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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
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No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:39 am

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Maybe "you will not suffer if you don't kill witches"?

That's some incredible bullshit you're trying to pull right there.

What the hell, does "Suffer not the Xeno to live" mean "Oh yeah, Aliens are cool. Don't kill them"?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:39 am

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I was under the impression standard Christian theology held everyone to be sinners/unholy

it wouldn't be specific to her

Sin may be sin, but shit like daemon worshiping in order to genocide a continent would be stake-burning by medieval standards and firing squad by modern standard


worshipping demons is not necessary for Annie to use her powers

She relied mostly on her raw magical power and augmentations though stolen relics

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:40 am

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Free Arabian Nation wrote:Sin may be sin, but shit like daemon worshiping in order to genocide a continent would be stake-burning by medieval standards and firing squad by modern standard


worshipping demons is not necessary for Annie to use her powers

She relied mostly on her raw magical power and augmentations though stolen relics

Probably demonic still, or at least be considered demonic by most if not all churches
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:40 am

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Heloin wrote:How do you not read "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" literally? I'll be honest there's not much interpretation to that one.


I would contextualise it to that narrow time period only

it was a specific command to a specific group (the Israelites) during a specific time

not a command to stand for all time

It's a call to kill witches. You're just desperately trying to dig yourself out of this hole now that you know there is precedent for just flat out killing Witch Hitler. Hell there is now precedent for my kill all witches cry from earlier in the thread.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:44 am

Heloin wrote:
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I would contextualise it to that narrow time period only

it was a specific command to a specific group (the Israelites) during a specific time

not a command to stand for all time

It's a call to kill witches. You're just desperately trying to dig yourself out of this hole now that you know there is precedent for just flat out killing Witch Hitler. Hell there is now precedent for my kill all witches cry from earlier in the thread.


Traditional Christian theology is generally at odds with the Order of Magic.

However, the Church has reinterpreted many of the texts so that the Order can co-exist with the non magical kingdoms. It was deemed necessary to preserve the peace after the Great Magical War.

There are lots of tools that can be used, contextual interpretation of Scripture.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:45 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
worshipping demons is not necessary for Annie to use her powers

She relied mostly on her raw magical power and augmentations though stolen relics

Probably demonic still, or at least be considered demonic by most if not all churches


this justification has been used by the non magical kingdoms to launch periodic pogroms against magic users

it was one of the reasons Annie started the war against the non magical kingdoms

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:45 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Probably demonic still, or at least be considered demonic by most if not all churches


this justification has been used by the non magical kingdoms to launch periodic pogroms against magic users

it was one of the reasons Annie started the war against the non magical kingdoms

Maybe there was a good reason? Not only are magic users daemonic but they produce witch hitlers.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:47 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:It's a call to kill witches. You're just desperately trying to dig yourself out of this hole now that you know there is precedent for just flat out killing Witch Hitler. Hell there is now precedent for my kill all witches cry from earlier in the thread.


Traditional Christian theology is generally at odds with the Order of Magic.

However, the Church has reinterpreted many of the texts so that the Order can co-exist with the non magical kingdoms. It was deemed necessary to preserve the peace after the Great Magical War.

There are lots of tools that can be used, contextual interpretation of Scripture.

All that just sounds like Order of Moron propaganda to me.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:54 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
this justification has been used by the non magical kingdoms to launch periodic pogroms against magic users

it was one of the reasons Annie started the war against the non magical kingdoms

Maybe there was a good reason? Not only are magic users daemonic but they produce witch hitlers.


Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:56 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Maybe there was a good reason? Not only are magic users daemonic but they produce witch hitlers.


Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

Witch Hitler is not a freedom fighter.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:56 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Maybe there was a good reason? Not only are magic users daemonic but they produce witch hitlers.


Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

She should have got the death penalty.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:57 am

Heloin wrote:
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Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

Witch Hitler is not a freedom fighter.


it depends on which side of the war you are on

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:57 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Maybe there was a good reason? Not only are magic users daemonic but they produce witch hitlers.


Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

So, they finally rose up and what did they do? They genocided millions.

