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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
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No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:35 am

Imbalistan wrote:
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but is she not already in a lot of pain?

why not give her the special meal?

If I keep a Taliban leader in prison, a man who was responsible for horrific terror attacks, and let me remind you, was not forced to do them, would you want to treat him out?


what do you mean treat him out?

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Postby Kannap » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Why not vote for her meal first before doing so?

Help her a bit?

Who cares about Christmas? The government is torturing people.


Government is torturing people, Christmas is cancelled.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:49 am

Kannap wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Who cares about Christmas? The government is torturing people.


Government is torturing people, Christmas is cancelled.

Christmas is cancelled until morale improves.
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Postby Imbalistan » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:51 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Imbalistan wrote:If I keep a Taliban leader in prison, a man who was responsible for horrific terror attacks, and let me remind you, was not forced to do them, would you want to treat him out?


what do you mean treat him out?

Why give him food and gif-

Oh, now I see where your coming from. I guess.. I guess a feast is okay. It would be fair.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:57 am

Imbalistan wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
what do you mean treat him out?

Why give him food and gif-

Oh, now I see where your coming from. I guess.. I guess a feast is okay. It would be fair.


I was thinking of giving her the Christmas meal because she's having such a miserable time

also, I think that all prisoners should get Christmas

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:58 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Imbalistan wrote:Why give him food and gif-

Oh, now I see where your coming from. I guess.. I guess a feast is okay. It would be fair.


I was thinking of giving her the Christmas meal because she's having such a miserable time

also, I think that all prisoners should get Christmas

Are you not aware that many people don't celebrate Christmas?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
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I was thinking of giving her the Christmas meal because she's having such a miserable time

also, I think that all prisoners should get Christmas

Are you not aware that many people don't celebrate Christmas?


isn't it a universal holiday?

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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:02 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Are you not aware that many people don't celebrate Christmas?


isn't it a universal holiday?

It's a Christian holiday. Just most of the world happens to be Christian.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:02 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Are you not aware that many people don't celebrate Christmas?


isn't it a universal holiday?


Come on. You're not that naive.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:03 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Are you not aware that many people don't celebrate Christmas?


isn't it a universal holiday?

"Christ" is literally in the name. Come on.
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Postby Castelia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:07 am

1. Yes, I do. But not because it's the humane thing to do, or because it's in the spirit of Christmas or any other reason. I simply thought of throwing her a bone every once in a while, seeing as how she's being very cooperative and all.

2. Well, Christmas is just another event to me, albeit one I don't believe in. As a budding atheist, I really don't celebrate any religious holiday, but of course that won't stop me from taking advantage of the situation. Christmas discounts are very good for the wallet after all (and I get free stuff from my religious family members, YAY!). And, like I explained in my answer to 1, Christmas doesn't factor into my decision in giving her a meal.

3. I do believe that prisoners deserve humane treatment, no matter how horrendous their crimes are or how terrible a person they are. They're still our fellow human beings after all. With that in mind, I support giving them special meals on holidays. Of course, when I'm the one being asked to decide, I still might be biased due to personal decisions.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:26 am

Heloin wrote:
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isn't it a universal holiday?

It's a Christian holiday. Just most of the world happens to be Christian.


More Christians than any other religious group, but most of the world is not Christian.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:38 am

Kannap wrote:
Heloin wrote:It's a Christian holiday. Just most of the world happens to be Christian.


More Christians than any other religious group, but most of the world is not Christian.

That is correct. I was remembering wrong statistics. Correct my previous statement where applicable.

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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:54 am

I would have preferred to give her the death penalty, but I'm also not into making people's lives worse in petty, malicious ways just for spite. She's already neutralized, so is no longer an active enemy, either.

I'd let her have the Christmas dinner. Her life certainly seems to suck plenty in the Glass Box as it is, anyway.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:14 am

Victorious Decepticons wrote:I would have preferred to give her the death penalty, but I'm also not into making people's lives worse in petty, malicious ways just for spite. She's already neutralized, so is no longer an active enemy, either.

I'd let her have the Christmas dinner. Her life certainly seems to suck plenty in the Glass Box as it is, anyway.


I see...

so the conditions of her imprisonment plays a major role in granting her the meal?

What if it was the same fact pattern except her prison condition was better? Would it then be denied?

or not necessarily?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:15 am

Ifreann wrote:
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isn't it a universal holiday?

