Christmas: Glass Box Edition

[Infected Mushroom]

Firstly, there’s nothing wrong with anime waifu votes, they are just as entitled to their opinion

Secondly, I’ve already shown you at least a few posts where there is concern expressed for her well being

If posters are concerned about humane treatment or comment on her atrocious imprisonment cinditions, then there is concern for her well being

Then the poll is bullshit.

One of those posts sort of expressed concern.

I'm one of those people IM. Expressing concern about her being tortured is not the same as being concerned about her well being. Saying that someone should not suffer needlessly doesn't automatically mean I'm going to throw them a parade and give them a puppy.

But it does show a concern for her well being, a degree of it

[Heloin]

Uh... yeah. There is.

Because that means the only reason why people tolerate her is because "cute". Essentially meaning your point is mute about "Empathy" and crap because the only reason why they said yes was because "Cute anime girl".

It’s not mutually exclusive

It very much is.

[Infected Mushroom]

It’s not mutually exclusive

It very much is.

You’re allowed to comment on someone’s appearance while making a separate assessment on your concern level for their well being

It could go same direction

[Infected Mushroom]

It’s not mutually exclusive

It very much is.

Please explain how it’s mutually exclusive

[Infected Mushroom]

Firstly, there’s nothing wrong with anime waifu votes, they are just as entitled to their opinion

Secondly, I’ve already shown you at least a few posts where there is concern expressed for her well being

If posters are concerned about humane treatment or comment on her atrocious imprisonment cinditions, then there is concern for her well being

Then the poll is bullshit.

One of those posts sort of expressed concern.

I'm one of those people IM. Expressing concern about her being tortured is not the same as being concerned about her well being. Saying that someone should not suffer needlessly doesn't automatically mean I'm going to throw them a parade and give them a puppy.

Logically, you would only value Christmas meal rights (hence you would serve it to her) if on at least some level you consider her well-being

the Christmas meal right is important BECAUSE it brings some joy during the holiday right?

why else?

[Andsed]

Then the poll is bullshit.

One of those posts sort of expressed concern.

I'm one of those people IM. Expressing concern about her being tortured is not the same as being concerned about her well being. Saying that someone should not suffer needlessly doesn't automatically mean I'm going to throw them a parade and give them a puppy.

Logically, you would only value Christmas meal rights (hence you would serve it to her) if on at least some level you consider her well-being

the Christmas meal right is important BECAUSE it brings some joy during the holiday right?

why else?

No it is a principle thing. Humans(or more accurately in this world sentient I guess) rights and all that. Annie should be fucking killed for her crimes. I don't give a shit about some heartless monsters well being.

[The New California Republic]

Annie is Keshiland 2.0 confirmed.

What’s Keshiland?

Yeah it'll take to long to explain, and even my explanation would not even begin to scratch the surface.

[Infected Mushroom]

Logically, you would only value Christmas meal rights (hence you would serve it to her) if on at least some level you consider her well-being

the Christmas meal right is important BECAUSE it brings some joy during the holiday right?

why else?

No it is a principle thing. Humans(or more accurately in this world sentient I guess) rights and all that. Annie should be fucking killed for her crimes. I don't give a shit about some heartless monsters well being.

Okay well let's try to distill that a little bit.

WHY does the principle (that you should serve a Christmas meal to all prisoners) matter to some people?

Doesn't it HAVE to be that on some level its considered a benefit to well-being?

[Andsed]

No it is a principle thing. Humans(or more accurately in this world sentient I guess) rights and all that. Annie should be fucking killed for her crimes. I don't give a shit about some heartless monsters well being.

Okay well let's try to distill that a little bit.

WHY does the principle (that you should serve a Christmas meal to all prisoners) matter to some people?

Doesn't it HAVE to be that on some level its considered a benefit to well-being?

No it's more treating prisoners humanely be at letting them celebrate the holiday in some form if they wish to. Not because of sympathy for them but more simple human rights.

[Infected Mushroom]

Okay well let's try to distill that a little bit.

WHY does the principle (that you should serve a Christmas meal to all prisoners) matter to some people?

Doesn't it HAVE to be that on some level its considered a benefit to well-being?

No it's more treating prisoners humanely be at letting them celebrate the holiday in some form if they wish to.

how can you insist on treating prisoners "humanely" but not be concerned about their well-being on some level?

doesn't the principle of treating prisoners humanely only have value if it benefits their well-being?

[Andsed]

No it's more treating prisoners humanely be at letting them celebrate the holiday in some form if they wish to.

how can you insist on treating prisoners "humanely" but not be concerned about their well-being on some level?

doesn't the principle of treating prisoners humanely only have value if it benefits their well-being?

I don't give a shit about a bunch of criminals. But setting a precedent of violating human rights is not something I want to do. There is my reasoning. I don't care about their well being I just want to honor the idea of human rights.

[Infected Mushroom]

how can you insist on treating prisoners "humanely" but not be concerned about their well-being on some level?

doesn't the principle of treating prisoners humanely only have value if it benefits their well-being?

