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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
68
65%
No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
37
35%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:01 pm

Heloin wrote:
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There’s no evidence whatsoever of poll fraud here

Unless you submit otherwise, I trust the poll

And I don't even consider the poll existing. I've not voted in it and it should not matter. You know the majority of posters are for killing her, whether or not those killing her will give her the dinner sure check the polls for that. But this whole thing about "polls mean I'm right" started from your continued refusal to realise that Witch Hitler is insanely unlikable.


There’s enough sympathy to extend a Christmas meal (from a majority)

I don’t know about overall sympathy levels

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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:03 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:And I don't even consider the poll existing. I've not voted in it and it should not matter. You know the majority of posters are for killing her, whether or not those killing her will give her the dinner sure check the polls for that. But this whole thing about "polls mean I'm right" started from your continued refusal to realise that Witch Hitler is insanely unlikable.


There’s enough sympathy to extend a Christmas meal (from a majority)

I don’t know about overall sympathy levels

Low to none. That includes people giving her the meal.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:24 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
There’s enough sympathy to extend a Christmas meal (from a majority)

I don’t know about overall sympathy levels

Low to none. That includes people giving her the meal.


And think on some level, many see people in the Yes camp recognize that despite everything she’s done, Annie is still human

At least that’s what I hope

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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:29 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Low to none. That includes people giving her the meal.


And think on some level, many see people in the Yes camp recognize that despite everything she’s done, Annie is still human

At least that’s what I hope

Many humans get the death penalty.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:31 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Low to none. That includes people giving her the meal.


And think on some level, many see people in the Yes camp recognize that despite everything she’s done, Annie is still human

At least that’s what I hope

I think the ones that aren't bots are only voting for the cute factor that than the human factor, dehumanizing her to nothing more than a cute face.
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:32 pm

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ElCKuT wrote:I legit literally just said in the very post you quoted that I want proof from posts, not the poll.


The posts can only estimate how vocal a group is, not how large it is

Well then neither can polls. Especially yours.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:45 pm

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The posts can only estimate how vocal a group is, not how large it is

Well then neither can polls. Especially yours.


Unless they’ve been rigged

Polls are about numbers of opinions

While posts are voluntary explanations/advertisements for certain opinion

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:47 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
And think on some level, many see people in the Yes camp recognize that despite everything she’s done, Annie is still human

At least that’s what I hope

I think the ones that aren't bots are only voting for the cute factor that than the human factor, dehumanizing her to nothing more than a cute face.


There’s been a number of posts that have justified the Yes vote without referring to Looks

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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:47 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:Well then neither can polls. Especially yours.


Unless they’ve been rigged

Polls are about numbers of opinions

While posts are voluntary explanations/advertisements for certain opinion

This poll doesn't prove anything. Giving a prisoner food has no bearing in whether we think she deserves to live or not.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:06 pm

Another factor explains the different opinions might be views towards royalty and high born rights

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:53 am

What if instead of the medieval ages this scenario was 100% set in the modern day?

I'm not saying it is but as a hypothetical counterfactual (since you mention "inconsistencies")... how would it change the ball game?

Would you adopt different values and extend her the Christmas meal? Or not so much regardless?

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Postby Linderman » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:41 am

What happened?

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Postby ElCKuT » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:11 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:What if instead of the medieval ages this scenario was 100% set in the modern day?

I'm not saying it is but as a hypothetical counterfactual (since you mention "inconsistencies")... how would it change the ball game?

Would you adopt different values and extend her the Christmas meal? Or not so much regardless?

She. Deserves. Death.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:25 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Another factor explains the different opinions might be views towards royalty and high born rights

Just because you keep saying other people care about that doesn't make it true.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:40 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:What if instead of the medieval ages this scenario was 100% set in the modern day?

I'm not saying it is but as a hypothetical counterfactual (since you mention "inconsistencies")... how would it change the ball game?

Would you adopt different values and extend her the Christmas meal? Or not so much regardless?

At the very least it'd stop these anachronisms from grinding against one another and causing all manners of awkwardness.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:06 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:What if instead of the medieval ages this scenario was 100% set in the modern day?

