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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
68
65%
No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
37
35%
 
Total votes : 105

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:11 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Prisoners like Annie shouldn't be allowed holidays period.


I think it’s unfair treatment unless she was additionally sentenced to life with no holiday rights/privileges

This is just additional discretionary hostility towards a criminal already sentenced

It’s on the same level as say: “accidentally” forgetting to get her an extra blanket for days or passive aggressively eating half her rations before getting it to her

It’s unnecessary cruelty

Oops.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:21 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:No, I just don't trust the opinion of a individual that you use to say "Well, he agrees with me that Witch Hitler shouldn't be tortured and suffer for her crimes against literally everybody and everything"


They are not my puppet

Everyone knows that Ethel isn't your puppet. That wasn't what Free Arabian was saying.

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Infected Mushroom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think it’s unfair treatment unless she was additionally sentenced to life with no holiday rights/privileges

This is just additional discretionary hostility towards a criminal already sentenced

It’s on the same level as say: “accidentally” forgetting to get her an extra blanket for days or passive aggressively eating half her rations before getting it to her

It’s unnecessary cruelty

Oops.


This is the sort of thing the guards were doing to her when she first came in.

However, eventually they learned to ge along

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ElCKuT
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:51 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
So are you saying prisoners shouldn’t get any holidays besides Islamic ones?

Prisoners like Annie shouldn't be allowed holidays period.

^This
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Prisoners like Annie shouldn't be allowed holidays period.


I think it’s unfair treatment unless she was additionally sentenced to life with no holiday rights/privileges

This is just additional discretionary hostility towards a criminal already sentenced

It’s on the same level as say: “accidentally” forgetting to get her an extra blanket for days or passive aggressively eating half her rations before getting it to her

It’s unnecessary cruelty

We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:Oops.


This is the sort of thing the guards were doing to her when she first came in.

However, eventually they learned to ge along

No, they tortured her until she broke down. In case you don't know, solitary confinement can be considered a form of torture so all this "but it's cruelty" nonsense is total bullcrap.
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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:54 pm

ElCKuT wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Prisoners like Annie shouldn't be allowed holidays period.

^This
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think it’s unfair treatment unless she was additionally sentenced to life with no holiday rights/privileges

This is just additional discretionary hostility towards a criminal already sentenced

It’s on the same level as say: “accidentally” forgetting to get her an extra blanket for days or passive aggressively eating half her rations before getting it to her

It’s unnecessary cruelty

We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This is the sort of thing the guards were doing to her when she first came in.

However, eventually they learned to ge along

No, they tortured her until she broke down. In case you don't know, solitary confinement can be considered a form of torture so all this "but it's cruelty" nonsense is total bullcrap.


They are concerned that Annie wouldn’t last very long with the general non magic prison population (the Mages run some of these too for the territories they directly administer). There’s too high of a risk that she could be stabbed, hurt, or beaten to death.

She would also be more powerful, even without a wand and forced medications outside the Box
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ElCKuT
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:^This

We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?

No, they tortured her until she broke down. In case you don't know, solitary confinement can be considered a form of torture so all this "but it's cruelty" nonsense is total bullcrap.


They are concerned that Annie wouldn’t last very long with the general non magic prison population (the Mages run some of these too for the territories they directly administer). There’s too high of a risk that she could be stabbed, hurt, or beaten to death.

Most of the posters here would have no problem with that. Me, I just want a swift execution.
Anybody who says that I support non-Islamic slavery, persecution of non-Muslims, rape, domestic violence, terrorism, pedophilia, killing homosexuals, hating Jews, etc is lying.

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:^This

We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?

No, they tortured her until she broke down. In case you don't know, solitary confinement can be considered a form of torture so all this "but it's cruelty" nonsense is total bullcrap.


They are concerned that Annie wouldn’t last very long with the general non magic prison population (the Mages run some of these too for the territories they directly administer). There’s too high of a risk that she could be stabbed, hurt, or beaten to death.

I'm not hearing any downsides.

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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:56 pm

ElCKuT wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
They are concerned that Annie wouldn’t last very long with the general non magic prison population (the Mages run some of these too for the territories they directly administer). There’s too high of a risk that she could be stabbed, hurt, or beaten to death.

Most of the posters here would have no problem with that. Me, I just want a swift execution.


It brings disrepute to the justice system if people get killed by other prisoners

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Samudera Darussalam
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:57 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:^This

We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?

No, they tortured her until she broke down. In case you don't know, solitary confinement can be considered a form of torture so all this "but it's cruelty" nonsense is total bullcrap.


They are concerned that Annie wouldn’t last very long with the general non magic prison population (the Mages run some of these too for the territories they directly administer). There’s too high of a risk that she could be stabbed, hurt, or beaten to death.

