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Infected Mushroom wrote:

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Sympathy towards people who happen to be cute.

If she looked like gollum from Lord of the Rings, there would be a lot more people leaning towards the latter. Because then people will finally realize "Oh wait, This asshole murdered millions"

What can I say

Physical Appearance matters

Yeah, that makes you wrong.

I am willing to bet anywhere between 10-60% of the "Yes" poll said "Yes" only because cute anime girl. Not out of some sort of morality or sympathy to Witch Hitler.

This essentially makes the whole "66% feel bad for Annie" mute because the only reason why (anywhere from some to most of) them feel bad is out of "She qt3.14" (Wrong) and not out of sympathy towards another human.

And this isn't even adding the Bot Answers, Troll Answers, Multiple Accounts, etc.

Free Arabian Nation wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
What can I say

Physical Appearance matters

Yeah, that makes you wrong.

I am willing to bet anywhere between 10-60% of the "Yes" poll said "Yes" only because cute anime girl. Not out of some sort of morality or sympathy to Witch Hitler.

This essentially makes the whole "66% feel bad for Annie" mute because the only reason why they feel bad is out of "She qt3.14" (Wrong) and not out of sympathy towards another human.

A lot of the Yes votes are probably IM's puppet swarm.

Ifreann wrote:

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Yeah, that makes you wrong.

I am willing to bet anywhere between 10-60% of the "Yes" poll said "Yes" only because cute anime girl. Not out of some sort of morality or sympathy to Witch Hitler.

This essentially makes the whole "66% feel bad for Annie" mute because the only reason why they feel bad is out of "She qt3.14" (Wrong) and not out of sympathy towards another human.

A lot of the Yes votes are probably IM's puppet swarm.

As soon as you said that, the number randomly jumped from 63 to 65

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ifreann wrote:

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Yeah, that makes you wrong.

I am willing to bet anywhere between 10-60% of the "Yes" poll said "Yes" only because cute anime girl. Not out of some sort of morality or sympathy to Witch Hitler.

This essentially makes the whole "66% feel bad for Annie" mute because the only reason why they feel bad is out of "She qt3.14" (Wrong) and not out of sympathy towards another human.

A lot of the Yes votes are probably IM's puppet swarm.

Do the math Ifreann

What you’re suggesting is impossible

First, I officially disavow all links to those nations.

Take that as well but look further...

Look at the CTE dates/Last Visited NS date of those nations

Look at this thread’s creation date

Put the pieces together

Free Arabian Nation wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
What can I say

Physical Appearance matters

Yeah, that makes you wrong.

I am willing to bet anywhere between 10-60% of the "Yes" poll said "Yes" only because cute anime girl. Not out of some sort of morality or sympathy to Witch Hitler.

This essentially makes the whole "66% feel bad for Annie" mute because the only reason why (anywhere from some to most of) them feel bad is out of "She qt3.14" (Wrong) and not out of sympathy towards another human.

And this isn't even adding the Bot Answers, Troll Answers, Multiple Accounts, etc.

Why do you assume that the voters who are influenced by her looks necessarily 100% ignore all other factors?

Why do you assume that the voters who are influenced by how she looks "have not read the thread"?

If they bothered to click on a small window on the thread (Depiction of Annie) then it follows that they at least skimmed the OP which is a low enough threshold to make a reasonably informed decision; the OP is very long and the depictions tab is buried in the text.

Heloin wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Please explain how it’s mutually exclusive

Firstly IM, Times Zones. I'm living on the East coast of America. When I posted that it was like 1 in the morning, no need to reply twice to a comment to get my response. I'll reply when I get up.

Cute anime votes are not an indication of caring there an indication that someone didn't actually read the OP, rather just skimmed it. Or just read the poll and nothing more.

No its not. You're assuming.

Something can have a comment on her appearance and still have read the entire thread.

If anything, the fact that the depiction of Annie is buried in a long wall of text suggests they've at least skimmed the most important parts of the thread. And if they only read up to the picture and not much beyond, then they have enough information to make a reasonably informed decision. It in fact shows greater empathy because it didn't YET mention that she behaved.

Your assumptions are not borne out by the actual structure of the OP.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Heloin wrote:Firstly IM, Times Zones. I'm living on the East coast of America. When I posted that it was like 1 in the morning, no need to reply twice to a comment to get my response. I'll reply when I get up.

Cute anime votes are not an indication of caring there an indication that someone didn't actually read the OP, rather just skimmed it. Or just read the poll and nothing more.

No its not. You're assuming.

Something can have a comment on her appearance and still have read the entire thread.

If anything, the fact that the depiction of Annie is buried in a long wall of text suggests they've at least skimmed the most important parts of the thread. And if they only read up to the picture and not much beyond, then they have enough information to make a reasonably informed decision. It in fact shows greater empathy because it didn't YET mention that she behaved.

Your assumptions are not borne out by the actual structure of the OP.

For the second bit, wouldn't someone's judgement be blinded by the picture? Also empathy dissent matter if we got a genocidal maniac. How many times do we have to say it? SHE IS A GENOCIDAL MANIAC.