I don't give a shit about a bunch of criminals. But setting a precedent of violating human rights is not something I want to do. There is my reasoning. I don't care about their well being I just want to honor the idea of human rights.

but you could have conceptualized an idea of human rights that excludes specifically criminals without damaging it at all for everyone else

for example:

"Human rights apply to everyone in an ironclad way, but they are not applicable to criminals at all because beyond a certain level of criminality they have irreproachably damaged the societal fabric"

[Andsed]

I don't give a shit about a bunch of criminals. But setting a precedent of violating human rights is not something I want to do. There is my reasoning. I don't care about their well being I just want to honor the idea of human rights.

but you could have conceptualized an idea of human rights that excludes specifically criminals without damaging it at all for everyone else

for example:

"Human rights apply to everyone in an ironclad way, but they are not applicable to criminals at all because beyond a certain level of criminality they have irreproachably damaged the societal fabric"

But then you set a precedent of taking away rights from entire groups of people for "damaging" society. That can be applied in many worse ways on other groups of people. Beside none of this matters since christmas meals are not a right.

[Infected Mushroom]

but you could have conceptualized an idea of human rights that excludes specifically criminals without damaging it at all for everyone else

for example:

"Human rights apply to everyone in an ironclad way, but they are not applicable to criminals at all because beyond a certain level of criminality they have irreproachably damaged the societal fabric"

But then you set a precedent of taking away rights from entire groups of people for "damaging" society. That can be applied in many worse ways on other groups of people. Beside none of this matters since christmas meals are not a right.

some posters have argued a human rights angle and seemed to work with the narrative of the story (which sets it up as a custom, if not a right)

when something's been done over and over and over to everyone (in this case with the meals in the scenario), an argument can be made that it's a right established by custom

isn't that how the rights of Englishmen concept first came about?

[Andsed]

But then you set a precedent of taking away rights from entire groups of people for "damaging" society. That can be applied in many worse ways on other groups of people. Beside none of this matters since christmas meals are not a right.

some posters have argued a human rights angle and seemed to work with the narrative of the story (which sets it up as a custom, if not a right)

when something's been done over and over and over to everyone (in this case with the meals in the scenario), an argument can be made that it's a right established by custom

isn't that how the rights of Englishmen concept first came about?

None of that makes a luxury meal for the holidays a right. You do not need a luxury meal to survive.

[Infected Mushroom]

some posters have argued a human rights angle and seemed to work with the narrative of the story (which sets it up as a custom, if not a right)

when something's been done over and over and over to everyone (in this case with the meals in the scenario), an argument can be made that it's a right established by custom

isn't that how the rights of Englishmen concept first came about?

None of that makes a luxury meal for the holidays a right. You do not need a luxury meal to survive.

you do not technically need the right of freedom of speech to survive either

[Andsed]

None of that makes a luxury meal for the holidays a right. You do not need a luxury meal to survive.

you do not technically need the right of freedom of speech to survive either

Yes but freedom of speech is actually important to a free society. Giving prisoners some luxury meal occasionally is not. Christmas meals are a privilege not a right.

[Infected Mushroom]

you do not technically need the right of freedom of speech to survive either

Yes but freedom of speech is actually important to a free society. Giving prisoners some luxury meal occasionally is not. Christmas meals are a privilege not a right.

it gives solitary confinement high born prisoners a temporary and much needed reprieve from total hell

I'd say its important to her

[Andsed]

Yes but freedom of speech is actually important to a free society. Giving prisoners some luxury meal occasionally is not. Christmas meals are a privilege not a right.

it gives solitary confinement high born prisoners a temporary and much needed reprieve from total hell

I'd say its important to her

Well I don't really give a damm about some genocidal maniac. Yeah the glass box is torture and should not be used but Annie should not even be alive right now. Oh and why does her being high born matter? Bloodlines don't mean shit.

[Ifreann]

You could scarcely be more wrong if you tried.

What’s interesting?

A fleet steed, falcons at your wrist, and the open steppe.

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If there's any kind of litigation or news coverage following this, you could be setting up an informal precedent on the importance of Christmas. It's up to you how you want to play it

It's the middle ages! They don't have news coverage!

[Infected Mushroom]

What’s interesting?

A fleet steed, falcons at your wrist, and the open steppe.

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If there's any kind of litigation or news coverage following this, you could be setting up an informal precedent on the importance of Christmas. It's up to you how you want to play it

It's the middle ages! They don't have news coverage!

news travels right?

[Ifreann]

A fleet steed, falcons at your wrist, and the open steppe.

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It's the middle ages! They don't have news coverage!

news travels right?

Not from secret prisons.

[Heloin]

It very much is.

Please explain how it’s mutually exclusive

Firstly IM, Times Zones. I'm living on the East coast of America. When I posted that it was like 1 in the morning, no need to reply twice to a comment to get my response. I'll reply when I get up.

Cute anime votes are not an indication of caring there an indication that someone didn't actually read the OP, rather just skimmed it. Or just read the poll and nothing more.

[Neo Kerala]

I guffawed

I'll admit that I'm one of the person who votes "For", since I don't see IM's going to change her punishment, eventhough she doesn't deserve it, in my opinion. I'm just being generous.

I’m glad that you are being generous towards Annie

YOU WANT US TO BE GEMOUROUS TO A GENOCIDAL MANIAC

[Neo Kerala]

Sympathy towards people who happen to be cute.

If she looked like gollum from Lord of the Rings, there would be a lot more people leaning towards the latter. Because then people will finally realize "Oh wait, This asshole murdered millions"

What can I say

Physical Appearance matters

Yes but that doesn't make you right