever told you that was seriously misinformed.

People used to be hanged for one murder, let alone overseeing the mass-murder of 17 million people.

weren't leaders of states historically immune from this type of prosecution?

I suggest you read about all the monarchs through history that were executed. And some executed heads of state. And some executed Presidents.

I mean, they got Mussolini, didn't they?

Hitler would have been executed -- either by the Soviets, or by Albert Pierrepoint.

[Infected Mushroom]

weren't leaders of states historically immune from this type of prosecution?

Fuck no

well at least with regards to royalty

[Heloin]

Fuck no

well at least with regards to royalty

Nope.