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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
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65%
No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
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Total votes : 105

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:34 pm

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Heloin wrote:Why would you encourage further use of this character?

Because it has done the impossible. Bring NSG together to argue a common view. That being publicity killing her.

That's some rare crap.

Ignoring the faux-poll.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:43 pm

Andsed wrote:
Heloin wrote:Why would you encourage further use of this character?

Because it has done the impossible. Bring NSG together to argue a common view. That being publicity killing her.

Satanic fuckin’ miracle.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
Andsed wrote:Because it has done the impossible. Bring NSG together to argue a common view. That being publicity killing her.

Satanic fuckin’ miracle.

Annie is Keshiland 2.0 confirmed.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:22 pm

Andsed wrote:
Heloin wrote:Why would you encourage further use of this character?

Because it has done the impossible. Bring NSG together to argue a common view. That being publicity killing her.

Yup :rofl:

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:08 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Kowani wrote:She’s such a CoMplEx cHarActEr.

Yep. It's not even mentioned in the OP that she was 'an abused princess'.
I just hope that in the next occasion a complete/better elaboration on her personality is going to be written in the OP, not just mentioned along the discussion.
But....yeah


Ok

I will try to include more details next time

However, the future Annie thread won’t be up for at least one month

Got to cycle some other thought experiments first

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:09 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Satanic fuckin’ miracle.

Annie is Keshiland 2.0 confirmed.


What’s Keshiland?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:10 pm

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but would it impact how you vote in this hypothetical?

I don't know, I'd need to see it.


So it’s Christmas but it’s in a 2019 prison

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:37 pm

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Ifreann wrote:To justify your disinterest in research.


The real world is less interesting then thought experiments

You could scarcely be more wrong if you tried.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The real world is less interesting then thought experiments

You could scarcely be more wrong if you tried.


What’s interesting?

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:51 pm

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Ifreann wrote:You could scarcely be more wrong if you tried.


What’s interesting?

I keep telling you this across many threads and you keep ignoring this. Read nonfiction books.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:54 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What’s interesting?

I keep telling you this across many threads and you keep ignoring this. Read nonfiction books.


I don’t really like reading

I had to read too much in law school/uni and grew to dislike it

However, I greatly appreciate it when you bring your knowledge and theories from books into the threads I make

It is clear that you read a lot

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:00 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:I keep telling you this across many threads and you keep ignoring this. Read nonfiction books.


I don’t really like reading

I had to read too much in law school/uni and grew to dislike it

Then how do you know life in less interesting then fiction? I've read books about real events that are more interesting then most movies you can see. Hell I've had a more interesting life then some films I've seen.

However, I greatly appreciate it when you bring your knowledge and theories from books into the threads I make

It is clear that you read a lot

Dankie.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:56 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I don’t really like reading

I had to read too much in law school/uni and grew to dislike it

Then how do you know life in less interesting then fiction? I've read books about real events that are more interesting then most movies you can see. Hell I've had a more interesting life then some films I've seen.

However, I greatly appreciate it when you bring your knowledge and theories from books into the threads I make

It is clear that you read a lot

Dankie.


in real life you never (realistically) get to make really important and influential decisions like casting a powerful vote on whether or not a convicted mass murderer should or shouldn't get a Christmas meal

most of real life is a grind and the battles that are fought are generally pretty one sided

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:03 pm

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Heloin wrote:Then how do you know life in less interesting then fiction? I've read books about real events that are more interesting then most movies you can see. Hell I've had a more interesting life then some films I've seen.


Dankie.


in real life you never (realistically) get to make really important and influential decisions like casting a powerful vote on whether or not a convicted mass murderer should or shouldn't get a Christmas meal

most of real life is a grind and the battles that are fought are generally pretty one sided

You don't know anything about my life, and you have an overly bleak view on life. A stupid vote on whether or not some murderer gets a dinner for Christmas would literally be among the least influential and important things I've ever done.

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:03 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Then how do you know life in less interesting then fiction? I've read books about real events that are more interesting then most movies you can see. Hell I've had a more interesting life then some films I've seen.


Dankie.


in real life you never (realistically) get to make really important and influential decisions like casting a powerful vote on whether or not a convicted mass murderer should or shouldn't get a Christmas meal

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, you really need to get your priorities straight. If I had the vote of "Give Christmas meal or Don't" then it wouldn't even make my top 30 "Important" decisions I need to make that day
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:06 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in real life you never (realistically) get to make really important and influential decisions like casting a powerful vote on whether or not a convicted mass murderer should or shouldn't get a Christmas meal

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, you really need to get your priorities straight. If I had the vote of "Give Christmas meal or Don't" then it wouldn't even make my top 30 "Important" decisions I need to make that day

Whether or not I take a shower in the morning or evening is a more important decision for the wider world then Witch Hitler's Christmas.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:10 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in real life you never (realistically) get to make really important and influential decisions like casting a powerful vote on whether or not a convicted mass murderer should or shouldn't get a Christmas meal

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, you really need to get your priorities straight. If I had the vote of "Give Christmas meal or Don't" then it wouldn't even make my top 30 "Important" decisions I need to make that day


This allows you to very positively impact someone's life.