I'm not saying it is but as a hypothetical counterfactual (since you mention "inconsistencies")... how would it change the ball game?

Would you adopt different values and extend her the Christmas meal? Or not so much regardless?

No Witch Hitler still dies and she gets no fancy meal. Her actions are inexcusable and she is irredeemable. Nothing you say changes that.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:08 am

[quote="Infected Mushroom";p="35990271"]

I’m glad that you are being generous towards Annie[/quote]
Well, like I've already stated, I don't see that that the scenario of her being imprisoned instead of death penalty is going to change, so I'm just going to torture her with kindness. Make her realize and maybe loathe her past self for having no heart in killing those faeiries and what else.

Maybe that won't work, I have no idea.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:43 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
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I’m glad that you are being generous towards Annie

Well, like I've already stated, I don't see that that the scenario of her being imprisoned instead of death penalty is going to change, so I'm just going to torture her with kindness. Make her realize and maybe loathe her past self for having no heart in killing those faeiries and what else.

Maybe that won't work, I have no idea.


It could work.

The idea is that while Annie has done terrible things in her life, she can always be redeemed because at the end of the day, there's still humanity in her. It's why she's such a complex character.

She may indeed come to (or may already have) see the error of her ways.

Extending a hand of kindness to her, by giving her a nice Christmas meal, may lead her to rethink her assumptions about the rest of society.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:44 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:What if instead of the medieval ages this scenario was 100% set in the modern day?

I'm not saying it is but as a hypothetical counterfactual (since you mention "inconsistencies")... how would it change the ball game?

Would you adopt different values and extend her the Christmas meal? Or not so much regardless?

At the very least it'd stop these anachronisms from grinding against one another and causing all manners of awkwardness.


but would it impact how you vote in this hypothetical?

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:25 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Well, like I've already stated, I don't see that that the scenario of her being imprisoned instead of death penalty is going to change, so I'm just going to torture her with kindness. Make her realize and maybe loathe her past self for having no heart in killing those faeiries and what else.

Maybe that won't work, I have no idea.


It could work.

The idea is that while Annie has done terrible things in her life, she can always be redeemed because at the end of the day, there's still humanity in her. It's why she's such a complex character.

She may indeed come to (or may already have) see the error of her ways.

Extending a hand of kindness to her, by giving her a nice Christmas meal, may lead her to rethink her assumptions about the rest of society.

She’s such a CoMplEx cHarActEr.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:49 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:At the very least it'd stop these anachronisms from grinding against one another and causing all manners of awkwardness.


but would it impact how you vote in this hypothetical?

I don't know, I'd need to see it.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:02 am

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
It could work.

The idea is that while Annie has done terrible things in her life, she can always be redeemed because at the end of the day, there's still humanity in her. It's why she's such a complex character.

She may indeed come to (or may already have) see the error of her ways.

Extending a hand of kindness to her, by giving her a nice Christmas meal, may lead her to rethink her assumptions about the rest of society.

She’s such a CoMplEx cHarActEr.

Yep. It's not even mentioned in the OP that she was 'an abused princess'.
I just hope that in the next occasion a complete/better elaboration on her personality is going to be written in the OP, not just mentioned along the discussion.
But....yeah

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:51 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Kowani wrote:She’s such a CoMplEx cHarActEr.

Yep. It's not even mentioned in the OP that she was 'an abused princess'.
I just hope that in the next occasion a complete/better elaboration on her personality is going to be written in the OP, not just mentioned along the discussion.
But....yeah

Why would you encourage further use of this character?

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:12 am

Heloin wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Yep. It's not even mentioned in the OP that she was 'an abused princess'.
I just hope that in the next occasion a complete/better elaboration on her personality is going to be written in the OP, not just mentioned along the discussion.
But....yeah

Why would you encourage further use of this character?

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:30 pm

Heloin wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Yep. It's not even mentioned in the OP that she was 'an abused princess'.
I just hope that in the next occasion a complete/better elaboration on her personality is going to be written in the OP, not just mentioned along the discussion.
But....yeah

Why would you encourage further use of this character?

Because it has done the impossible. Bring NSG together to argue a common view. That being publicity killing her.
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