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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
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No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
It seems to be a real life thing though; take a look at this Quora post:



So its reasonable to give Annie a Christmas treat

That people in an American prison in 2014 get holiday meals does not mean that your precious Witch Hitler would get anything but her head cut off in Medieval Europe.

Not necessarily. If she were accused of witchcraft in real Medieval Europe, there are many way they could have killed her.

I believe burning at the stake was also used.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:58 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Not really. This may be one of those prisons that gives a lot less special meals, i.e. zero.


the scenario takes place in a world where Christmas means even more than it does in real life

in such a society, revoking Christmas is considered a big move

Horrible then. Even more reason to not serve any special meals on that day.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:00 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
the scenario takes place in a world where Christmas means even more than it does in real life

in such a society, revoking Christmas is considered a big move

Horrible then. Even more reason to not serve any special meals on that day.


what about Witch Annie's good behaviour over the year?

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:01 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Horrible then. Even more reason to not serve any special meals on that day.


what about Witch Annie's good behaviour over the year?

"Broken" =/= good behaviour. If I break someone's spirit it'd be asinine to claim that they are behaving themselves.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:19 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That people in an American prison in 2014 get holiday meals does not mean that your precious Witch Hitler would get anything but her head cut off in Medieval Europe.


as I said, the scenario takes place in a kinder, nicer world

So what was done in one American prison in 2014 is irrelevant.


The Free Joy State wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That people in an American prison in 2014 get holiday meals does not mean that your precious Witch Hitler would get anything but her head cut off in Medieval Europe.

Not necessarily. If she were accused of witchcraft in real Medieval Europe, there are many way they could have killed her.

I believe burning at the stake was also used.

She was Queen of Norway(during a period when Norway didn't have its own royals, but never mind that), so I imagine that'd get her a relatively dignified execution. Maybe not, though.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:26 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That people in an American prison in 2014 get holiday meals does not mean that your precious Witch Hitler would get anything but her head cut off in Medieval Europe.

Not necessarily. If she were accused of witchcraft in real Medieval Europe, there are many way they could have killed her.

I believe burning at the stake was also used.


How do we know that she is a witch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Not necessarily. If she were accused of witchcraft in real Medieval Europe, there are many way they could have killed her.

I believe burning at the stake was also used.

She was Queen of Norway(during a period when Norway didn't have its own royals, but never mind that), so I imagine that'd get her a relatively dignified execution. Maybe not, though.

Could be a Gaddafi style of execution, where she is arrested but ends up dead before she even arrives at a cell, due to the various forms of abuse that she is subjected to en route.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:51 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
She was Queen of Norway(during a period when Norway didn't have its own royals, but never mind that), so I imagine that'd get her a relatively dignified execution. Maybe not, though.

Could be a Gaddafi style of execution, where she is arrested but ends up dead before she even arrives at a cell, due to the various forms of abuse that she is subjected to en route.

The carriage we were transporting her in fell off a cliff and onto some swords.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Could be a Gaddafi style of execution, where she is arrested but ends up dead before she even arrives at a cell, due to the various forms of abuse that she is subjected to en route.

The carriage we were transporting her in fell off a cliff and onto some swords.

And a wagon of boiling pitch that was coincidentally following the cart just happened to tumble down the cliff afterwards.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:49 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That people in an American prison in 2014 get holiday meals does not mean that your precious Witch Hitler would get anything but her head cut off in Medieval Europe.


as I said, the scenario takes place in a kinder, nicer world

It's a world where people are locked in tiny glass boxes and not given even the basics of human needs for no other reason it seems then torture. And you feel that because you want to give the genocidal monster you are torturing some crappy dinner at Christmas that makes it a kind world?

The New California Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The carriage we were transporting her in fell off a cliff and onto some swords.

And a wagon of boiling pitch that was coincidentally following the cart just happened to tumble down the cliff afterwards.

Oh what a terrible accident. I feel so *checks paper* sad that our prisoner meet such an awful, and totally accidental, fate.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:29 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
as I said, the scenario takes place in a kinder, nicer world

It's a world where people are locked in tiny glass boxes and not given even the basics of human needs for no other reason it seems then torture. And you feel that because you want to give the genocidal monster you are torturing some crappy dinner at Christmas that makes it a kind world?

The New California Republic wrote:And a wagon of boiling pitch that was coincidentally following the cart just happened to tumble down the cliff afterwards.

Oh what a terrible accident. I feel so *checks paper* sad that our prisoner meet such an awful, and totally accidental, fate.

That’s not believable enough. You have to be devastated.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:43 am

Kowani wrote:
Heloin wrote:It's a world where people are locked in tiny glass boxes and not given even the basics of human needs for no other reason it seems then torture. And you feel that because you want to give the genocidal monster you are torturing some crappy dinner at Christmas that makes it a kind world?