They are not a race, not a religion, but a choice like driving on the left instead of the right side and they have proven themselves to be power-hungry maniacs. They must be destroyed for the sake of the human race. *quite German music in the background*
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:58 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Witch Hitler is not a freedom fighter.


it depends on which side of the war you are on

No, not at all. If the Order of Morons thinks she's a freedom fighter then me killing them off is only more justified.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:59 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
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Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

So, they finally rose up and what did they do? They genocided millions.

They are not a race, not a religion, but a choice like driving on the left instead of the right side and they have proven themselves to be power-hungry maniacs. They must be destroyed for the sake of the human race. *quite German music in the background*


You're forgetting that magic users fought on both sides. The Order chose to side with the human kingdoms.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:59 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Probably demonic still, or at least be considered demonic by most if not all churches


this justification has been used by the non magical kingdoms to launch periodic pogroms against magic users

it was one of the reasons Annie started the war against the non magical kingdoms

You said she genocided fairies.


Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Maybe there was a good reason? Not only are magic users daemonic but they produce witch hitlers.


Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

But there's an international order of magic users so powerful as to be on par with all the mundane nations of Europe, and some kind of magical war that caused a Christian reformation.

You can't have it both ways, magic users can't be an oppressed minority and also totally dominate international politics.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:59 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
it depends on which side of the war you are on

No, not at all. If the Order of Morons thinks she's a freedom fighter then me killing them off is only more justified.


The Order fought against her.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
this justification has been used by the non magical kingdoms to launch periodic pogroms against magic users

it was one of the reasons Annie started the war against the non magical kingdoms

You said she genocided fairies.


Infected Mushroom wrote:
Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

But there's an international order of magic users so powerful as to be on par with all the mundane nations of Europe, and some kind of magical war that caused a Christian reformation.

You can't have it both ways, magic users can't be an oppressed minority and also totally dominate international politics.


The Order formed an uneasy peace with the Church and the non magical kingdoms

their policy of non-intervention with respect to pogroms really really upset Annie and her supporters

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:00 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:So, they finally rose up and what did they do? They genocided millions.

They are not a race, not a religion, but a choice like driving on the left instead of the right side and they have proven themselves to be power-hungry maniacs. They must be destroyed for the sake of the human race. *quite German music in the background*


You're forgetting that magic users fought on both sides. The Order chose to side with the human kingdoms.

Doesn't matter, they still cannot be trusted
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:01 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Maybe there was a good reason? Not only are magic users daemonic but they produce witch hitlers.


Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

Try as you might, you will never turn Witch Hitler into a plucky resistance fighter.

No matter how you expand her origin story. You can make her an orphan, give her a floppy-eared dog and a stirring theme song, and we will never sympathise with her.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:01 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
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You're forgetting that magic users fought on both sides. The Order chose to side with the human kingdoms.

Doesn't matter, they still cannot be trusted


The focus (politically) is to rebuild Europe from the destruction and maintain the status quo with the variable elements in the victorious alliance, the non magical kingdoms, the fairy tribes, and the Order.

There's no tension between them as of now.

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:02 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
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Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

Try as you might, you will never turn Witch Hitler into a plucky resistance fighter.

No matter how you expand her origin story. You can make her an orphan, give her a floppy-eared dog and a stirring theme song, and we will never sympathise with her.

What if it was a floppy-eared cat?
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:02 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:No, not at all. If the Order of Morons thinks she's a freedom fighter then me killing them off is only more justified.


The Order fought against her.

You mean the people who are keeping her alive for no reason? Probably just a bunch of Quislings. Only pretended to like non-witches in order to not be killed off probably and now are showing there true colours.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:02 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Annie was the only witch in history to really fight back on this scale

for most of history, its been pogroms ordered by the kings and the villages against magic users

there was a lot of oppression and massacres of magic users

Try as you might, you will never turn Witch Hitler into a plucky resistance fighter.

No matter how you expand her origin story. You can make her an orphan, give her a floppy-eared dog and a stirring theme song, and we will never sympathise with her.


many of her followers and supporters viewed her as such though

the idea of building a benevolent magical kingdom is to liberate magic users from oppression

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:03 am

Heloin wrote:
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The Order fought against her.

You mean the people who are keeping her alive for no reason? Probably just a bunch of Quislings. Only pretended to like non-witches in order to not be killed off probably and now are showing there true colours.


that's in keeping with their traditions, code and worldview

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