"Christ" is literally in the name. Come on.


but I've known lots of atheists to celebrate it with a very commercial "why not" attitude

my family's pretty non-religious yet growing up we put up the Christmas trees anyways

isn't there some, warped commercial global version that focuses on Santa or something?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:19 am

1. She eats, she is in prison to be in prison, not to be additionally shat on. If this is the prison policy, and there is no reason to take it away as to behavior, I see no reason to deny her the privilege.

2. Xmas meal means good Chinese food, nothing else.

3. I dont remember 3.
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Postby The Chuck » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:23 am

If she was in the general prison populace, I would have said give her 15 packets of Ramen and let her have at it. Since she's in maximum security confinement for mass murder, I'd say give her a small slightly better meal then what she normally eats. Nothing to special but special enough. Instead of water, maybe a cup of cocoa, instead of moldy bread, maybe half a good baguette, etc.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:26 am

The Chuck wrote:If she was in the general prison populace, I would have said give her 15 packets of Ramen and let her have at it. Since she's in maximum security confinement for mass murder, I'd say give her a small slightly better meal then what she normally eats. Nothing to special but special enough. Instead of water, maybe a cup of cocoa, instead of moldy bread, maybe half a good baguette, etc.


Ramen packets?

Is it actually instant-made Ramen (the Japanese Ramen only) or does it include all types of Chinese instant noodles as well?

I've always differentiated between ramen and other types of instant noodles

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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:28 am

I’d vote yes. It would be the... *shudder* Christian thing to do.
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Postby The Chuck » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:32 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Chuck wrote:If she was in the general prison populace, I would have said give her 15 packets of Ramen and let her have at it. Since she's in maximum security confinement for mass murder, I'd say give her a small slightly better meal then what she normally eats. Nothing to special but special enough. Instead of water, maybe a cup of cocoa, instead of moldy bread, maybe half a good baguette, etc.


Ramen packets?

Is it actually instant-made Ramen (the Japanese Ramen only) or does it include all types of Chinese instant noodles as well?

I've always differentiated between ramen and other types of instant noodles


It's a nod to American prison systems. Ramen now has beat out cigarettes as the main form of currency in prisons here in the US. As for what type, those wheat noodle bricks that come in cheap plastic wrap with a flavor packet like Top Ramen or other types.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:38 am

The Chuck wrote:
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Ramen packets?

Is it actually instant-made Ramen (the Japanese Ramen only) or does it include all types of Chinese instant noodles as well?

I've always differentiated between ramen and other types of instant noodles


It's a nod to American prison systems. Ramen now has beat out cigarettes as the main form of currency in prisons here in the US. As for what type, those wheat noodle bricks that come in cheap plastic wrap with a flavor packet like Top Ramen or other types.


so it does include the Korean and the Chinese types too (with the noodles that aren't strictly true ramen)?

is it code word for what we'd call "instant noodles" here?

or is it really just fancy instant-made ramen?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:21 am

Castelia wrote:1. Yes, I do. But not because it's the humane thing to do, or because it's in the spirit of Christmas or any other reason. I simply thought of throwing her a bone every once in a while, seeing as how she's being very cooperative and all.

2. Well, Christmas is just another event to me, albeit one I don't believe in. As a budding atheist, I really don't celebrate any religious holiday, but of course that won't stop me from taking advantage of the situation. Christmas discounts are very good for the wallet after all (and I get free stuff from my religious family members, YAY!). And, like I explained in my answer to 1, Christmas doesn't factor into my decision in giving her a meal.

3. I do believe that prisoners deserve humane treatment, no matter how horrendous their crimes are or how terrible a person they are. They're still our fellow human beings after all. With that in mind, I support giving them special meals on holidays. Of course, when I'm the one being asked to decide, I still might be biased due to personal decisions.


On the whole I agree with this.

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Postby Jassysworth 1 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:25 pm

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:53 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

The following scenario is designed to get you to think about the meaning of Christmas and whether or not everyone has a right to celebrate it.

I don't celebrate Christmas so it doesn't mean anything to me. Muslims shouldn't be celebrating other religious holidays whatsoever. We have our own holidays. As for others, idc, but it does lose it's original meaning when non-Christians celebrate a Christian holiday.

Idk why you had to make a whole story about a simple matter, IM.
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