Think about it, your decision could decide whether or not she enjoys her right to have a good Christmas. For someone imprisoned so long, its a big deal. You get to weigh in on it (as a voter) and provide a written justification. That's life changing stuff.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:11 pm

If there's any kind of litigation or news coverage following this, you could be setting up an informal precedent on the importance of Christmas. It's up to you how you want to play it

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:12 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, you really need to get your priorities straight. If I had the vote of "Give Christmas meal or Don't" then it wouldn't even make my top 30 "Important" decisions I need to make that day


This allows you to very positively impact someone's life.

Think about it, your decision could decide whether or not she enjoys her right to have a good Christmas. For someone imprisoned so long, its a big deal. You get to weigh in on it (as a voter) and provide a written justification. That's life changing stuff.

Firstly, no one want's to positively influence this persons life.

Besides, on an average week I already influence people's lives much more then this.

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:13 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:If there's any kind of litigation or news coverage following this, you could be setting up an informal precedent on the importance of Christmas. It's up to you how you want to play it

Every Christmas she is kept alive she gets kicked in the face.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:15 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This allows you to very positively impact someone's life.

Think about it, your decision could decide whether or not she enjoys her right to have a good Christmas. For someone imprisoned so long, its a big deal. You get to weigh in on it (as a voter) and provide a written justification. That's life changing stuff.

Firstly, no one want's to positively influence this persons life.

Besides, on an average week I already influence people's lives much more then this.


Some of the posters have indicated that they want to positively influence her life. They believe that Christmas should be a time of joy. For instance:

1. Yes, I vote in favour. It's the humane thing to do...


With conditions being so awful, she should get her special meal. Seeing as everyone else (including other prisoners) get one then she should too, especially as security is not a concern here. I'm siding with with Ifreann, but I'd let her and the other prisoners enjoy their meals before becoming a whistle blower. That way they get two presents.


1. Yes, I do. But not because it's the humane thing to do, or because it's in the spirit of Christmas or any other reason. I simply thought of throwing her a bone every once in a while, seeing as how she's being very cooperative and all.


I'd let her have the Christmas dinner. Her life certainly seems to suck plenty in the Glass Box as it is, anyway.


1. She eats, she is in prison to be in prison, not to be additionally shat on. If this is the prison policy, and there is no reason to take it away as to behavior, I see no reason to deny her the privilege.


This and other posts from various posters suggest that Annie has not been completely dehumanized

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:16 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:If there's any kind of litigation or news coverage following this, you could be setting up an informal precedent on the importance of Christmas. It's up to you how you want to play it

Every Christmas she is kept alive she gets kicked in the face.


what's with you obsession with kicking people in the face?

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:17 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:If there's any kind of litigation or news coverage following this, you could be setting up an informal precedent on the importance of Christmas. It's up to you how you want to play it

I don't give two flying fricks about Christmas.

But, If I must give in to Christmas, I won't give her a free meal every Christmas: I'll give her a nice sledgehammer to the kneecaps every Christmas. Dressed up as Santa too, for jokes
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:18 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:If there's any kind of litigation or news coverage following this, you could be setting up an informal precedent on the importance of Christmas. It's up to you how you want to play it

Every Christmas she is kept alive she gets kicked in the face.

Poor, poor, poor Annie
She's a murderer, being kept alive
Let's kick her in the face

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:18 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Firstly, no one want's to positively influence this persons life.

Besides, on an average week I already influence people's lives much more then this.


Some of the posters have indicated that they want to positively influence her life. They believe that Christmas should be a time of joy. For instance:

1. Yes, I vote in favour. It's the humane thing to do...


With conditions being so awful, she should get her special meal. Seeing as everyone else (including other prisoners) get one then she should too, especially as security is not a concern here. I'm siding with with Ifreann, but I'd let her and the other prisoners enjoy their meals before becoming a whistle blower. That way they get two presents.


1. Yes, I do. But not because it's the humane thing to do, or because it's in the spirit of Christmas or any other reason. I simply thought of throwing her a bone every once in a while, seeing as how she's being very cooperative and all.


I'd let her have the Christmas dinner. Her life certainly seems to suck plenty in the Glass Box as it is, anyway.


1. She eats, she is in prison to be in prison, not to be additionally shat on. If this is the prison policy, and there is no reason to take it away as to behavior, I see no reason to deny her the privilege.


This and other posts from various posters suggest that Annie has not been completely dehumanized

I don't know who the hell those are from. And only one of those people is doing it to make her life vaguely more positive. The rest seem to do it out of obligation towards a prisoner not as an act of kindness for witch Hitler. My point still stands.

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