Neo Kerala wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
No its not. You're assuming.

Something can have a comment on her appearance and still have read the entire thread.

If anything, the fact that the depiction of Annie is buried in a long wall of text suggests they've at least skimmed the most important parts of the thread. And if they only read up to the picture and not much beyond, then they have enough information to make a reasonably informed decision. It in fact shows greater empathy because it didn't YET mention that she behaved.

Your assumptions are not borne out by the actual structure of the OP.

For the second bit, wouldn't someone's judgement be blinded by the picture? Also empathy dissent matter if we got a genocidal maniac. How many times do we have to say it? SHE IS A GENOCIDAL MANIAC.

So would you extend Christmas meal rights to her?

If yes why, if no, why

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Heloin wrote:Firstly IM, Times Zones. I'm living on the East coast of America. When I posted that it was like 1 in the morning, no need to reply twice to a comment to get my response. I'll reply when I get up.

Cute anime votes are not an indication of caring there an indication that someone didn't actually read the OP, rather just skimmed it. Or just read the poll and nothing more.

No its not. You're assuming.

Something can have a comment on her appearance and still have read the entire thread.

If anything, the fact that the depiction of Annie is buried in a long wall of text suggests they've at least skimmed the most important parts of the thread. And if they only read up to the picture and not much beyond, then they have enough information to make a reasonably informed decision. It in fact shows greater empathy because it didn't YET mention that she behaved.

Your assumptions are not borne out by the actual structure of the OP.

Yeah, I'm not going to get through am I. I'm going to follow Free Joy's lead. I'll be back for your next thread so long as it's not about Witch Hitler.

Heloin wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
No its not. You're assuming.

Something can have a comment on her appearance and still have read the entire thread.

If anything, the fact that the depiction of Annie is buried in a long wall of text suggests they've at least skimmed the most important parts of the thread. And if they only read up to the picture and not much beyond, then they have enough information to make a reasonably informed decision. It in fact shows greater empathy because it didn't YET mention that she behaved.

Your assumptions are not borne out by the actual structure of the OP.

Yeah, I'm not going to get through am I. I'm going to follow Free Joy's lead. I'll be back for your next thread so long as it's not about Witch Hitler.

well I'm disappointed to be honest

I was hoping you might be able to understand my point of view eventually

=(

It saddens me that you won't stay to discuss further

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Neo Kerala wrote: For the second bit, wouldn't someone's judgement be blinded by the picture? Also empathy dissent matter if we got a genocidal maniac. How many times do we have to say it? SHE IS A GENOCIDAL MANIAC.

So would you extend Christmas meal rights to her?

If yes why, if no, why

I give you one question, why can you revoke it?

Neo Kerala wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
So would you extend Christmas meal rights to her?

If yes why, if no, why

I give you one question, why can you revoke it?

You’re on a committee, and your voting about whether or not to give her the meal

Last year, poor Annie’s meal privileges/rights were revoked

Your vote may or may not be decisive

You can choose to vote to re affirm last years decision or you can choose to give her Christmas

The choice is yours

1. Yes, I vote to give her the meal, because it is the humane thing to do in this scenario.

2. Christmas, and any holiday for that matter is a time for reflection and happiness. That extends to even the most vile, reprehensible people of the land.

3. Anna has clearly shown some form of remorse/behavioural change. She is not giving trouble to anyone at the prison, and from the description appears to be suffering torture. She deserves her Christmas meal.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Neo Kerala wrote:I give you one question, why can you revoke it?

You’re on a committee, and your voting about whether or not to give her the meal

Last year, poor Annie’s meal privileges/rights were revoked

Your vote may or may not be decisive

You can choose to vote to re affirm last years decision or you can choose to give her Christmas

The choice is yours

No, why is there the ability? Someone probably did something terrible. And I'm sure it wasn't as bad as Genocide. Even if she was well behaved (BROKEN), she still commited genocide.

If some one killed many things, they shouldn't be able to have any luxuries. Would you let Hitler have this meal? If I were a genocidal maniac, I wouldn't be allowed to celebrate my birthday (Today) or Christmas or anything. Same for 'poor Annie.

Neo Kerala wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
You’re on a committee, and your voting about whether or not to give her the meal

Last year, poor Annie’s meal privileges/rights were revoked

Your vote may or may not be decisive

You can choose to vote to re affirm last years decision or you can choose to give her Christmas

The choice is yours

No, why is there the ability? Someone probably did something terrible. And I'm sure it wasn't as bad as Genocide. Even if she was well behaved (BROKEN), she still commited genocide.

If some one killed many things, they shouldn't be able to have any luxuries. Would you let Hitler have this meal? If I were a genocidal maniac, I wouldn't be allowed to celebrate my birthday (Today) or Christmas or anything. Same for 'poor Annie.

Happy Birthday!

Neo Kerala wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
You’re on a committee, and your voting about whether or not to give her the meal

Last year, poor Annie’s meal privileges/rights were revoked

Your vote may or may not be decisive

You can choose to vote to re affirm last years decision or you can choose to give her Christmas

The choice is yours

No, why is there the ability? Someone probably did something terrible. And I'm sure it wasn't as bad as Genocide. Even if she was well behaved (BROKEN), she still commited genocide.