Oh what a terrible accident. I feel so *checks paper* sad that our prisoner meet such an awful, and totally accidental, fate.

That’s not believable enough. You have to be devastated.

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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:45 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That people in an American prison in 2014 get holiday meals does not mean that your precious Witch Hitler would get anything but her head cut off in Medieval Europe.


as I said, the scenario takes place in a kinder, nicer world

Evidently not if a genocide just happened
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:47 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Not necessarily. If she were accused of witchcraft in real Medieval Europe, there are many way they could have killed her.

I believe burning at the stake was also used.


How do we know that she is a witch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g


The reason they know is because during her childhood she accidentally used her magic in front of other people (when she wasn't completely in control). Since then, she has been oppressed and abused by the high borns around her, even those closest to her.

For a while, she was a member of the Order and thus was officially registered as a magic user.

Later on, she declared herself the Witch Queen and started to use magic to kill others.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:49 pm

ECKU wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
as I said, the scenario takes place in a kinder, nicer world

Evidently not if a genocide just happened


Christmas and holidays have sacred status.

And the death penalty has been disavowed in this timeline, at least by the Order of Magic.

Other aspects may be worse.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:50 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ECKU wrote:Evidently not if a genocide just happened


Christmas and holidays have sacred status.

And the death penalty has been disavowed in this timeline, at least by the Order of Magic. Morons.

Other aspects may be worse.

FTFY.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:51 pm

If Annie had been handed over to the human kingdoms instead, they likely would have burned her at the stake or in some other way, made a huge spectacle of the execution.

However, the Order has jurisdiction to deal with their own kind.

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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:If Annie had been handed over to the human kingdoms instead, they likely would have burned her at the stake or in some other way, made a huge spectacle of the execution.

However, the Order has jurisdiction to deal with their own kind.

Yeah, they're stupid
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:54 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:If Annie had been handed over to the human kingdoms instead, they likely would have burned her at the stake or in some other way, made a huge spectacle of the execution.

Good
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:54 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Christmas and holidays have sacred status.

And the death penalty has been disavowed in this timeline, at least by the Order of Magic. Morons.

Other aspects may be worse.

FTFY.


The best way to understand the Order of Magic is that its a medieval equivalent of the X-Men led by Charles Xavier.

Very liberal in its punishment of criminals, in many ways "ahead" of its time, highly academic, believes in co-existence between those with powers and those without even in the face of hostility and persecution etc; think about the young Charles Xavier (those are the types of people leading it)

Then it all starts to make sense

Can you imagine Charles ordering that mutants they defeat get executed? Absolutely not.

This is why Annie was spared.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:54 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:If Annie had been handed over to the human kingdoms instead, they likely would have burned her at the stake or in some other way, made a huge spectacle of the execution.

However, the Order has jurisdiction to deal with their own kind.

You’d have seen Riots in the streets of every city.

Imagine if we had captured Hitler, and instead of killing him, gave him life imprisonment. You’d have a revolution on your hands in 2 minutes.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:55 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:If Annie had been handed over to the human kingdoms instead, they likely would have burned her at the stake or in some other way, made a huge spectacle of the execution.

However, the Order has jurisdiction to deal with their own kind.

You’d have seen Riots in the streets of every city.

Imagine if we had captured Hitler, and instead of killing him, gave him life imprisonment. You’d have a revolution on your hands in 2 minutes.


Honestly, I doubt it

There's no precedent for killing him and international law wasn't really a thing until they decided to make it a thing with Nuremberg

When WWI ended the German leaders weren't executed

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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:If Annie had been handed over to the human kingdoms instead, they likely would have burned her at the stake or in some other way, made a huge spectacle of the execution.

Sounds fine and dandy.

However, the Order has jurisdiction to deal with their own kind.

They shouldn't. Just sounds like more reasons for the pile of reasons why why should kill the Order of Morons.

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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:56 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:FTFY.


The best way to understand the Order of Magic is that its a medieval equivalent of the X-Men led by Charles Xavier.

Very liberal in its punishment of criminals, in many ways "ahead" of its time, highly academic, believes in co-existence between those with powers and those without even in the face of hostility and persecution etc; think about the young Charles Xavier (those are the types of people leading it)

Then it all starts to make sense

Can you imagine Charles ordering that mutants they defeat get executed? Absolutely not.

This is why Annie was spared.

The glaring differences between genocide and Witch Hitler is go great idk why you even made that comparison.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:56 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:You’d have seen Riots in the streets of every city.

Imagine if we had captured Hitler, and instead of killing him, gave him life imprisonment. You’d have a revolution on your hands in 2 minutes.


Honestly, I doubt it

There's no precedent for killing him and international law wasn't really a thing until they decided to make it a thing with Nuremberg

When WWI ended the German leaders weren't executed

During WW1, Germany wasn't trying to genocide most of the world.

Not to mention, the Soviets.
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