She would also be more powerful, even without a wand and forced medications outside the Box

How can she be more powerful?

And about the stabbing and others......well, everyone should have expected that Witch Hitler is going to get one of those in the future....given what she has done. Humanity isn't known in general to be mostly forgiving.

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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:57 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
They are concerned that Annie wouldn’t last very long with the general non magic prison population (the Mages run some of these too for the territories they directly administer). There’s too high of a risk that she could be stabbed, hurt, or beaten to death.

I'm not hearing any downsides.


The whole idea of the Mages taking her prisoner was to respect her right to life

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Free Arabian Nation
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:57 pm

ElCKuT wrote:We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?

You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from North Carolina. We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.
Last edited by Free Arabian Nation on Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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ElCKuT
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:Most of the posters here would have no problem with that. Me, I just want a swift execution.


It brings disrepute to the justice system if people get killed by other prisoners

Who said anything about other prisoners?
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:I'm not hearing any downsides.


The whole idea of the Mages taking her prisoner was to respect her right to life

I can rest assure you. No one but you cares about her right to life.

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ElCKuT
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:59 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?

You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from (Florida?). We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.

I'm from North Carolina
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Infected Mushroom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:59 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
They are concerned that Annie wouldn’t last very long with the general non magic prison population (the Mages run some of these too for the territories they directly administer). There’s too high of a risk that she could be stabbed, hurt, or beaten to death.

She would also be more powerful, even without a wand and forced medications outside the Box

How can she be more powerful?

And about the stabbing and others......well, everyone should have expected that Witch Hitler is going to get one of those in the future....given what she has done. Humanity isn't known in general to be mostly forgiving.


The Mage prison is run by professionals under Unbreakable oath, so she’s safe there except for some limited passive aggression

While she’s there, the Glass Box provides a lot of magical power suppression

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ElCKuT
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:59 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The whole idea of the Mages taking her prisoner was to respect her right to life

I can rest assure you. No one but you cares about her right to life.

If anything she has a right to death.
Anybody who says that I support non-Islamic slavery, persecution of non-Muslims, rape, domestic violence, terrorism, pedophilia, killing homosexuals, hating Jews, etc is lying.

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Free Arabian Nation
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:59 pm

ElCKuT wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from (Florida?). We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.

I'm from North Carolina

Dang it, I was waaay off.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:59 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?

You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from (Florida?). We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.

Solidarity forever!

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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:01 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:We Want To Kill Her. How many times does this have to be said?

You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from (Florida?). We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.


You are very vocal group but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us
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Free Arabian Nation
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:02 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from (Florida?). We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.


You are very vocal but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us

Polls =/= what people actually believe.

Bots, multiple accounts, people who don't read the OP, etc exist you know.
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ElCKuT
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:03 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from (Florida?). We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.


You are very vocal group but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us

Prove that we're a minority. I want proof from the posts, not the poll.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:05 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from (Florida?). We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.


You are very vocal group but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us

We are the people posting in the thread though. And if the overwhelming opinion of the last 50 pages of those posting is kill the witch, then I'd say that opinion trumps the opinion of someone who passed through and saw cute anime waifu in prison who wants Christmas.

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Samudera Darussalam
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:13 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
You are very vocal group but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us

We are the people posting in the thread though. And if the overwhelming opinion of the last 50 pages of those posting is kill the witch, then I'd say that opinion trumps the opinion of someone who passed through and saw cute anime waifu in prison who wants Christmas.

I guffawed :rofl:

I'll admit that I'm one of the person who votes "For", since I don't see IM's going to change her punishment, eventhough she doesn't deserve it, in my opinion. I'm just being generous.

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:16 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Heloin wrote:We are the people posting in the thread though. And if the overwhelming opinion of the last 50 pages of those posting is kill the witch, then I'd say that opinion trumps the opinion of someone who passed through and saw cute anime waifu in prison who wants Christmas.

I guffawed :rofl:

I'll admit that I'm one of the person who votes "For", since I don't see IM's going to change her punishment, eventhough she doesn't deserve it, in my opinion. I'm just being generous.

I haven't voted in one of IM's threads since November. For protest reasons.

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Infected Mushroom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:25 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Heloin wrote:We are the people posting in the thread though. And if the overwhelming opinion of the last 50 pages of those posting is kill the witch, then I'd say that opinion trumps the opinion of someone who passed through and saw cute anime waifu in prison who wants Christmas.

I guffawed :rofl:

I'll admit that I'm one of the person who votes "For", since I don't see IM's going to change her punishment, eventhough she doesn't deserve it, in my opinion. I'm just being generous.


I’m glad that you are being generous towards Annie

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