If some one killed many things, they shouldn't be able to have any luxuries. Would you let Hitler have this meal? If I were a genocidal maniac, I wouldn't be allowed to celebrate my birthday (Today) or Christmas or anything. Same for 'poor Annie.

If you’re asking me

Yes, I would allow Hitler to celebrate Christmas

Kowani wrote:

Neo Kerala wrote:No, why is there the ability? Someone probably did something terrible. And I'm sure it wasn't as bad as Genocide. Even if she was well behaved (BROKEN), she still commited genocide.

If some one killed many things, they shouldn't be able to have any luxuries. Would you let Hitler have this meal? If I were a genocidal maniac, I wouldn't be allowed to celebrate my birthday (Today) or Christmas or anything. Same for 'poor Annie.

Happy Birthday!

Thanks!

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Neo Kerala wrote:No, why is there the ability? Someone probably did something terrible. And I'm sure it wasn't as bad as Genocide. Even if she was well behaved (BROKEN), she still commited genocide.

If some one killed many things, they shouldn't be able to have any luxuries. Would you let Hitler have this meal? If I were a genocidal maniac, I wouldn't be allowed to celebrate my birthday (Today) or Christmas or anything. Same for 'poor Annie.

If you’re asking me

Yes, I would allow Hitler to celebrate Christmas

We have totally different morals

Greater Cesnica wrote:1. Yes, I vote to give her the meal, because it is the humane thing to do in this scenario.

2. Christmas, and any holiday for that matter is a time for reflection and happiness. That extends to even the most vile, reprehensible people of the land.

3. Anna has clearly shown some form of remorse/behavioural change. She is not giving trouble to anyone at the prison, and from the description appears to be suffering torture. She deserves her Christmas meal.

I agree.

Especially with 3. Her remorse/behavioral change was a major factor in my decision to grant the meal.

Neo Kerala wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
If you’re asking me

Yes, I would allow Hitler to celebrate Christmas

We have totally different morals

I that everyone, regardless of their crimes, has some right to celebrate important holidays

Also, I factored in Annie’s good behavior

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Neo Kerala wrote:We have totally different morals

I that everyone, regardless of their crimes, has some right to celebrate important holidays

Also, I factored in Annie’s good behaviour.

'I that everyone, regardless of their crimes, has some right to celebrate important holidays' I don't, I think genocidal maniacs and shooters don't deserve Christmas and holiday celebrations. 'Also, I factored in Annie’s good behaviour' BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKEN

Neo Kerala wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
I that everyone, regardless of their crimes, has some right to celebrate important holidays

Also, I factored in Annie’s good behaviour.

'I that everyone, regardless of their crimes, has some right to celebrate important holidays' I don't, I think genocidal maniacs and shooters don't deserve Christmas and holiday celebrations. 'Also, I factored in Annie’s good behaviour' BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKEN

I believe that Annie should get a metaphorical "bonus sticker" so to speak for her relatively good behaviour over the year

the Christmas meal is, in a way of thinking, the adult equivalent of the sticker system used in many school systems (where the stickers can be traded for prizes)

at least that's how I see it

the public has an interest in counting to promote her good behaviour and this throws her a bone for her previous cooperation with the authorities; the only way to prevent a future repeat of the Holstadt incident is to understand the root causes and study her extensively

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Ifreann wrote:A lot of the Yes votes are probably IM's puppet swarm.

Do the math Ifreann

What you’re suggesting is impossible

First, I officially disavow all links to those nations.

Take that as well but look further...

Look at the CTE dates/Last Visited NS date of those nations

Look at this thread’s creation date

Put the pieces together

Or you made another one with less obvious names.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Neo Kerala wrote:'I that everyone, regardless of their crimes, has some right to celebrate important holidays' I don't, I think genocidal maniacs and shooters don't deserve Christmas and holiday celebrations. 'Also, I factored in Annie’s good behaviour' BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKEN

I believe that Annie should get a metaphorical "bonus sticker" so to speak for her relatively good behaviour over the year

the Christmas meal is, in a way of thinking, the adult equivalent of the sticker system used in many school systems (where the stickers can be traded for prizes)

at least that's how I see it

the public has an interest in counting to promote her good behaviour and this throws her a bone for her previous cooperation with the authorities; the only way to prevent a future repeat of the Holstadt incident is to understand the root causes and study her extensively

In my mind, her sticker char burnt up with the corpses of the murdered fairies

Neo Kerala wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
I believe that Annie should get a metaphorical "bonus sticker" so to speak for her relatively good behaviour over the year

the Christmas meal is, in a way of thinking, the adult equivalent of the sticker system used in many school systems (where the stickers can be traded for prizes)

at least that's how I see it

the public has an interest in counting to promote her good behaviour and this throws her a bone for her previous cooperation with the authorities; the only way to prevent a future repeat of the Holstadt incident is to understand the root causes and study her extensively

In my mind, her sticker char burnt up with the corpses of the murdered fairies

do you mean "chart"?